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Topic: Bishop Noel Jones

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Most admires:Mother Teresa,  Pope John Paul II,  Kylie Minogue
Good point(s):Generous,  Saintly
Bad point(s):Boastful
Personality:Devout,  Rebellious
Dream job(s):Priest
Religion(s):Christian - Evangelical,  Christian - Protestant,  Jewish
Favorite book(s):The Bible
Favorite religious figure(s):Martin Luther,  Malcolm X,  Jesus Christ
Ultimate fantasy(s):Having more friends
Membership(s):World Vision
Favorite quote(s):"Well-timed silence hath more eloquence than speech." - Martin Fraquhar Tupper
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Bishop Noel Jones will not only minister on Friday night, but will minister at a special singles' breakfast on Saturday morning.
 
 
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Comments from our users:
From:
jaunita bynum
2004-11-30 16:20:45
what her b-day?
From:

2004-12-28 05:05:45
why do bishops wear crosses in thir pocket?
From:
Michelle
2005-01-03 22:09:41
Juanita Bynum's birthday is in January
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Evelyn
2005-02-11 15:41:11
Why did Bishop Noel Jones and his wife divorce? What information do you have on her?
From:
Neata
2005-02-26 17:49:52
when and where was Bishop Noel Jones born and is the twin to Grace Jones
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rochelle robinson
2005-03-02 09:46:40
why do people in this world act like they do not care about sinning why do they think god do not care and continue to sin. how do you no if god wants to use you
From:
tj
2005-03-27 02:43:38
IS BISHOP NOEL JONES MARRIED
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Kal
2005-03-31 19:38:38
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Kal Schrouder
2005-03-31 19:46:29
What is your middle name
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Kyron Schrouder
2005-04-03 11:04:23
Do you want to marry my mother?
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Ephraim leal
2005-04-20 16:09:11
why do you admire the pope? aren't you a true apostolic, bible believing christian, that knows that the catholic church is nothing but lies and deceit?
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Mrs. Noel Jones
2005-04-23 18:45:12
Stop worrying about my husband. He is faithfully taken and no him and Grace are not twins. God Bless You.
From:
CW
2005-05-04 17:06:16
IS BISHOP NOEL JONES MARRIED, if so then why is he apparently always alone and why does he reference himself as being unmarried?
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JRM
2005-05-06 10:40:54
I need help on submitting to peolpe in charge. I feel I bascially know what I'm to do on my job but I have a hard time excepting redundent instructions
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The real Mrs. Noel Jones
2005-05-16 20:13:23
Noel is not married. I divorced him because of his hectic schedule. I am just like any other wife. I wanted some attention.
From:
Bee
2005-05-16 21:36:54
To the Real ex-Mrs. Jones, That is a lame reason to divorse someone. Evidently you must have hurt the man a great deal, he seems to not want to marry anyone, anytime, soon. Also, did he ever date Juanita B. The real Queen Bee
From:
Future Mrs. Noel Jones
2005-05-17 15:23:13
Noel has gone on with life. He has waited for God to place the RIGHT woman in his life and that woman is MOI. Sure he went through some things with his ex but his faith in God has seen him through.
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CWilliams
2005-05-18 14:47:34
I know Bishop isn't married as of yet but are you looking to be married soon if so then your mate has arrived and awaiting you upon your request from the Lord. I have prayed and I am certain this union is meant to be. Look to see you soon. With much love from above.
From:
CWilliams
2005-05-18 15:14:36
I am certain Bishop is not married and I know that he has prayed for his mate I am just writing to make him aware that his missing rib, the beneath his wing, his sole mate, his lover, and his friend has arrived and awaiting him and also awaiting the ok from the Lord. I have prayed and I am certain this union is truly meant to be in God’s timing. Therefore, I sit patiently while God perfectly orchestrates our meeting because God does everything decently and in order. Looking to see Bishop soon. With much love from above.
From:
CWilliams
2005-05-18 15:17:39
I am certain Bishop is not married and I know that he has prayed for his mate I am just writing to make him aware that his missing rib, the wind beneath his wing, his sole mate, his lover, and his friend has arrived and awaiting him and also awaiting the ok from the Lord. I have prayed and I am certain this union is truly meant to be in God’s timing. Therefore, I sit patiently while God perfectly orchestrates our meeting because God does everything decently and in order. Looking to see Bishop soon. With much love from above.
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Get Real
2005-05-18 17:20:17
Do you actually think Bishop Noel Jones is going to read these messages on this website. I am positive God makes better use of his time. Do you know how many other ladies are saying the same thing...that they believe God is orchestrating their meeting and they are truly the one for Bishop Jones. I have had the pleasure and honor of meeting Bishop Jones and he said it was his honor in meeting me and God did orchestrate our meeting. I also know that God gives me the choice to make if I would like for Bishop Jones to be my husband. That choice would be made after I get to know Bishop Jones for real.
From:
As Real As It Get
2005-05-18 17:33:34
With that being said... You are correct there are millions of women other ladies are saying the same thing...that they believe God is orchestrating their meeting and they are truly the one for Bishop Jones but even with that you are you to say what God does or does not have time for he has time for you correct then understand you nor I do not know mind of God. Now sit back and watch just how God will orchestrate his planning and then say what he does or does not have time for.
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Get Real
2005-05-18 22:59:34
To As Real As It Get, You totally misunderstood what I was saying. When I said I am positive God makes better use of his time. I meant God makes better use of Bishop Jones' time. Meaning, Bishop Jones probably does NOT read these messages on this website. I do have a personal relationship with God and do know HIS word. Now as far as me sitting back and watching God orchestrate HIS planning, I see God's planning everyday.
From:
GOD\'S ANOINTED
2005-05-27 17:38:58
BISHOP I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I WAS TRULY FROM THE MESSAGE YOU PREACHED AT THE CALAHAN HALL IN DETROIT MI ON 5-27-05
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DOESN\'T MATTER
2005-05-27 20:06:08
ALWAYS PUT GOD FIRST IN YOUR LIFE. MEN COME AND GO BUT GOD WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU AND GOD WILL PUT SOMEONE IN YOUR LIFE THAT LOVES YOU JUST THE WAY HE (GOD) DOES. WOMAN DON'T MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF, LOVE GOD AND HE WILL SEND SOMEONE STRAIGHT TO YOU (WHILE YOU'RE PRAISING HIM AND GIVING HIM ALL GLORY!)
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Get Real
2005-05-28 22:59:43
Amen to the comments from DOESN\'T MATTER
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BigShelly52@yahoo.com
2005-05-29 16:48:15
Bishop Jones - I am searching and asking for your help in conquering a bad habit. I have prayed about the situation and promised God, my family and myself to never indulge in this self destructive activity again--it is not drugs or alcohol, but very compulsive self destructive behavior. Please suggest Biblical readings that could help me stop yielding to temptation. B. Wms. is my best friend in L.A. and trust you without hesitation, and so do I.
From:
Just Wondering
2005-05-29 22:24:18
How is this website to be used? Are the questions directed to Bishop Jones with an expected answer directly from him?
From:
Robert W Jones
2005-05-31 20:31:49
I'm a baptized believer in the Apostolic faith, and I have been waiting upon God to bless me for what seems like a long time. Every since February of 1994. I live in a city that God has called the witchcraft capitol of the earth. God has made great promises unto me, and I know that I need a lot of encouragment in my waiting. I don't have a church home or family,nore anyone to fellowship with. I truly miss being with the true saints of God.I've gone through a lot since I've been here. I know my Lord speaks to me nearly every day.The way I feel now is that I just had to share this with some- one. Earlier today the Lord spoke to me about Liberation,and I truly hope that it comes soon. Maybe because I'm not a very good waiter,all this has come upon me.I know it's not by choice,but I truely miss being with the saints of God.
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Curious
2005-06-02 11:05:51
To Robert W Jones, What is your mission there in the Witchcraft capitol city? When God gives you a vision, he also gives provision. Have you asked God to lead you to a church or someone there that you can fellowship with? Maybe you are to witness to someone(s) there who will except Christ in their life and then you can fellowship together. Liberation can be in Spirit, Mind or Body. It can happen all at once or in stages. What do you mean by baptized believer?
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kimi
2005-06-08 13:27:55
did you get merried in 10-04
From:

2005-06-08 13:30:17
did you you get merried to to D. MCItosh in december of 04
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Virginia
2005-06-11 22:47:56
Lord, I pray that you would divinely place on Bishop Noel Jones heart that I am his wife. Please!!! In Jesus name I pray. Amen.
From:
Mo_Luv_4_Ya
2005-06-21 20:12:40
Oh WOW! All I can say is WOW! Some of these comments are utterly amazing and quite disturbing. How sad! This man is attempting to do what God has called him to do, and the last thing he (or any or need) is the enemy using someone to sow confusion and discord. If this is indicative of the "choices" he has (which I doubt) I pray he remains single. Not trying to be mean, but God couldn't trust you with his son. Oh my goodness....Just shocking...
From:
Your Sister In the Lord
2005-06-30 00:56:35
Hum. Someone told me about this site and I didn't believe what I was told! Oh, my God! This is so sad and shallow. If the only thing that you can do is to believe God for a man (Bishop Noel Jones) well, that's pretty low thinking. This world is going to hell in and handbasket. All the souls that are lost and people who need to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ that you could be sharing with. All of the youth and children who need direction in their life that you could be helping to make a difference in their lives. Surely, God has some bigger plans for your lives than Bishop Noel Jones. He just may be your worst nightmare. This isn't to down or slight the man, but you don't have the slightest idea of what he's like ouside of the pulpit. You are seeing him in the light of his profession. Pastors and preachers struggle just like anyone else, As a matter of fact, I believe even worse. I've never been a pastor's wife, but I am a pastor's daughter and underneath the glitter, lights, money and platform, it's not pretty at all. Now, I understand why the man walks around with security. Lord, I pray for the hearts and minds of these persons who are interested in this man. I pray that that their WHOLE focus will be on you and how to please and serve you better. Lord, I pray for the Bishop Jones that he will keep his focus on you and what you have called him to do. In the name of Jesus Amen! I love you all my sisters - or my brothers, but let's get our focus together and lives in order!
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Felicia /MI(detroit)felicia05@comcsat.ne
2005-06-30 15:10:11
when i came across this web site i was so excited and could not wait to explore it,but i was so embarrsed to hear all the negativity on this web site about the bishop,i am very imprseesd with him as a man and as a man of god and would give him my upmost respect.so lets turn this back into a chritian -like web site ok! god bless you!!!!
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FELICIA (DETROIT)
2005-06-30 15:20:16
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE NAME OF YHE BISHOPS CHURCH AND WHERE IS IT LOCATED.
From:

2005-06-30 23:06:57
His church is located in California and is named City of Refuge. Check out Noeljonesministries.com
From:
Alfred
2005-07-11 23:26:04
Bishop N. Jones is a sanctified and anointed man of God.It is not unbiblical to be a eunuch for the sake of the gospel(Matt.19:12)That may be God's will for his life. Get married to his messages and not the messenger.
From:
Tonya
2005-07-13 11:17:04
I just want to take this moment , to thank god for giving Bishop Jones wisdom to share with the world , and the know how too use his time to meditate in the lord for all his goodness , thank you
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prophet
2005-07-18 06:37:30
god bless you bishop
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ANGEL
2005-08-19 21:00:25
WELL, "FOR A FACT", IF ALL YOUR ALLEGATIONS REGARDING BISHOP JONES ARE INDEED TRUE, THEN WHY DON'T YOU WAIT AND LET GOD EXPOSE HIM!!!!! HE USUALLY DOES A BETTER JOB AT IT THAN WE COULD EVER DO!!!!! THE BISHOP IS STILL A MAN CARRYING GOD'S WORD AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS HIGHLY FAVORED BY GOD SO WE SHOULDN'T TRY TO EXPOSE OR CRITIZE ANYBODY. REMEMBER THE SCRIPTURE TOUCH NOT MINE ANOINTED AND DO MY PROPHETS NO HARM. PS 105:15. WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS NEAR AND DEAR TO THE HEART OF GOD, AND GOD WILL FIGHT FOR THEM. I'M SURE YOU GOT SOME STUFF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE UNCOVERED TOO!!!! IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO EXPOSE ANYONE!!! ITS A PITY AND A SHAME THAT GANGSTA RAPPERS COVER FOR AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER BETTER THAN SOME OF YOU SO CALLED SAINTS AND PEOPLE OF GOD!!!!!
From:
perplexedinnewjersey
2005-08-20 12:15:47
WOW!!! I find it quite disturbing to find that we can be so close to the anointing of God, the Word of God, the Presence of God, and yet be soooo deceived! I am asking God to make me a lover of truth so that I will not believe a lie! Remember, when all is said and done, only truth will prevail. Be alover of TRUTH, and you will never fall prey to the father of lies!
From:

2005-08-20 21:09:58
TEST
From:
the word
2005-08-21 16:45:31
BRETHREN, IF A MAN BE OVERTAKEN IN A FAULT, YE WHICH ARE SPIRITUAL, RESTORE SUCH A ONE IN THE SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS; CONSIDERING THYSELF, LEST THOU ALSO BE TEMPTED. GALATIANS 6:1 COULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I CAN FIND IN THE WORD, WHEN A MAN MAYBE HAS A PROBLEM, WE SHOULD GO ON LINE AND TRY TO DESTROY HIS MINISTRY AND DEFAME HIS CHARACTER????? DOES THE WORD SAY THAT???? CAUSE THE SAME WORD Y'ALL JUDGING BISHOP JONES BY APPLIES TO ALL OF US!!!!! YE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!!! JOHN 8:7 Y'ALL JUST SOME HATERS!!!! WHY DON'T YOU PRAY FOR YALL MINISTRY AND MAYBE IT WILL BECOME WORLD WIDE. STOP HATING ON THAT MAN!!!! YOU PROBABLY GO TO WORK EVERY DAY ON YOUR JOB OR BUSINESS AND AIN'T NOBODY TRYING TO STOP WHAT YOU DO!!!! SO WHAT IS THE DEAL???? YOU WOULD BE MAD IF SOMEONE WAGED A CAMPAIGN FOR YOU TO LOSE YOUR POSITION OR INCOME AND YOU AIN'T ALL THAT EITHER!!!
From:
unperplexedinnewjersey
2005-08-22 13:41:25
The word of God states that we should not receive an accusation against an elder. I believe it also says that there needs to be two or three witnesses to every accusation. If we stick to the word of God, we won't ever have to worry about falling into the condemnation of the devil. Be very careful about who you put your mouth to. God knows them that serve Him, and those that do not. And if we trust Him like we say we do, then we know for a fact that there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed. And when God reveals things, NOBODY has to get in trouble!!!
From:
Haters
2005-08-24 23:32:59
Sounds like a few haters to me or disgruntled member of his church which is terrible. Sounds like someone wanted the position of Pastor that Pastor Joseph Robinson now holds. As far as his church have quite a few sissies, all churches have them expecially megachurches because they have more members. Some of the language that some of the people use on here is unbelievable for Christians. Whatever happen between Bishop Jones and his exwife is between them and God. I find it hard to believe that his exwife would speak derogotorry about her children's father. Let's stop hating!!!
From:
chris..los angeles
2005-08-25 19:30:50
I believe what Bishop jones is Is a Single Man who's waiting on God for his RIGHTFUL MATE.. AND just because he's not hitting on every woman in his Church ang when he travels some perhaps HOMO who wants him has spreaded ... rumors I go to his Church and he his a kind and thoughtful pastor... I BELIEVE GOD WILL SEND HIM A FEMALE MADE AND HE WILL BE HAPPY,,, UNTIL THEN Y'ALL NEED TO GET A LIFE
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Lady Soldier, Atlanta Georgia
2005-08-26 21:21:32
In the name of Jesus, I use the Sword, which is the Word of God and I destroy the spirit of defamation of character, the spirit of condemnation, the accuser of the bretheren. Let lying lips be put to silence and every tongue or finger that rises up against Bishop Noel Jones, I condemn! In the Name of Jesus, the Son of God, I bind the strong man satan! No Weapon formed against Bishop Noel Jones shall prosper! I pray that these rumors will go no further and stop dead in its tracks and that it cause NO damage to Bishop Noel Jones, his relationships, his family OR his businesses, his ministries, congregation and church I decree and loose healing, MORE prosperity, good success, a GREAT name, a BIGGER ministry and the God ordained mate for Bishop so that these crazy rumors, lies, lusty women/men and confusion will stop! IN JESUS NAME! AMEN!
From:

2005-08-26 21:44:40
Amen.
From:
It\'s Amazing
2005-08-27 00:42:49
It's truly amazing to see how we as people are so involved with other people lives because we don't have lives of our own. We need to put our focus on God and ourselves as children of God so that HE can teach us to be who HE wants us to be and who HE wants us to be with. Let us pray for one another. If we pray, then we will have no need to be jealous. Even if we are enemies, we are still expected to pray and LOVE, not hate.
From:

2005-08-28 14:35:45
What is it about this man, this mere mortal, that generates so much speculation?
From:

2005-08-31 02:54:22
Yep!
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Greg from Texas
2005-09-08 17:53:45
Why is this site nescessary ? Bishop Jones is a man God- With Grace and Style. I don't believe for one moment any of these rumors. Please Men and Women stop wasting your time trying to slander his name , I'm sure God must not be pleased. For everything God made a mate and that includes Bishop Jones ,Iheard him say once if a lady has a lot going for her and you live in your mama's basement .thenshe probadly doesn't want you and you should move on. I think on , I think God will send Bishop a confident ,smart woman and one who can deal with all this nonsense thatis throwed his way, wimps need not apply nor Hoochie Church sister , you are not first lady material . He is probadly in a private relationship now and will marry ,soon and then people Men and women will allow them to live their lives in Peace and stop this madness. Pray for the Bishop stop trying to tear him down and be happy that he's trying to teach people the right way, Y'all should be ashamed
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AAA CHRISTIAN Please get rid of this sit
2005-09-12 15:09:17
GET RID OF THIS SITE WHO EVER YOU ARE
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Stephanie
2005-09-18 22:36:59
This man the Honorable Bishop Noel Jones is just that, HONORABLE! He has saved and touched some many lives. All you negative speakers and haters of this VERY BLESS MAN OF GOD PLEASE GET SOME GOD IN YOUR LIFE IMMEDIATELY. If there is a problem in this man's life GOD is the only judge and jury. Trust me HIS someone special sent by and of GOD is on the way.
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Stephanie
2005-09-18 22:38:22
This man the Honorable Bishop Noel Jones is just that, HONORABLE! He has saved and touched some many lives. All you negative speakers and haters of this VERY BLESS MAN OF GOD PLEASE GET SOME GOD IN YOUR LIFE IMMEDIATELY. If there is a problem in this man's life GOD is the only judge and jury. Trust me HIS someone special sent by and of GOD is on the way. And His Birthday is May 19, 1948
From:

2005-09-18 22:49:10
That's the wrong birthday.
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stephanie
2005-09-18 23:00:43
Since that is the wrong birth date, then when is his birthday?
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stephanie
2005-09-19 00:02:51
I loved seeing you at Bishop Searight's church in New Burnwick,I was the lady in PINK, and then again at the Night of Healing. And I will see you again in my birthday month, November at Bishop Hilliard's church. My spirit told me you do read this site now and then, the messages you care to respond to, and your comments are very brief, 1 to 4 words. RSVP one day for dinner a French Restaurant would be nice. smile!
From:
........
2005-09-19 01:44:13
You pretend to know so much about him, you should know his actual birthday. Do better research.
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stephanie
2005-09-19 18:24:49
Thank you, and I detect alittle sarcasm from you which isn't necessary! And I am not pretending to know him (NOT YET) I just go to a lot of places where he is preaching when he's in my area or when I am in his area Calif., I go to his chuch. I would never pretend anything, pretending isn't benefical to me or anyone else for that matter. But I do make it my business to see him when I can, due to the fact that he brings about change in a person's life. His sermons are the type that will make you go Hummmmm. But most importantly as long as I live I will always continue to grow spiritually, mentally and emotionally and because he does all those things for me, and more, I am THERE! And maybe his brithday is in correct, but if you know share but it doesn't seem as if you know his actual birthday either. However, if he could find the time to write his autobiography which would be a best seller, and he would probably win the Puliter Prise, then I would not have to do any research. Miracles,and Blessings to you 2005-09-01:44:13
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...................
2005-09-19 20:41:14
Stephanie, his birthday is January 31st. I hope you get a chance to meet him one day.
From:

2005-09-20 16:16:33
Leave him alone
From:
DENA
2005-09-20 16:21:34
At the bottom of the page there's a place for feedback and contact us. will you join me in writing letters to get this site taken off.
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...............................
2005-09-20 21:29:00
Bishop Jones is a public person. When you are in the public eye you have to take the good with the bad. He is strong enough to handle the nonsense on this site. We still have the first amendment in this country.
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...............................
2005-09-21 11:27:48
lol...Who's bitter? You sound very bitter and angry to me. Get a life!
From:
Stephanie
2005-09-21 15:08:56
Special Thanks to the person that gave me Bishop Jones correct birthday, that was really nice of you. God bless
From:
...............................
2005-09-21 17:47:16
You are welcome.
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Alexander
2005-09-21 19:29:58
are you the same one who was after Rev. Clifton Davis ?
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frank.los angeles
2005-09-21 19:40:39
To Know for a Fact. Rev. Joe Robinson is has been married and has a child ,I'm not sure if he's divorced yet.. Bishop Jones did not pick him , the new Pastor ,GOD picked him the same GOD that is going to pick his wife. he will know. This man has done so much good in the lives of prople ALL around the World . Why don't you go after. Juanita Bynum ,who only cares now if her clothes are coordinated correctly , I remember when she only had one skirt. someone just mentioned Rev, Clifon Davis now that's a conversation piece he and Rev.Leon Isaac Kennedy. A better Idea is let's just prayer for them ALL,you think because T.D. JAKES Is ugly he doesn't do wrong ?
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Stephanie
2005-09-21 20:36:55
To: 2005-09-21 17:47:16 Again, I thank you so much for the correct brithday of the Bishop. But most importantly it meant so much to me when you said that you hope I will get the chance to meet him. And I have another question for you that you might know. Why does the Bishop's itinerary end so early in November is that when he takes his 2 weeks vacation? Now this was weird, when I read, you are welcome, for some reason a peaceful warm feeling traveled through my body, that put a big smile on my face, as if I new who was responding to me.
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Stephanie
2005-09-21 20:46:43
just curious is Noel Jones favorite color blue?
From:
...............................
2005-09-21 21:41:23
He says it's black. At least for clothes. He likes to wear black. By the way Stephanie, I am not Bishop Jones. Don't let your imagination get carried away (smile).
From:
...............................
2005-09-21 22:19:01
Stephanie, I am the same person who told you several posts ago to do better research. That was harsh. I am sorry. That's why I gave you the correct birthday. I can't answer your question about his itinerary. I don't know.
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gloria.new york
2005-09-22 11:21:33
Thanks ministers wife ,Stephanie is nuts.. I'm noel jones wife to be
From:
...............................
2005-09-22 12:17:59
Minister's wife, please note the post from Gloria, New York ("pot calling the kettle black"). If Stephanie needs a shrink, so do most of the women posting on this site. At least Stephanie isn't claiming to be Bishop Jones' future wife. Stepanie sounds more like an ardent admirer. Seriously Stephanie, you should try to meet him. He will be kind to you and you will see that he is just a mere mortal man.
From:
...............................
2005-09-22 12:48:42
Hmmm..Another angry person.
From:
stephanie
2005-09-22 22:15:50
Thank you Minister's Wife for coming to my defense. TO ALL OTHERS: I never said I wanted to MARRY him I am just curious about the man, and this just happen to be the web sight were people talk about him. Him or any other Godly Preacher male or female that played a part in helping me turn my life around. Such as: Bishop Jakes, Paula White, Darlene Bishop, Bishop Searight,Jaunita Bymum Weeks, (No MORE SHEETS), Rev. Keith Bryant, Bishop Hillard, Bishop Long, Rev. Christain Love Bishop I.V. Hillard, and that's just naming a few including my pastor which is name about. I have mat some of them, so why wouldn't I want to also meet Bishop Jones? Stop trying to make something out of nothing. But I will tell you this through the teaching I have received, my faith and my Godly walk, In Jesus Name, blesses has been flooding my life. So call me crazy or nuts If spiritually loving a person or people of God makes me crazy, Then I will stay crazy because I love, and I am enjoying were it is taking me. Thanks, for caring!
From:
Stephanie
2005-09-22 22:24:15
Sorry, Correction Thank you 2005-09-22-12:1759 for Defending me. And Minister's Wife I doubt, they are Godly, Loving, Caring, and they are turely 1st Ladies. Your words shows you are not.
From:
big o sissy in losangeles
2005-09-22 22:48:43
Stephanie, girlfriend if you like the man so what, but you is tripping when you say what you say about all first ladie. and prophtess juanita bynum needs to aply her no more sheets to her own crazy life,before Weeks, at her wedding and now.what you see is nt what you get
From:
stephanie
2005-09-22 23:39:58
To Big O Sissy in Los Angeles: You go boy, and I can understand how you may feel. But for me I look at the message being presented, I don't look at the messenger, nor do I look at the idle gossip centered around them. All I know is that I took her message and I ran with it, and for now it's working for me. I don't know what tomorrow may bring for me but right now, just for today, I am living by faith, and the journey is sweet.
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Big O Sissy in LA
2005-09-23 08:32:21
Thanks Soul Writer .I guess why people talk about him so much because he's doing so many good things for people .I hope GOD SENDS HIM A SMART WIFE ,SOON .He really did will God's help change my life. let's all just pray for him
From:
Big O Sissy in Los angeles
2005-09-23 11:44:17
To Spelling / Grammar Police- O no you didin- Iam a Registered Nurse Okay? Not a Spelling BEE - just get word child and stop all the 'see how smart I'm B.S. It aint that kind of Party , Okay ? You is not the Teacher and this ain't Romper Room okay? so we just dish and you put the comma's and periods where ever you need to , and if it ain't holy enough off in here for you .I do believe The Pope has a site - See Ya!!!
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SOUL WRITER
2005-09-23 12:42:02
================== FROM: SOUL WRITER Ooops!! I unintentionally left the letter "h" out of the word "has" in the last section of my writing. Hopefully this did not cause anyone to lose the key points. The ability to communicate with people requires one to not sweat the small stuff. HAVE A BLESSED DAY!! SOUL WRITER
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2005-09-23 13:13:10
Chill Soul Writer ,If you had not pointed it out no would have noticed- Now who's Sweating???
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######
2005-09-23 20:15:49
Will Bishop Jones lose his appeal and celebrity status/following once he remarrys?
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2005-09-23 21:11:19
#####, the answer to your questions is YES! Just about half of his church will leave because they are there for the wrong reason. Ask any pastor who has been single for any legnth of time. When Bishop Eddie Long announced that he was engaged and getting married, WOMEN got up and walked out of the church. People left and said that they just wasn't feeling him anymore. Not to mention all of the other crazy things that happened up to the wedding day and the day of the weddy day. Once Bishop Noel Jones gets married the flavor of his whole congregation will change. I'm quite sure he's aware of this considering that he was once married before. Who knows, maybe he will never marry. It wouldn't surprise me if he remarries his exwife. LOL!
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######
2005-09-23 22:03:58
Wow! Women actually got up and left the service when Bishop long made the annoucement? His congregation seems to be thriving now, so I guess getting married really didn't hurt his ministry.
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BIG O SISSY IN LA
2005-09-23 22:12:09
TO ###### let me say it again, Bishop jones ministries saved my life. I don't believe he will ose his overall appeal. I belief that his appeal will shift, tp a more elevated group. I believe that if he waits and God truly answers his prayers his mate will be equally appealing and they will appeal to people as a Christian couple, as fr his celebrity hood he needs someone who understands what that means who fit in arena's out the Christian Arena . I believe that God has heard this man of God's cries for his mate and don't be surprise if he meets his match also in her , he needs a special woman and God knows where she is they will together build a bigger Church with the right kind of members I think she will be perfect for him and Haters will just slip away
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Mother Shepard
2005-09-24 00:06:19
His Ministry will be Blessed because of his marriage,It will be a testimony that .they that wait upon the lord.
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GREG
2005-09-24 00:10:23
Pastor Jamal Bryant is married it hasn't stopped him ,his wife is pretty but seems to be missing something spirtually.. God Bless THE Bishop JONES AND THE FUTURE BISHOP'S WIFE
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Alphonse
2005-09-24 00:14:42
His blessing is near. he does not sleep around and when he marries the right women she will refuel him bed and he will be not only more appealing but satisfied,you know what I mean. his marriage will not hurt him it will help him
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...............................
2005-09-24 00:24:51
I don't think he really wants to be married. With all the women he has access to, if he wanted a wife, he would have one.
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######
2005-09-24 01:18:02
He doesn't seem to really want to be married. With all the women available to him on the planet, he'd have a wife if he wanted one.
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SOUL WRITER
2005-09-24 02:25:45
=============== Of course, Bishop Noel Jones and his ministry have touched the lives of so many people throughout the U.S. as well as overseas. Among other others including, Bishop T.D. Jakes and Bishop Eddie Long. These are truly strong soldiers in God’s army that are often on the front lines and vulnerable to attacks and persecution. It’s simply a part of the deal when one knows and obeys his commanding officer which is God. Now, about the ongoing discussion concerning Bishop Noel Jones marital status, and how events developed when others in similar positions sought and found a wife. I have to say it is very unfortunate that some people would decide to merely congregate just to be near a single pastor, while missing out on the true fellowship and worship experience with God. Think about it!! And if people leave a church simply because a pastor marries a woman, I say out with the haters and perpetrators and in with the true celebrators and congratulators. In essence, people tend to expose themselves. In my opinion, Bishop Noel Jones popularity is not determined by what pop culture dictates as true success or celebrity status. He has been elevated to a higher status by God in order to glorify God. Although it appears to be a great deal of mystery as to why he has not remarried yet, could it be he has submitted to God’s divine plan, destiny and timing? In the natural he can make a selection on his own without God’s stamp of approval, but Father knows best for us all. Finally, Christian singles that are truly submitted to God cannot fall prey to the negativity of desperation. Children of such a royal priesthood are confident in the Lord. And waiting on God for His best in every area of our lives is a process. THE BIBLE SAYS, “Who can find a virtuous woman? For her price is far above rubies.” (Proverbs 31:10). “Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?” (Proverbs 20:6) SOUL WRITER ==============
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wisdom
2005-09-24 06:50:06
I agree with soul writer. When the call of God is on your life, you can't just join your life to anybody. When you are anointed by God and have a certain mission, no matter how many women/men are available, you just can't choose one like you are shopping for a new suit. You know if you keep your receipt you can take the suit back......Who you join your life to can put you in or take you out of the Will of God!!! It can change your destiny!!!! If you don't wait and let God direct your choice, and you make the wrong choice, it will most definitely negatively impact your ministry, because you will spend a lot of your time trying to get your personal life in order and not focusing on God's mission for you. When you have purpose, (as all born again believers do), you cannot take the risk of yoking up with someone that will hinder your purpose!!!! If they don't understand the plan of God for your life, or His anointing on your life, they will hinder the move of God!!! Thats why when some of us marry the wrong person, and then we wake up, after we awake, we awake with new vision, new power, new strength and can move on to our real purpose!!!!!! When you are anointed for a special mission you really have to wait for the counsel of God in this area. You just can't get out there and just do what you want, really its bigger than you!!!
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BIG O SISSY IN LA
2005-09-24 10:39:25
SPELLING/ GRAMMAR POLICE EXCUSE MY MISTAKES CHILD, REMEMBER I'M A NURSE AND WORK THE NIGHT SHIFT SO Y'ALL MAYBE JUST GETTING UP BUT THIS 'BIG O GIRL' IS GOING TO BED.AND I TELL YOU WHAT . I WON'T BE DREAMING ABOUT THE BISHOP AND HIS WIFE... IT'S ME AND DENZEL TONITE ...JUST MESSING WITH Y'ALL- CHUCKLES
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SPELLING/GRAMMAR POLICE
2005-09-24 11:00:55
BIG O SISSY IN LA, YOU'RE A TRIP!!!! I HOPE YOU AND DENZEL HAVE FUN!!!! LOL
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######
2005-09-24 11:20:54
Geez, Why would any woman want to sign onto the JOB of being Bishop Jones' wife? Seems like it would be very stressful and not very enjoyable. She wouldn't have a life of her own. Everything would revolve around him and his needs. What about her needs and aspirations? Let me guess, her needs and aspirations would have to be about HIM!
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2005-09-24 11:37:28
#######, I guess its kinda like being the President of the United States some dummies will take any job!!! just joking!!!!
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MINISTER\'S WIFE
2005-09-24 11:39:29
To ####Lucky for him,God is not accepting application for the position of 'The Bishop's Wife', he filled that position the day he made her, and everything she has been doing and thru has been on the job training for her ultimate job as TBW' ,They will have good times and she will be able to be her self, remember it's God who has joined them together and he's too perfect to make mistakes... Yes and Big O'Sissy I hope you find some happiness in a relationship soon.
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######
2005-09-24 11:56:11
MINISTER\'S WIFE, have you found being married to a pastor difficult or enjoyable?
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2005-09-24 14:42:02
I would like to ask a question here. I think we put too much responsibility on God in choosing our mates. Tom me it sounds like we want somebody to blame if it doesn't work out. Does God really choose our mates or does he make the presentation of our mates to us and ultimately we do the choosing? After all we have free will don't we? Just something think about.
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alphonse
2005-09-24 14:53:56
TO Do we chose our mates .. some people do but it's clear to many that God has a purpose for this Man's life . he was allowed free will the first time he married and had children because God was still molding him was still molding him.. This time it's a union of purpose.we will just have wait and see
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sheely in LA
2005-09-24 14:58:40
Big O Sissy in Los angeles are you TYLER PERRY ??? you sound just like him
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-24 15:07:31
Sure God has a purpose for Bishop Noel Jones' life and always has. My point is.....God isn't doing the choosing....God is just making the presentation and it's up to us to be in the position to hear from God in choosing our mate. What happens if the other party that God wants you with at the time doesn't want you if God is doing the choosing???? What if the other person marries someone else. Do you wait until the person goes through a divorce to become free to marry? Remember, we have free will now.
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wisdom
2005-09-24 15:11:36
Of course the choice is ultimately ours, But we need God's approval. God provided Adam with a help mete (suitable)for him. As people of God we should consider the plan that God has for our life before choosing to join our life to someone elses. We should choose someone that will fit into God's scheme of things for both of our lives. Some of us don't go and purchase a house or vehicle without seeking God's counsel because we realize we are not our own, but we have been bought with a price (I Corinthians 6:20) I don't ever think "we can put too much responsibility on God" in choosing anything that will directly impact our lives!!!! And how could we ever "blame God if it doesn't work out"??? He is not the author of confusion, He said whatever He has joined together, let no man put asunder (Matthew 19:6) And whatever He does will last. Even if He doesn't directly choose, WE NEED HIS APPROVAL IN ORDER FOR IT TO LAST!!!! =======================================
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-24 15:34:52
Maybe I'm think too practical and I could be misunderstanding you. True enough we are not our own and we have been brought with a price. True enough if we acknowledge God in all of our ways he will direct our paths. true enough we what God has joined together, let no man put asunder. I believe we need more than just his approval in order for the marriage to last. When the marriage doesn't work, it easy to say "Well, Lord, I married him or her like to told me to and now look at us. When the fact remains that the marriage (relationship) wasn't cultivated at all. There are some practical things that we have to do in order for a marriage (relationship) to grow, mature and to last. Everything isn't on God. There's got to be something else going on besides what's in the bedroom. When you become a certain age ...aint too much of that gonna be going on. You can't just say that God brough us together and each party doesn't have to do anything. That's what's wrong with marriage as it is. Sometimes parties out grow one another because one party doesn't want to grow. The people of God must know that not only must they seek God for everything, but they must to the practical things that will help nature and foster a Godly marriage (relationship). If you spend all your times on your knees praying...how long do you think the marriage is going to last???? It's being so spiritual minded until we are no earthly good that's destroying christian marriages.
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-24 15:43:26
I hit the submit query button by mistake. The last thing I would like to say is that most people (men and women) would like to have someone who has something...whose has it going on financially, but is it worth it if you really don't have the companionship there. Is it really worth it and you can't even communicate with this person? The things don't mean anything (they come and go...Hurricane Katrina confirmed that) if you can't have and build a Godly healthy relationship without things, they you really don't have much anyways.
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mimisters wife
2005-09-24 16:15:20
Ithink you're right 'choose our mate , the first thing is get off your knees praying and date , He could be fighing it for whatever reason, but when it's truly his mate he won't be able to, he will have to submit , because is in control nd they will know not he or she but they
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2005-09-24 17:28:08
The actresses...Tamera Mowery and Tia Mowery of Sister, Sister the TV show? Someone put that on them. They didn't say that.
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wisdom
2005-09-24 17:38:15
did I not say that utimately the choice is yours...... but you need God's approval!!!! Yes I agree, you should date and get to know that person, but you also need God's guidance and revelation....Cause the Bishop evidently thought his first wife was the right one when he married her!!!! But we need more than just our intelect in order to choose the right mate. Now thats why divorce is so big in the church. I think we need God's insight as well as drawing our own conclusions through dating!!!!! Cause its evident a whole bunch of us thought we were doing the right thing based on our research!!!! =======================================
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######
2005-09-24 17:51:23
TO MINSITER/'S WIFE: Based on your comments, you are truly blessed. Your congregation is also blessed to have you as the pastor's wife. I am interested in a single minister, but I know I would not be able to handle the scutiny (or rather do not want to handle it). It's looks like a tough job. And frankly, most of them (ministers' wives) don't appear to be to happy. You seem to be doing it well.
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######
2005-09-24 18:24:21
Can someone please give me the Biblical authority for the proposition that God selects our mates? I hear this all the time and frankly do not believe it. But, I can be pursuaded with a few "on point" scriptural cites.
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2005-09-24 19:56:29
to #######, there aren't any scriptures that I am aware of... He just told us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers (II Cor 6:14) but I feel He leads us to people, just as He leads us to the right church, business, job, house etc. In ALL thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct......Proverb 3:6
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######
2005-09-24 20:14:57
Thanks, but not "on point". Any other takers?
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Big o Sissy in LA
2005-09-24 20:37:42
TO17 278. What they did say for sure was they were thanking God for a Christian , Man and would not mind a preacher .. then they went to Clarence McClenden and whenn he divorced they were there every time the doors opened then he divorce and they went to Bishop Jones GO figure but the word on the street was they were after him.. and so what if they were but they are too young and too many how would he choose- now talking about freaky!!!!
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ministers wife
2005-09-24 20:50:25
To choose our mate. Your question is what if one who is chosen doesn't want the otherone- God is the sender of every good and perfect gift, don't write God off ,just let his plan unfold He knows our desires and I cant believe he would be that far off with our mate. when God choose our mates they may not be most beautiful one but beautiful women divorce everyday , he may not be the most handsome but handsome men divorce everyday. they both could be wealthy but wealthy people divorce everyday ,, If there is a secret Only God knows what it is
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minister\'s wife
2005-09-24 21:11:20
To ###### I can't speak for All minister's wives but I think the reason I'm happy is because my Husband live the life that he preaches and some ministers do not they preach one thing and live another and then there's problem.. A minister should be SAVED
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-24 22:17:16
Wisdom, Sounds like we're saying the same things only from different sides of the spectrum. But, I think we bith agree that there should be a balance in choosing your mate. But after you receive God's Best for you, you've got to do something else besides staying on your knees. It is very possible for a person to receive God's best for them and then end up in divorce because the two people didn't take the time to nature the marriage. If Sally is off to every meeting at the church and not cultivating her marriage at home, Sally has problems and will possible in up in divorce court. Marriages work if you work them.
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######
2005-09-24 22:36:26
TO ARRON NEW YORK: Is Star Jones getting a divorce? Why did you use her as an example?
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2005-09-24 23:51:31
SOUL WRITER, I appreciate your well thought out response. But, nothing in it indicates that God selects our mates. Let's face it: We chose and hope and pray who we have chosen is within God's will. If we get divorced, we say it was not His will. If one of us buries the other, then it was God's will for us to have a life together. We need to stop blaming God for our poor choices. The truth is there is no guarantee in the matter of love. Putting God's stamp of approval on a marriage does not ensure it will last or be fulfilling.
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######
2005-09-25 00:20:33
What's the point of this Bishop Earl Paulk post?
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SOUL WRITER
2005-09-25 02:55:05
======================================= TO: WISDOM THANK YOU. SIGNING OFF FOR NOW!! ======================SOUL WRITER
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2005-09-25 03:37:31
No Star Jones is not getting a divorce, yet..but it's coming
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2005-09-25 17:11:15
AND LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN!!!!! LOL
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######
2005-09-25 17:15:18
If the purpose of marriage isn't for children (be fruitful and multiply) and to avoid fornication, what is it's purpose? Remember, Paul thought it was best to remain single.
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wisdom
2005-09-25 17:23:29
true marriage was design to pattern Christ's love for the church!!!!
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2005-09-25 20:13:41
Is this something a preacher told you, you read in a marriage book or is this in the bible somewhere?
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wisdom
2005-09-25 20:18:13
read Ephesians 5:24-33
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wisdom
2005-09-25 20:21:00
start at verse 23 for more clarity
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######
2005-09-25 22:15:38
So we are supposed to get married and use the marriage as an example of the Body of Christ relationship to Jesus? That's the purpose of marriage? Marriage is some kind of template?
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wisdom
2005-09-26 03:58:34
"And the Lord God said, It is not good that man should be alone: I will make him an help meet for him." Genesis 2:18 Two are better than one, because they have good reward for their labour..... Ecclesiates 4:9-10. These are a couple more scriptures that outline the purpose of marriage. =======================================
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2005-09-26 06:59:43
########## Here are some more good biblical reasons for marriage. Marriage is HONOURABLE in all, and the bed undefiled......... Hebrews 13:4 A virtuous woman is a crown to her husband...... Proverbs 12:4 Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth FAVOUR of the Lord. Proverbs 18:22
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-26 07:59:14
If God chooses our mate and knows who are mates are, then God is choosing who gets married and who doesn't. Is this correct? Not a trick question, just asking. The other question is, if God is choosing our mates, what sense does it make to have standards and boundaries set. If God is doing the choosing and it's going to be God's way, then it doesn't matter. What will be will be...that is if it's the way God wants it isn't it? I don't think that marriage makes you any better of a person then where you're single. If yoou're a selfish single, you're selfish when you're married. However, I do believe that single people are more self centered and there is a difference between selfish and self-centered. If you're single, you don't really have anyone else to take into consideration when making decisions for your life. If you're married, you have a spouse and children to take into consideration. I've watch "Successfully Single" for the most part, it was very encouraging for me. I wished I had heard that Word when I was 19 and 20 years old. There was a part of when the Bishop is speaking about when a woman comes into who she is (meaning once she gets married) she has to find who she is (meaning she must forget everything) I can't remember exactly how he phrased it, but to me what I was hearing exactly is when God reveals to a woman who she is to marry, after she marries him, she is to submit (come up under his mission) everything to the man. Forget about everything that God was doing through her. I think it's easy to say something like this if the woman is in her early twenties, but it's not easy to say something like this if she is older. God is using women all over this world. Sometimes a woman has been operating in her calling for quite sometime. It would see that when the two come together that God would intertwine both their ministries not disregard one for the other. Maybe I took it wrong. I look at the case of Juanita Bynum....I don't know her or her husband, and know nothing about them personally but just an observation. It was her choice whom each decided to marry and if it's working for them fine. This is just an example. Over the past few years something has been missing in her ministry. When the two would be on TBN, it just wasn't natural...something was wrong. It was almost as if she was trying to fit into something that she wasn't designed for and that he was trying to take headship of something that's too powerful for him. Now, that they been married for a while the same thing is still there, but it seems like now you have your ministry that God has called you to and I have mine. The ministries are interwine. "Hoover Street" was impressive. I have to say that I didn't expect Bishop Noel Jones to live in the same neighborhood. this gave me a new appreciate for the ministry that God has called him to. However, the only way to keep ministry relevant is to get down with the people and not keep yourself above the people as so many ministers, pastors and Bishop doe.
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-26 07:59:41
If God chooses our mate and knows who are mates are, then God is choosing who gets married and who doesn't. Is this correct? Not a trick question, just asking. The other question is, if God is choosing our mates, what sense does it make to have standards and boundaries set. If God is doing the choosing and it's going to be God's way, then it doesn't matter. What will be will be...that is if it's the way God wants it isn't it? I don't think that marriage makes you any better of a person then where you're single. If yoou're a selfish single, you're selfish when you're married. However, I do believe that single people are more self centered and there is a difference between selfish and self-centered. If you're single, you don't really have anyone else to take into consideration when making decisions for your life. If you're married, you have a spouse and children to take into consideration. I've watch "Successfully Single" for the most part, it was very encouraging for me. I wished I had heard that Word when I was 19 and 20 years old. There was a part of when the Bishop is speaking about when a woman comes into who she is (meaning once she gets married) she has to find who she is (meaning she must forget everything) I can't remember exactly how he phrased it, but to me what I was hearing exactly is when God reveals to a woman who she is to marry, after she marries him, she is to submit (come up under his mission) everything to the man. Forget about everything that God was doing through her. I think it's easy to say something like this if the woman is in her early twenties, but it's not easy to say something like this if she is older. God is using women all over this world. Sometimes a woman has been operating in her calling for quite sometime. It would see that when the two come together that God would intertwine both their ministries not disregard one for the other. Maybe I took it wrong. I look at the case of Juanita Bynum....I don't know her or her husband, and know nothing about them personally but just an observation. It was her choice whom each decided to marry and if it's working for them fine. This is just an example. Over the past few years something has been missing in her ministry. When the two would be on TBN, it just wasn't natural...something was wrong. It was almost as if she was trying to fit into something that she wasn't designed for and that he was trying to take headship of something that's too powerful for him. Now, that they been married for a while the same thing is still there, but it seems like now you have your ministry that God has called you to and I have mine. The ministries are interwine. "Hoover Street" was impressive. I have to say that I didn't expect Bishop Noel Jones to live in the same neighborhood. this gave me a new appreciate for the ministry that God has called him to. However, the only way to keep ministry relevant is to get down with the people and not keep yourself above the people as so many ministers, pastors and Bishop do.
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Big o sissy in Los Angles
2005-09-26 11:32:44
To Does God Choose- Let me start with Juanita Bynum she did not choose Bishop weeks as her Husband , juanita will admit that she has slept around even after she found Christ I believe that God gave her Pastor weeks but if the prohetess. does get rid of 'Self ' she is going to be crawling n the floor again for mercy. she is so full of her self and she talks to her husband like he has a tail,child, . I think as for as it being easier for a youunger women to submitt to her husband than an older woman that may not be true .when we girls get older we know the ropes and not everyone but surely one that God calls to marry one of his 'best' . it becomes easier to listen because you have things to draw from. younger women want to experience for themselves.. 'us older Dolls know and will listen to voices of wisdom
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-26 12:22:41
Big o sissy in LA, who chose him then. I believe I heard her say that she made a human decision on TBN when she announced that they were married. She didn't say that God put them together, but she did say that he came to her. I don't recall her mentioning anything about God and their union. Until after the big wedding.
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Big O sissy in los angeles
2005-09-26 14:43:32
Juanita bynum says she was praying for a mate and when God sent Bishops Weeks to her and she knew he was the one
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Do We Choose Our Mates
2005-09-26 15:06:12
Thanks BOSILA. I must have missed that part. I didn't mean for this to turn into a dicussion about Juanita Bynum. My point for using her as an example was that when a man and a woman come together, that God would intertwine both their ministries not disregard one for the sake of the other. Both callings fitting like a hand in the right size glove.
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######
2005-09-26 15:08:40
TO BIG O SISSY IN LOS ANGELES: If Juanita Bynum and her husband get a divorce (of course we hope they never do), does that mean she really did not hear from God and it was her free will choice to pick him as a mate? That God didn't send him?
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######
2005-09-26 16:14:52
I believe they each had been married before (Juanita and Weeks). Presumably, they were Christians when they got married before and undoubtedly thought God chose the former spouses too (especially Weeks since he is the son of a Bishop). Query: Who is doing the choosing? Does God allow us to have "practice marriages" until He sends "The One"?
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-26 16:32:03
######, That's a good one "practice marriages" LOL!! You are too much. LOL!! I shouldn't laugh because it's sad!
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2005-09-26 16:36:05
so do we get "learner permits" instead of an actual marriage license????
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ministers wife
2005-09-26 16:53:25
I believe that our mates ar sent into our lives with divine instructions and if we follow them they will lead to marrige but the scriptures say that,The steps of a good man are ordered by the lord, I believe some people have free will and others do not, Pastor Jones was very young when he first chose his wife , now that he is older and more stablish he has asked God for Help and I believe he will get it and be blessed for waiting
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Do We Choose Our Mates?
2005-09-26 16:57:21
"Learner's Permit"??? Okay....When you have a learner's permit there is a licensed driver in the front seat with you. It is unlawful for you to drive without a a licensed driver. Marriage learner permits????? This maybe a good idea and maybe what the church needs to help prevent divorce???
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######
2005-09-26 18:26:55
TO MINISTER'S WIFE: Some of us have free will and others do not? I thought God was no respecter of persons? As far as Bishop Jones is concerned, again, he is a mere mortal man. It seems he made a mistake in the choice of his first wife. Because his is still mortal, he could well make another one in his next choice.
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######
2005-09-26 19:07:03
Dr. Phil today is about couples wanting a divorce after a few months of marriage. He said that 1 in 12 marriages in this country end in divorce within the first 12 months!
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wisdom
2005-09-26 19:11:41
To####### and Minister's Wife: The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth: but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom SHE WILL; only in the Lord. I Corithians 7:39......so this is something to consider???
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######
2005-09-26 19:20:19
And how do you know Bishop Jones has asked God for a wife?
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minister\'s Wife
2005-09-26 19:32:23
To##### Yes bishop jones is a mere mortal,but he also unlike a lot of minister's has a calling on his life a divine purpose. and Ibelieve this time his marriage will last because it will be a three way partnership. I don't think his first marriage was a failure, it produced his children and maybe that's all it was meant to do,
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2005-09-26 19:51:58
Minister's Wife, when did Bishop Jones get the call? After his first divorce? He was a minister when he married her. You keep saying what you believe: 1) That God sends mates into our lives with divine instructions 2)that some people have free will and others do not 3) that Bishop Jones will get the wife (you think) he wants 4) that "this" time there will be be a three way partnership, presuming that in his first marriage he and his wife just ignored God's will. It's convenient for you to add that the purpose of his first marriage was to produce children. Where is your biblical authority for any of this?
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minister wife
2005-09-26 20:00:48
Dear #### I have no bibical Authority but I have heard him say in his sermon's as well as Eddie long that they were praying for mates , maybe hat just meant some direction from God , ###there is nothing perfect but God. why something fails or suceed I don't know. for the most part I hope he finds happiness whether he finds or Gods sends
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2005-09-26 20:07:35
I hope Bishop Jones finds happiness too(if he is unhappy in his present state)whether that means remaining single or remarrying.
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2005-09-26 20:21:59
Ahh, Big O Sissy IN LA, you think we'll have to wait for him to get laid? LOL
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stephanie
2005-09-26 22:21:14
Hello everyone, and God Bless, you guys were really hot tonight very good reading, alot of wisdom, and my favorite saying, " wow and a lot of conversations' that would make you go HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
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2005-09-26 22:29:19
Hey Stephanie. Good to see you're still with us. Missed your uplifting posts.
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2005-09-27 00:04:50
Whew! Thanks Big O Sissy!
From:
SOUL WRITER
2005-09-27 00:50:59
====================================== TO: DO WE CHOOSE OUT MATES? Thanks for your feedback on "Hoover Street Revival" and "Successfully Single". SOUL WRITER =======================================
From:
DO WE CHOOSE OUr MATES?
2005-09-27 01:27:48
Soul Writer, you're quite welcome. Have you watch either of them? If you haven't seen "Hoover Street Revival", please do. It will give you a new appreciate for his ministry. He has a wide group of people to minister to. Rich folks to the folks on welfare - the educated to the noneducated and he does it very effectively. Now, "Successfully Single", if it's the first sermon that he preached , I thought he lost his mind saying some of the things he said but he says them very tackfully. I believed he preached himself happy at the end of that sermon. I have respect for Bishop Noel Jones and believe that he will remarry. I just hope that he would have gotten some of his own issues together before he takes a wife instead of just preaching to everyone elso helping them getting theirs together. No I don't know anything, but we all have issues.
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SOUL WRITER
2005-09-27 04:51:16
===================================== TO: DO WE CHOOSE OUR MATES? I plan to purchase “Hoover Street Revival” and “Successfully Single” soon. Yes, I know Bishop Noel Jones has a very diverse mix of people in his congregation to minister to. I’m sure it’s quite challenging and definitely not a job for a novice. Although I do not know Bishop Noel Jones personally, I have seen and heard him preach live and in color. A lot of what he says is not for babes but for Christians that truly want to grow in Christ. Some people have stated that they do not understand him, but if you only listen with natural ears, rather than a spiritual ear and a sound mind, it is possible to either get lost in the message or lose the message. While I agree no one is issue free or perfect, I think some people sometimes project their own issues on people they know, as well as people they don’t know. Anyway, a former pastor to me once stated when he finally rededicated himself to Christ and was called into the ministry, he thought he would be dealing with the spiritually and mentally well, but later learned the church is full of people that are not well, and the sad part is some do not know it. Much prayer is needed. Until next time. Peace be unto you!! SOUL WRITER ======================================
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2005-09-27 10:37:40
SOUL WRITER: You are free to post whatever thoughts you have. Please give others the same courtesy without questioning their Christianity. Bishop Jones, based on his teaching that I have been exposed to for several years, would encourage the free expression of ideas.
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BigO Sissy in LA
2005-09-27 11:50:46
Do we choose our mates . I can't get with CREFlO 'give me a' Dollar...He's pimping, now I like his wife Daphne and I think she's a good lady..but the million Dollar man is to slick for this big o sissy.. jive time
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Stephanie
2005-09-28 00:40:14
To: Big Old Sissy in Los Angeles, Ok, now don't let me read you, ---- -----! I was made human first, didn't someone say, that the Bishop was a mere mortal. Guess what, so am I. But I missed you anyway, without any negative comments.
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Sara new york
2005-09-28 09:42:23
Big O Sissy in LA , You are so sweet , Will you Marry me?
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minister\'s wife
2005-09-28 10:21:44
My husband is not a mega Pastor like The Bishop but we have met him.and Itoo love forward to talking with his wife and to them as a couple I think she is someone I would likeat our Church we print out a monthly statement so that I members will know where the monies have gone ad are going. we live in a city where there's a Pro football team so over the years we have Pastored some of them and their wives,which brings me to the subject of rewards ,you should hear some of their stories of'pain before priviledge'but each one admits as Big O sissy in LA that they could not have withstood the pressure of being an NFL wife without past pain and Christ in their lives teaching them how to handle the pressure, God gives us what we need to prepare us for what he has for us to survive the Blessings he has in store for us , at least in my life and the lives of the people I have mention.
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ALPHONSE. Texas
2005-09-28 10:25:28
Does anyone Know if there's any truth in the rumor that Bishop Jones and Juanita Bynum use to date ?
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Big o sissy in LA
2005-09-28 11:09:22
WHEW!!!!SO MANY THINGS. fIRST sara, NO it would never work and you know why Girl you are in NEW YORKand I'm in LA just messing with ya, you will find someone soon..To the Minister's wife I know what you mean we have a lot of girls at my Church that atr Thanking God for a 'PRIME RIB ' husband ' o.k?and they have hot dog' time stored up.. I bought a house in Ladera and a new car.. only after I Had under gone life s challenges that proved me worhty... The ???? Did the Bishop date the Phophetess ,now I'm not gossiping I'm just pouring the 'T' (TRUTH 0 I have to say I doubt it , Bishop is to wise to be fooled by Juanita. don't write me let me explain because she will be here tomorrow at my church , but I have set in her company at my choir directors homes. and believr me if that was what the Bishop was praying for then lord help us all .. yet I could see her back in the day approaching the Bishop with God said: I just don't see him falling for it On to more important things Minister wife , about those NFL players have you noticed if any of the single ones are a little lite on their feet ? 9WFJ44566#$%^^%(5881828`544131316162@###$#$#$%()) that's just me speaking in toungues and you don't want to know ok?
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Sara new york
2005-09-28 12:06:50
Oh well. Big o Sissy but great to receive the encouragement that I will find someone soon . I attend Wyatt t. Walker's Church ,and there are not a lot of prime rib men at my church. I know I could never be a ministers wife.especially one as high profiled as Bishop Jones I could stand up to thhh daily inspection that comes with being by his side too high pressure for me. but I would like to meet someone who s a christian and earns a decent living and is a decent person,I will keep praying. my church is kind of GHETTO and noisy the crowd is mostly not sophisicated but my pastor is a man of God and teaches'Rewards for faithfulness and obedience' may be I hsouls ask God tosend me a husband and believe that he will , who knows..
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DWCOM
2005-09-28 12:14:22
BOS in LA, Has the praise and worship leader resigned or just on sabbatical? ALPHONSE. Texas, it's obvious that you don't listen to either one that much because you would know there will never be a woman running Bishop Noel Jones and telling him what to do. That will never happen. If you listen to Bynum-Weeks or have watched she and Mr. Bynum, oh, I'm sorry Bishop Weaks oh, Bishop Weeks on TV, you know who runs the show there. The rumor probably isn't true or it was a very, very brief. I can't see that at all.
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DWCOM
2005-09-28 12:21:15
Why do christians need to be rewarded for their faithfulness and or obedience? Why do we need an incentative? Why can't we just do it because it's the right thing to do. If you aren't rewarded, will you still be faithful???
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wisdom
2005-09-28 13:10:28
Christians need to be rewarded too!!!! After all the wages of sin is death!!! so we should get lively "SOME WAGES" for walking upright!!!! LOL
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stephanie
2005-09-28 13:10:46
Hello, Ms. DWCOM, you have me mistaken with one of the other posters I never say anything about mega church's, I was responding to the Soul Writers comment only. But for the record I to have visited Bishop Jones church while in Calif. on several occasions and he and his chrch members, the ones I personally interacted with were all great. But the bottom line is that the Bishop is a preacher that feeds my soul mentally, emotionally and spiritually, I wish I could find a pastor like that on the East Coast. And if you read real carefully it was Soul Writer that you are responding to. But I am flattered that you thought it was me. Bye.
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wisdom
2005-09-28 13:16:35
BOS IN LA, when are you going to pursue your career in comedy, cause you are to hilarious!!!!! LOL what a laugh!!!
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Stephanie
2005-09-28 13:17:08
Hello Big Old Sissy in LA, YOU ARE VERY KNOWNLEDGABLE AND THAT IS HOW GOD REWARDS OBEDIENCE, AND THAT IS WHAT I MEANT!!! Great example.
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DWCOM
2005-09-28 13:23:51
Stephanie, I apologize! A R. Bernard is a great preacher if you're in the New York area. BOS in LA, I wasn't asking for any details. Just confirmation of one or the other, but I understand your point and I didn't mean to place you in an akward position. Love Ya! By the way, can you work on the cussing a bit? You've got a great personality. Love Ya!!!
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Stephanie
2005-09-28 13:43:48
To: DWCOM I will get back to you later because my plate is full right now with things I have to get done. But review Big O Sissy in LA, that's an example of what I mean, I express myself better in person, I hate writting. But I will get back to your question directed at me, Ok? But in the mean time remember that everything I say is personal opinion and personal experiences that works and/or have worked for me. I am only sharing because that's what we all should be doing to help take each to a higher level . If something I have been though can help why not share. It is only up to you, to use it. It's only suggestions, everyone is different and there life experiences are different. What worked for me may not work for you. But God's word will not change nor can He lie. But maybe there is something I have said that you can use, so take it and run with it, what can you or anyone else lose. I see win win. What do you see? I will chat with you later. Continue to be blessed, and you are, and your openless shows that, smile, later.
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Big o Sissy in la
2005-09-28 14:50:52
Thanks Stephanie, Thanks Wisdom. I know that's right. If I'm going to work and get paid I'd rather get paid for doing right...The wages of sin is Death,, why would anyone choose those wages .. honey hold my check/.lol
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MINISTERS WIFE
2005-09-28 15:11:24
THERE are so many things to address today but lt me just respond to DWCOM because I think I'm qualified your statement that there will never be a woman running Bishop Jones or telling him what to do, When Bishop Jones takes a wife she will become a part of him . they will share and experience things together that his congregatio will never know, she will lay next to him at ight and please his manly desires and with this comes a degree of control, she would have experienced him in his most vulnerable state . she will be able to say to him what others can't . Often people in our CHURCH ask me things to tell the pastor ,as his mate I don't always tell him these things I consider whose doing t he asking and I don't burden him with everything I hear I don't want to run the show but I know that my husband relies n me to give him inpt when I feel it's needed or when he ask for it ,he speaks to me softer than he does to his congregation he looks at me differently than he does others . dont think Bishop jones will treat his mate any differently.. that's my experience as a minister's wife
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Big o sissy in la
2005-09-28 15:23:37
Minister's wife I agree with you .Ithink he may have gotten carried awya with Juanita Bynum and Bishop WEAKS. sheis clearly the one on top in this relationship and she interupts him and makes him look like a bigger fool than he looks.. ok sorry .it was wht we didnt think she could have made Bishop Jones a good wife - ot that he wanted her, GOD FORBID.. Minister's wife you made it plain I must say about the bedroom lol girl Hallelujah!!!!!your husband must be a happy man ,I've often said that the Bishop needs a wife in the Streets and a "FREAK' in the Sheet. LOL IT MUST BE A FULL MOON.. THE MINISTER'S WIFE HAS SPOKEN GLORY !!!... My Bishop AND HIS WIFE
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DWCOM
2005-09-28 15:52:16
Minister's Wife, I don't think that you really caught on to what I was saying...BOS in LA caught it. LOL!!What you have said is true and the wives do have a lot of influence, but his wife isn't going to be running the church and there is a big difference there. Let's remember he's grown up in this, he's been pastoring a long time and was married for 20 plus years so he not a novice. He's been pastoring this church for quite a few years as a single pastor, so a wife should make him better and a wife coming in running him and the church will cause his congregation to loose respect for him.
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Big o sissy in la
2005-09-28 16:19:02
Bishop Jones will probadly marry someone who has a life with him and one without him . he has seen then all and he has been single long enough to know what his needs are- being minister's wife in la is probadly a lot different than being one in a small town - God may send him a 'trophy wife 'a diva to keep him from being alone and she may stay out of his ministry and make him happy as a man... but I know she will be saved and they will have a lot to work through has a couple but as DWCOM said he's been a pastor for a long time and will marry someone that loves him and they compiment each other but I DON'T see his mate baking cookies for Sunday School or vacation Bible or being a part of the missionary society knitting club- the Bishop is very Dapper .. and probadly looking for the same
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DWCOM
2005-09-28 16:19:07
ALPHONSE. TEXAS, I apologize. Minister Wife, I have a lot of love and respect for the Bishop and his choice/God's choice for him....I had began enjoying the discussion that had started moving in the opposite direction of the Bishop's marital status, his future wife, etc. I hope the thread begins moving back towards some of the other discussions which had started to become thought provoking somewhat. Maybe I shouldn't have place the Bynum-Weeks blub in there LOL! If I lead us down this path..I apologize.
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?????/
2005-09-28 16:25:00
I heard Andre Crouch on TBN The other night saying he was waiting and believing God for a Wife- Big O Sissy in LA, Do you have any thoughts on that subject?
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MINISTER\'S WIFE
2005-09-28 16:32:03
DWCOM.I understandand agree so let's see it I can pu it back on track.just a little. But DW this page to discuss the Bishop and most people seem to have a fascination with God's choice for The Bishop's Wife With all the natural disasters does anyone think that we are living in the last days and if God is not behind this who is?
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Big oO Siisy inLA
2005-09-28 17:14:03
TO????? Are you sure you heard Rev. Andre Crouch say he was asking and believing God for a Wife or for a Mate? one or the other is not legal in California
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DWCOM
2005-09-28 17:20:29
Minister's Wife, You are sooooo write the fascination is there!!! I don't think there's been dialogue about any single celebrity preacher since an un-named person was married several years ago. BOS in LA...get my drift??? LOL! I previously asked a question " Why do christians need to be rewarded for their faithfulness and or obedience? Why do we need an incentative? Why can't we just do it because it's the right thing to do. If you aren't rewarded, will you still be faithful??? Now, I would like to narrow the spectrum a little bit. "Should single christian strive to be faithful and obedient so they can be rewarded with a Godly mate "God's Best for them" or should they strive to be faithful and obedient because of the love they have for God and because it's the right thing to do! What our real motive for being faithful and obedient??? I'm faithful because it is the right thing to do. It's not to manipulate God into giving me anything...simply because I want to be a better person. Also, in keeping it real, I don't want to degrade the temple that God has given me anymore by fornicating. There's a lot of stuff out there that a doctor's office can't cure...get my drift.
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DWCOM
2005-09-28 17:24:07
God is still in the delivering business!!!!
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BIG O SISSY IN LA
2005-09-28 17:44:18
DWCOM. God can not be manipulated OR Psychied out. a lot of people try 'God if you just give me that house I'll stop drinking'.If it's a lie God knows it before you do that's because he's omni present and all the other omni's. Its in the Bilble you give and get,, God himself so loved us that he gave him only begotten son ,,follow me now.. that whosoever believeth in him should have life and have it mora abundantly. Do you see Donald Trump children in the streets begging we are heirs to Riches . so yes This Big O sissy wants the Best House the best Mate. the best clothes and I believe it's mind for being obedient,,,, some christians say I don't care how you bless me lord .I'll be satisfied .. Well I ain't one of them ok?
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?????
2005-09-28 17:48:44
Big o sissy Andre Crouch said he's praying for a wife.
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alphonse
2005-09-28 17:58:56
If I'm obedient and God doesn't reward me then what ?
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wisdom
2005-09-28 18:39:46
If we be willing and OBEDIENT, ye SHALL eat the good of the land....Isaiah 1:19 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap....Galatians 6:7 Behold the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth:.... Proverbs 11:31 I don't know about y'all, but I am waiting to be recompensed!!! LOL =======================================
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Big O sissy in LA
2005-09-28 18:46:13
To wisdom I'm with you. To???? IF Andre Crouch says he's thanking God for a wife. then I guess he's thanking God for a Wife.
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2005-09-28 18:53:26
BOS in LA / Wisdom, Is that your motive for being faithful and obedient?
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wisdom
2005-09-28 18:55:49
to Alphonse, if you are obedient, God Will reward you and I stand on the authority of the Word of God.....You may not be rewarded the way you think you outta be rewarded, But God is true to His promises!!!!!! BELIEVE THAT!!!
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wisdom
2005-09-28 18:58:13
no, I am obedient because on day I fell in love with Jesus, and like any other love relationship, you seek to please those you love!!!!!
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wisdom
2005-09-28 19:00:46
To Alphonse, I meant "one day"
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SOUL WRITER
2005-09-28 19:02:44
===================== For now, all I can say is you guys have pumped up the volume on making this site a lot better. Yes, this is a site to discuss Bishop Noel Jones, yet it is clear that there are soooo many avenues of discussion. There are quite a few things I want to comment on and/or explore from today's discussions. And I'll do that later. For now, I simply wanted to say, there is so much positive thought and encouragement, and to GOD BE THE GLORY!! Again, thank you all and be blessed. SOUL WRITER ================================
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Big o Sissy in La
2005-09-28 19:44:08
To the person who ask if my reason for being faithfuland obedient,the rewards. you ask this Question of me /wisdom, Well wisdom just put his foot in it. I couldn't have said it better.
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big o sissy in la
2005-09-28 20:03:53
To Wisdom your word came through the page as true so you most be loving sombody other than Jesus the right way and they must be loving you back ,because your words were pure of Heart. You go wisdom!!!!
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wisdom
2005-09-28 20:27:09
to BOS in LA, thank you, you are very perceptive!!!! LOL the older I get, the more I learn how to love, GENUINELY !!!and Alphonse, if she doesn't want to wait, she may not want to wait that weekend you have to be out of town after y'all get married either!!!! you figure it out guy!!!
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Stephanie
2005-09-28 21:36:19
THINKING TIME TO ALL: WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE IN LIFE? IS IT TO LIVE FOR ALL OUR SELFISH REASON? OR IS IT TO LIVE FOR GOD AND HAVE HEAVEN ON EARTH, AND THE REWARDING RESULTS ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD IN THE KINGDOM? To the Minister's Wife: Yes we are in the last days look at all the things that are happening explained and unexplained. It's time for all of us to take an inventory of how and what we are doing in our lives.But you Know First Lady the sad thing is that some of us aren't getting the hint, God is so boldly giving the one's that are surviving the storms a chance, and the opportunity to turn things around. Great observation and insight Ms. Lady
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alphonse.texas
2005-09-28 22:08:54
I will not marry a women who goes to bed with me before I marry her, like wisdom said if she can't wait until we marry she probadly can't wait if I have to go out of town for the weekend.she goes to church but she I din't know she doesn't see why we have to wait
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alphonse.texas
2005-09-28 22:09:33
I will not marry a women who goes to bed with me before I marry her, like wisdom said if she can't wait until we marry she probadly can't wait if I have to go out of town for the weekend.she goes to church but she w she doesn't see why we have to wait
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Big O sissy in LA
2005-09-28 22:17:20
Alphonse ,Get to Steppin....
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DWCOM
2005-09-28 23:23:14
Alphonse, texas...Remember...without holiness no man can see the Lord. Be encouraged!
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SOUL WRITER
2005-09-28 23:52:58
====================================== Minister\’s Wife, with regard to your posting earlier today, a monthly financial statement is an excellent way to show your members your integrity and accountability. Also, it is true, some people look at the manifestations only, yet do not understand the pain and suffering before privilege. You stated the pro athletes and their wives that you and the minister have pastored over the years have shared their stories with you, and they could not have made it without Christ in their lives. THAT’S REAL TESTIMONY!! And I commend you for keeping the details private and confidential. Another thing you said that kept me smiling all day is, “God gives us what we need to prepare us for what he has for us to survive the Blessings he has in store for us”. That’s very powerful and lines up with this dynamic scripture, “Thou hast caused men to ride over our heads, we went through the fire and through water, but thou broughtest us out into a wealthy place.” (Psalm 66:12) GOD BLESS YOU, THE PASTOR AND YOUR CHURCH FAMILY!! SOUL WRITER ======================================
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Big O Sissy in LA
2005-09-29 10:11:33
Soul writer -to address your thank on me standing up against those who attack Bishop Jones character. I wish we could close this room now with just the people in ti because it's so positive, God used Bishop N
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2005-09-29 11:05:51
One of Bishop Jones' favorite saying is, "I'm too flawed to be flashy". He too realizes that he is just a mere mortal. He is a humble servant of God.
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wisdom
2005-09-29 11:19:37
to ministers wife, you can get to go to the right side of the screen and drag the bar under the arrows and go straight to the bottom of the page to view the latest posts, I hope this makes sense?????
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SOUL WRITER
2005-09-29 11:38:37
=============================== MR. LA, I am glad the truth saved your life, and the fact that you have been so very open and honest. God can deliver us from anything, and he does use others as vessels to bring about positive change in our lives. Keep praying and keep your head up! SOUL WRITER =====================================
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SOUL WRITER
2005-09-29 11:46:34
==================================== To the person that posted one of the Bishop's favorite sayings. Thanks, this is so real, and it's true he is truly an humble servant. PRAISE GOD IN ADVANCE FOR HUMILITY ACROSS THE BOARD!! SOUL WRITER ===================================
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wisdom
2005-09-29 13:19:26
Alphonse, which do you need the most her approval or God's favour????? If she will leave you for that, then I think you need to re-think joining your life to hers!!!!!!
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Alphonse in texas
2005-09-29 13:41:58
Wisdom/Soul writer- The package is nice but I always have been able to get nice packages.but I want more this time than someone in bed and she thinks I really don't know what she thinks , I will see her tonite and talk about counseling .looks and a fine body is nice I've had a lot of fine women I mean fine but like one of ya'll said , the package was empty .i need more .she is not warm either she's afraid if showing affection. I'm just confused .
From:

2005-09-29 13:42:17
BOS in LA, you have n awesome testimony...continue to let God use you! Anything is possible with God.
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DWCOM
2005-09-29 13:56:22
Alphonse in texas, Has God revealed to you what your purpose is??? Does she know what her purpose is??? The counseling will reveal why she is afraid and why she doesn't show affection. WAITING is the best thing you can do for her and YOURSELF.
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DWCOM
2005-09-29 13:57:54
BOS in LA, you have an awesome testimony...continue to let God use you! Anything is possible with God. Love Ya!
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wisdom
2005-09-29 14:34:42
that wasn't me Mr. LA, that was SOUL WRITER!!!! But anyway after reading your testimony, It is obvious that GOD changed your name!!!!! so, I like Mr. LA too!!!!
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Mr. LA
2005-09-29 15:36:45
Ministers wife Thank you and you have been inspiring but first Lady of God, if you think what I think you are thinking, It's not going to happenned lol lol o.k ? I have stopped fornicating, but I know what I like. Now hear me when I say .. 6'5 with beatiuful eyes,A dresser O.k. .I have been hit on by women in my life ,poor things lol. but child I would not play that game .. I love women 'Dolls ' and can't nobody put them together better than me!!!!! .. but trying to get in bed with one ' Jesus keep me near the cross' LOL But minister's wife Thanks I know you believe with God all things are possible so..let's just leave that alone LOL
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Minister\'s wife
2005-09-29 16:51:23
LOL Okay Mr.LA
From:
?????
2005-09-29 21:41:41
What do you do when you've kept God's commandments lived right and still you seem not to be able to be blessed?
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wisdom
2005-09-29 22:25:52
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. Galatians 6:9
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DWCOM
2005-09-30 03:19:08
????? We're always blessed in some form or fashion. Be it that you have your health, finances, roof over your head, food to eat, etc. I guess it would depend what you describe as "blessed". Remember this, the problem is never on God's end because the Word works. There is one thing about DUE SEASON, that is it ALWAYS comes. Watch your motives and keep doing what you're doing. There have been times when I felt the same way in certain areas of my life and felt like giving up, but I realize that there wasn't anywhere to go. I didn't fit in to what I used to do or how I used to live any longer. God knows your situation better than you do...keep trusting God in your situation!!!! Be encouraged!! Love Ya!
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alphonse in Texas
2005-09-30 11:05:43
Ah, man I tried tot alk to my lady last night but we didn't get too far, she doesn't think we need counseling, see I'm in the Military and in Nov. ill be stationed some place else and she thinks I will forget about her, she's not trying to get pregnant, she said last night that we could comprimise,,, not intercourse but, well you know,i refused, but it's messing with my head,I'm a man, Do I take my chances and marry her to keep from sinning or do I just give in and see what happens. she'26 and I'm 28. my night was messed up it's rough. We left off with her asking me not to call her again until I'm ready
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wisdom
2005-09-30 11:48:19
Alphonse, do you realize that marriage is a life altering/destiny altering decision???? If there is a chance that you will forget about her, then she wasn't for you to begin with, and if you KNOW in your heart you won't forget her....then what is the dilemma????? just wait Alphonse, give it another month or so and pray (like DWCOM suggested) and seek the Lord while you are waiting. I just feel like the ENEMY is putting the press game on you. There is nothing wrong with waiting....I don't think you will miss out!!!!!! I'll be praying for you!!!
From:
ministers wife
2005-09-30 15:25:49
Alphonse,This sounds like one for the men, and they have given good advice so far.. I'll pray for you
From:
Wondering?
2005-10-03 00:22:47
Is this a Christian site? With your language, I hope not!
From:
???????
2005-10-03 08:07:57
The Bishop's girlfriend was at Church Sunday , way too young, lightskinned, hair extensions ,Diva 'wanna' be, air head,trying to ge uppity, His member are upset, some got together at Hometown Boffet last nite,phones are ringing, Do you think that they are sleeping together?
From:
Mr. LA
2005-10-03 09:32:18
??????? How do you know that was the Bishop's girlfriend? Did he stand her up and introduce her or ar ya'll just doing what Church folks do Gossiping.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-03 09:35:24
Although I recognize that some individuals responding on this thread may not be Christians and may have along ways to go living the the life as a Christian, I certainly hope that certain individuals are striving to better people in every area of their lives. I pray for the hearts of individuals who wish to represent themselves by using profanity. We don't know you, but God does. As far as Bishop Noel Jones' girlfriend, if that's who he chooses...that who he chooses. It doesn't matter who he marries, the women in the church won't like her anyways. I just pray that he doesn't make the wrong choice and/or for the wrong reason. Just keep him lifted up in your prayers.
From:
######
2005-10-03 12:32:35
TO ???????: More details please. How do the members who gathered at Hometown Buffet know it was his girlfriend? Did she sit in the pulpit? Did she arrive with him? Did he introduce her to the congregation? Sounds like rank speculation to me.
From:
Ministers wife
2005-10-03 18:14:51
DWCOM It sound to me that girl is not of God but rather a decision that Bishop no doubt made on his own, if it's true. Bishop seems to be searching for the answers and the Answer is only in God. Because Bishop is not a Perfect man I know he has to be carrying a Cross..and I don't know what it is. but I know that the attack of Satan in single Christians is usually an attack of the flesh. But DWCOM Bishop Jones has said so many timees that he is praying to God to send the wife he would have him to have.and peoplle all over the World is praying with this man.I declare this day that the DEVIL IS A LIAR !!!!! Bishop knows what to do and he will not burn in Hell behind a woman .. He's on the verge of a BREAKTHROUGH AND SATAN IS ON HIS HEELS.If he is being disobedient then God will reveal and reward him for that, but DWCOM . know that God has a way of troubling your Spirit , Bishop is Important to the kingdom Business ,
From:
######
2005-10-03 18:28:47
Minister's Wife: From your lips (or fingers for typing) to God's ears.
From:
Ministers wife
2005-10-03 18:31:56
DWCOM It sound to me that girl is not of God but rather a decision that Bishop no doubt made on his own, if it's true. Bishop seems to be searching for the answers and the Answer is only in God. Because Bishop is not a Perfect man I know he has to be carrying a Cross..and I don't know what it is. but I know that the attack of Satan in single Christians is usually an attack of the flesh. But DWCOM Bishop Jones has said so many timees that he is praying to God to send the wife he would have him to have.and peoplle all over the World is praying with this man.I declare this day that the DEVIL IS A LIAR !!!!! Bishop knows what to do and he will not burn in Hell behind a woman .. He's on the verge of a BREAKTHROUGH AND SATAN IS ON HIS HEELS.If he is being disobedient then God will reveal and reward him for that, but DWCOM . know that God has a way of troubling your Spirit , Bishop is Important too the kingdom Business ,he's a Fighter and should with all of his wisdom recognize a gift from SATAN Pray his strengh in the lLord to be able to rebuke the Devil and GET out of that toxic affair.. WHat does it profit a Man to gain the whole Word and then lose his Soul. If he settles for this then he is living beneath his priveledge,,, ask in the name of JESUS , I plead the Blood of Jesus on his life that whatever or Who ever is in his life fir the wrong reason will go back to the Pit of Hell from which they came ,,,Free this Man of so that he can do God's willand we thank God ,so many people under his annoiting have been Save,,DWCOM GOD is keeping his wife from him for a reason and I don't know what that is only he and God knows.. The scripture says and (I don't have the chapter to back it up with right now) I you live right that you could demand of God to come.. but sometimes God has to move some things around for his own Glory, Pray for the, Bishop that God would this week Humble him , you would have to know with all the Flesh pressures around him, that he must get week sometimes ,we commission God in the name of his wonder Son Jesus to put a fence all around him un loose his mind so that he can think clearly, annoit his eyes so that he can see , his ears taht he may hear,Satanis seeking who he can devour The Bishop is no exeception . The Devil will flee and the minister will begin to minister to himselfand be made whole,,And so it is . Let everybody pray for The Bishop and his Wife.and with our eyes will see a manifestation of our Prayer's
From:
wisdom
2005-10-03 18:56:09
To:DWCOM, thank God for You!!!! because I don't have the time to deal with the "Minister's Wife" on today!!!!! much prayer, much prayer!!!!
From:
minister wife
2005-10-03 20:40:07
No I did not have drink today and I was not trying to be funny !!! I know that the Lord has a purpose for the Bishop's Life. and he is too will be tested, DWCOM I lot of Pastor's are able to help others ,but are in denial when they are under attack. I went to a coference of ministers wives a few years back and was able to speak to a wife who's husband is World renown and he ws helping others as he battled with his on addiction to women.. maybe God 's last test is in place in order to establish him,to move into his purpose , Sorry if I got carried away
From:

2005-10-03 20:47:59
srry it's he too will be test , I WENT TO A CONFERENCE. God wants Bishop , I like Bishop but truth is more important .Pray for Him
From:
MR.LA
2005-10-03 20:53:00
WISDOM do you disagree with the Minister's wife or do you just dont have time today? Y
From:
MR.LA
2005-10-03 20:59:42
WISDOM do you disagree with the Minister's wife or do you just dont have time today? You are usually the voice of Wisdom, I agree with her as does DWCOM and I love The Bishop . I got on my phone and called all the 'GIRLS' at his Church who would know what's what. YES THEY ARE TALKING !!!! No HE DID NOT INTRODUCE HER,BUT SHE WAS THERE !!!!!! I won't say anything but lets pray for him and that God only allows his members to see him in a light that Glorifies him. Minister wife you're on fire for Jesus Girl!!!!!
From:
######
2005-10-03 21:27:52
Mr. LA: I also checked with someone who personally knows Bishop Jones and was told that whoever this woman is, she is DEFINITELY NOT his girlfriend. It's just gossip and speculation as I suspected.
From:
######
2005-10-03 21:45:15
Bishop Jones has lots of platonic female friends.
From:
######
2005-10-03 21:55:47
You know, I certainly don't know how true it is, but if it is the case....I just don't think that the Bishop exercised much wisdom here. I thought the female was crazy showing up with him at church not even being introduced as his fiance, but just known as his girlfriend. What a terrible position to be placed in. Not only that...what about all people he will cause to stumble bring a girlfriend to church. That's almost as crazy as someone getting marryed a week after their divorce is final.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-03 21:58:20
I guess I'm not doing well on the internet tonight.......You know, I certainly don't know how true it is, but if it is the case....I just don't think that the Bishop exercised much wisdom here. I thought the female was crazy showing up with him at church not even being introduced as his fiance, but just known as his girlfriend. What a terrible position to be placed in. Not only that...what about all people he will cause to stumble bring a girlfriend to church. That's almost as crazy as someone getting marryed a week after their divorce is final. He may have lots of platonic female friends, but he sure has to be careful how he sports around with them....let not your good be evil spoken of.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-03 22:10:24
I'm just curious...with all of the divorces within the Body of Christ within the past few years among very public people (Yolanda Adams, Fred Hammonds, Clarence McClendon, Bebe Winans and Hezekiah Walker) Why is it that we (Christians) make marriage work?
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-03 22:11:39
I forgot Carman.
From:
######
2005-10-03 22:32:08
Yolanda Adams got a divorce?! She is hosting TBN tonight. I remember reading an article about her in Essence a few years ago touting her marrige and family life....proves my point from earlier posts, marriage is obsolete!
From:
Mr. LA
2005-10-03 22:35:39
He used bad judgement. DWCOM Most Christian don't wait on a confirmation they get hot and run to the Altar like Yolanda ,and learn to late that they are unequally Yoked. Heziakiah needs to just stop period. Pray for the Bishop
From:
######
2005-10-04 00:06:54
TO Mr. LA: What do you mean "he used bad judgement"?
From:
SOUL WRITER
2005-10-04 01:02:26
======================================= Furthermore, a man of such excellent caliber, integrity and character would not bring a woman to the house of God, dedicated to God that God blessed him to head and not introduce her to his family. It just would not be good manners for a gentleman. And just as he most likely publicly thanked God for the blessing of the church, he will in due season publicly thank God for the suitable mate he has been waiting for. IT’S JUST GOOD MANNERS TO SAY, THANK YOU!! ====================================
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-04 02:17:24
######, It the bible obsolete??? Surely, the bible isn't obsolete and holds a high regard for marriage. It just seems that Christians have a hard time making marriage work and I don't think that "I married the wrong person" is grounds for getting a bibical divorce. Of course, society allows us to get a divorce for anything, but doesn't the bible (God) say until death do us part? Is it okay to get a divorce if you feel that God didn't put the two of you together? Most people I know who have gotten divorces will say "what god has joined together". Truly now, what is the standard for Christians today??? If I get married and I'm just unhappy should I be stuck for life??
From:
######
2005-10-04 02:30:36
TO DWCOM: Of course the Bible is not obsolete; It's as relevant as ever. Really, I am being sarcastic. I think the truth is that WE (society, inluding Christians) have become totally selfish and self-centered. We do not put God nor our mates first. If we did, most marriages would last. I know I tend to seemingly oversimplify things, but, that's my take.
From:
MrLA
2005-10-04 08:47:29
I could not rest ,until I found out what this was all about , the Bishop is too 'SPECIAL TO ME' So let me put the fire out once and for all. From what I hear I hear ,there was program at the Church and Gorgio seemly said this women is Bishop's friend. and because she was unknown to the member thet just 'Panic' and added the word girlfriend , nobody at anytime saw them together or was told she was his girlfriend .fiance, Child, see Church folks need to stay prayful. I'm glad that everybody wants 'THE BEST' for the Bishop but these rumor Hurt not help , Bishop isn't stupid enougH to Jeopardize his Life and Walk with Christ for a piece of TAIL.. !!! Stop Hating !!! lIFT UP THE BISHOP HE'S TO VALUABLE TO THE KINGDOM FOR THIS KIND OF MESS!!!!!!
From:
Mr LA
2005-10-04 09:09:18
I don't know about your third sentence from the bottom??? Christian men do some desperate things when they are dealing in this area and then will have the nerve to place blame on the woman when it was them all along. Bishop Jones isn't exempt from this because he's a Bishop. Nevertheless, we do need to lift him up!!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-04 12:42:47
to minister's wife, that is beautiful!!!! what a testimony!!!
From:
Mr La
2005-10-04 13:01:28
someone left a posting in my name by mistake , I guess you were trying to ask me something about third sentence fro the bttom ,Anyway it's overI agree with the miniters wifw if we stop feeding into what these people want then it will stop,, Idon't think marriages are obselete ,I just don't think people take their vows seriously anymore, preachers need to put the fear of God back into Preaching.ALTER Calls for couples a liot of married men are in Church pretending to be single,, telling their wives 'Go ahead ,while I park the car. It's no longer looked down upon by some to be sleepimg with a married man.. When I was living in SIN I slept with Many and most of them were from my Church/ WHEW!!!!! and I'm suer some of these same men were not only sleeping with me but with other men ,as well as women , thats why AIDS is alive. It has to start in the pulpit men don't respect thier wives because a lot of men marry today because SHE HAS a Car , She has A HOME, SECTION 8 or otherwise and it's nothing more than a thing of convience,, True God given or God Blessed unions or still AWESOME and Lasting ,, Some people get married just to have a party , look at STAR JONES who did her pre- martial counseling ????? what did her Pastor's tell her . Pastor's have to get back to 'thus said the Lord.These are the last Days I think. Stand on Scripture the pastor's now are too busy trying to get their pictures taken to tell someone else How to live a Christian life. We 've got to bring the Church Back to BASICS ,, DO'and DON'T NO MATTER WHO IS OFFENDED !!!!!!! God Bless you Ministers wife,, and an early HAPPY Anniversary !!!!! many happy returns of tha day1
From:
wisdom
2005-10-04 13:09:36
I agree with Mr. LA, marriage is ministry (we have been called to minister to our spouses) and in any ministry there will be some issues, but you have make a decision to be in it for the long haul. I believe "What God ordains He will maintain"!!!!
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-04 13:16:07
Mr. LA...I apologize that was me. I was trying to direct my response to you and instead I put your name in the wrong box. Working to fast. People do enter marriage for convenience, but I just don't understand taking the world's way of thinking when it comes to marriage and the jumping in and out of marriages. It's at the point where saying you're a christian is just a cliche. Ministers wife what a wonderful testimony!
From:

2005-10-04 17:31:04
Laugh with each other, Kiss for no reason, say 'I LOVE YOU' and mean it Spend time with friends and other couples who are saved, Don't lie to each other. (try not to lie at all). Build each other up !!! and Pray some more
From:
wisdom
2005-10-05 12:01:45
to Mr. LA: All of us were born "something"!!!! with issues, and God had to rescue us from ourselves !!!!THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO BE BORN AGAIN!!!!! God is already using you, so it will be easy for Him to increase your anointing and power!!!!!! Just move forward, thats all any of us can do!!!! Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath BEGUN a good work in you WILL perform it until the day of JESUS CHRIST: Phillipians 1:6 I agree with the minister's wife, you are/will be mightily used by God, because he needs people like you, open, honest and sincere and earnestly seek to live holy and walk upright!!!
From:
Mr.LA
2005-10-05 12:53:24
Thank you Ministers wife and Thank you Wisdom . I will try to be the Best that I can with what I have, to work with.and keep on praying ,,I just THANK God that what I use to be !!!!!
From:
MR. LA
2005-10-06 08:19:48
T hanks Soul Writer- If you noticed I did not refuse The change of name,that's what wrong with a lot of people , they try and fight God's Will in their lives. Man born of a woman has but a few day so ,I pray God's Speed in my Life. God Bless you SOUL Writer ,we've All been a Blessing to each other and I know that God's Hand was in it. To him I give ALL the GLORY!!!!!! and I will stay strong and you too
From:
wisdom
2005-10-06 11:10:02
to Alphonse: Hallelujah!!!!! I have been praying for y'all!!!!! I am so happy to hear that you/God came up with a reasonable solution to keep you in the Will of God.....May God continue to bless you and Dee!!!
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-06 11:14:00
Alphonse and Dee, Congratulations!!! Counseling is still a good idea. It will help identify the areas where you will need help in your marital relationship. The both of you are still young and have plenty of time, so there's no need to rush into the marriage. Again Congratulations!
From:
######
2005-10-06 11:42:51
Add another celebrity couple to the divorcing list: Babyface and his wife...see, marriage is obsolete.
From:
MR.LA
2005-10-06 12:30:15
####### I'm glad God has delivered me from GOSSPING because I could tell you something ,right About now . I will say this Marriage is not obsolete but in Hollywood sometimes , Black people try to do what white people do . , Make marriage a business. They set up certain girls to go after their big money clients to make sure they don't marry the right girl and tey lose their control.. In exchange they set them up high and cause their empire to prosper and sometimes the ' White' boys are still sleeping with the wife... Black folks have got to get back to Christ for real !!!! and that's quick fast and in a hurry !!!! Look for more to crumble. but .it's not against real marriages , some things we think are real marriages are nothing more than a cover up for something else and I know that for a fact
From:
Alphonse and Dee In Texas
2005-10-06 12:41:43
Sometimes we pray for something to come along.Only to create a reason why they are not the right one. Thank You DWCOM AND WISDOM I can fell y'all Love ,, It's going to last I just know it
From:
SOUL WRITER
2005-10-06 12:42:29
======================================= Thanks Mr. LA and Thanks Be To God! Wow, God definitely looks out for His own, and we are to be victors in Christ, not victims. Sometimes I am viewed as a bit radical, but being radical for Christ is a good thing, and excuse me if I have to go into some undignified PRAISE for all that He is, what He has already done and what He is going to do in the lives of those who truly love Him. “But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.” (1 Corinthians 2:9) SOUL WRITER ===================================
From:
SOUL WRITER
2005-10-06 12:44:18
======================================= Alphonse, many people have gladly interceded on your behalf. And since you have submitted to God, you have taken a path that is pleasing to Him for true success. And remember, in order to effectively lead as man in your future marriage, God must be your headship. Congratulations! And continue to seek God throughout this process. SOUL WRITER =====================================
From:
MrLA ,
2005-10-06 12:55:05
Sorry ,ALphonse and Dee ,I got carried away with the posting for babyface and Tracy ,, but You go Boy, not ony did GOD direct you , you obeyed.. How big is that Rock ,, chuckles??? I wish you lots of happy years together and I feel you will have them.
From:
Mr. LA
2005-10-06 13:41:38
Amen !!! Wisdom. Did you mean for that to rhyme ????? LOL. But you are so Right.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-06 13:59:22
Can anyone recommend another wonderful chatroom or website where I can fellowship with other Christans?
From:
wisdom
2005-10-06 14:00:04
to Mr. LA, well I guess I'm a poet and don't know it!!!! LOL but yes that statement did rhyme, but its the truth anyhow!!!!!
From:
Mr.LA
2005-10-06 14:30:05
DWCOM.Sorry I don't
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-06 14:56:46
Mr. LA, Thanks! I've enjoyed the thread discussions here with You, Wisdom, Minister Wife, Soul Writer, Alphonse and ###### even though ###### plays the devil's advocate at times LOL! I just thought you all were familiar with others!!! Have a wonderful day!
From:
######
2005-10-06 15:38:54
DWCOM, thanks for getting that I am playing "Devil's Advocate". I like to provoke discussion because I enjoy hearing other peoples' point of view on issues. It's fun to look at things from the perspective of others, to me anyway.
From:
Mr. LA
2005-10-06 17:33:21
DWCOM. This not the Amazing Race or som Reality Show. I have NO!!!!!!! idea who any of these people are.You seem to know a lot about my church and that may seem as if we know each other..We don't If it seems Orchestrated then it was by GOD .. The help that I've received on this line is REAL... I know you're moving on but don't go thinking that this is not REAL !!!!!! BLESSINGS TO YOU 1111 YY
From:
Mr. LA
2005-10-06 18:03:20
It' been fun and a blessing and everyone seemed to be kindred spirits .including you DWCOM. It's been a wonderful experience but I never thought this was a Christin Site. God Bless you All
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-06 19:12:35
Mr. LA..No, I don't know a lot about your church. I know who the pastor is, but not personally and don't know anyone personally who attends there. The praise and worship leader at your church is widely known and the departure was no secret neither were the deaths of the parents. The internet makes this a small world and we all probably live in different parts of the county. I guess this is what it will be like when we get to heaven. Initially, when I first started reading this thread, I thought that it was the site from HELL. LOL! Then, it began to turn around a ministry started occuring. Oh, I do believe that this was orchestrated by God and what some people meant for bad God meant it for Good. Not only for you Mr. LA, but for people who logged in and will watch Bishop Noel Jones now even if it's even if it just to see what he's all about. When they watch him, they will hear a word for God. I'll be checking back from time to time because I know that there are some who wish to do harm, but I love it when God turns things around!!!!!!!
From:
MR,LA
2005-10-06 21:08:15
Much Love QWCOM. I hear that if you type in keywwprd chat and enter things like B
From:
MR.LA
2005-10-06 21:15:33
Bible Study You may find a discussion. I know that you are trying to get into the word more, But this site is about one man his life and his Ministry,I don't how much longer it will be around, Child cause everything has been discussed
From:
######
2005-10-07 18:56:53
Everyone seems to be saying their goodbyes and leaving the room. Have we said all there is to say about Bishop Noel Jones?
From:
######
2005-10-07 19:39:51
LOL!
From:
sara NEW YORK
2005-10-08 10:24:44
GOODBYE EVERYBODY!!!! I think we should give him a rest! let'sw all meke a pack to meet back here the day after he gets married. Power of Love is good.My brother met a girl a fews months ago and the are engaged , he said why wait he knows she's the girl for him.
From:
MS OH
2005-10-08 13:45:18
To Mr. LA keep holding up the Bishop in prayer. He needs your support. Yes, It is TIME to change the subject matter.
From:

2005-10-08 22:20:10
MS Oh ,
From:
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2005-10-08 22:35:47
Ms.OH ,You are so right it is time to change but I must say to Mr. LA .I know that if it were left up to you The Bishop would marry Royality but that probadly won't happen, well she will be a child of A ' King' , The point you made about the Tennis shoes was cute and have true, yes for everything God made a mate ... But Jordan'a don't always marry Jordans Look at Micheal Jordan himself. who could be more different than him and Juanita, Kobe married a poor girl working in a Video store but when she needed to stand by him, God showed her how. Most men with money Do not Marry themselves in Female form. sure they may have a job or a career but they are rarely as successful as their husbands. A ForK Is a perfect mate for a Spoon I think I know what you mean , what ever The Bishop needs God has made a perfect Mate for him. no matter what we think .let's not get misled, just let her be saved and Bishop and God can figure out the rest. THE END
From:
.....................
2005-10-09 10:43:02
millions of women???? Man Bishop Jones must be the "Wilt Chamberlain" of the church???? LOL boy he should write a book...."Back then they didn't want me, Now I'm hot they all on me"!!!!!! LOL
From:

2005-10-09 10:52:29
Is Bishop Jones and Mike Jones the same person???? LOL
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-09 12:59:25
.....Thousands, hundreds, scores? More than one! A wife restricts you to one. Now he has freedom to have more than one.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-09 13:01:33
Who is Mike Jones?
From:
XXXXXXX
2005-10-09 15:14:46
+++++++++, Obviously you have no respect for God, yourself, women or life in general. And you are the one projecting your own feelings and warped mentality onto this Bishop. What you are suggesting is sick and false, and you are making the mistake of categorizing him as a false preacher. You need to get real and get a life!!
From:

2005-10-09 15:29:07
+++++=I will Bless Them that Bless ME AND i Will curse them that curse me ++++++ that's for you //The Bishop is nothing like Wilt Chamberlin and I could care less who mike Jones is , THE BISHOP IS NOT SLEEPING AROUND. I 'M GLAD THIS SITE HAS ENDED,, God Bless Bishop Noel JONES. AMEN
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-09 15:57:10
I am extremely blessed.
From:
XXXXXXX
2005-10-09 18:14:17
No, +++++++++, what is pathetic is how some people go from one site to the next making false and slanderous statements about people while pretending to be edifying with no sense of right or wrong. Therefore, you are not the one to comment on "Christian tone". Check yourself, for the truth is the light. THANK GOD THAT BISHOP NOEL JONES IS NOT A FALSE PREACHER!! SELAH
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-09 20:07:19
One last thing. Living a celibate isn't the easiest thing to do initially, but it is possible to live a celibate life with the help of the Holy Ghost. You definitely have to watch what goes into the eye and ear gates. There are moments, but you know what, you can find a whole lot of things to do for the Kingdom of God and find things to increase your life as a person like going back to school, learning and new hobby until the amnifestation comes for the mate. Be encouraged all the singles!
From:
=====
2005-10-09 21:22:00
+++++ You know nothing about The Bishop, I'm in a club that is made uo of celibates for Christ sake , there are people there who have been single and celibate for 20 years. I don't know what Bishop does, but I have talked to a lot of women who have been unsuccessfully in his face and I know if some had succeeded they would be talking ,I have heard nothing . so please move and leave this man alone, he is not a PHONY!!!!!!!!!!
From:

2005-10-09 21:36:37
=====, Could it be that you're hanging out in the wrong circle? Bishop Jones has never said that he has been celibate for 10 years.
From:
XXXXXXX
2005-10-10 00:15:37
+++++++++,you seem to very angry. BUT the conclusion of the entire mattter is this, The Word of God stands.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-10 00:37:58
I give up.
From:

2005-10-10 08:45:11
Thank God it has ended!
From:
................................
2005-10-10 11:35:11
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think Bishop Noel Jones uses language like that!!! at least not in the pulpit anyway!!!!! LOL
From:
wisdom
2005-10-10 11:47:38
the bible tells us to "cast" the devil out, not "cuss" the devil out!!!! LOL Boy, I leave for a few days and y'all is off the chain in this thang!!!!! LOL
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-10 11:48:12
If you are going to act as Bishop Jones' representative, I suggest you use better language.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-10 12:47:47
The language that has been used by some people is a shame. Well, brother or sister. I pray for you now in the Name of Jesus that you get control over your flesh and begin to learn and speak new words that will help you intelligently express yourself. Col 3:8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. I love you with the Love of the Lord!!! Get a hold of yourself and work on yourself!!!
From:
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2005-10-10 14:22:15
No the language I used does not represent The BisHOP, THE BISHUP IS AN UPRIGHT MAN , I just need to pray instead of react, there are so many preaher's doing wrong, why attack one that's trying to do right.I rebuke Satan in the Name of Jesus , and no I did not learn cussing from the Bishop. I learned tolerance. I'm working on myself.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-10 14:32:23
Good.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-10 14:33:34
Who is attacking him?
From:
sara new york
2005-10-10 16:35:02
Let It Go
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-10 19:56:52
=============, at least you realized where you errored and it sounds as if you remosefully acknowledged your error. It's okay to disagree and it's okay to even get angry, but not stay angry. Try not to let other people control you through your emotions. See, you're already a better person. Be encouraged!!!
From:
...............................
2005-10-12 12:50:00
He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool. Proverbs 10:18
From:
STOP THE MADNESS
2005-10-19 21:41:12
all of you people need prayer, just pray for the Bishop and know that he is saving and helping many lost souls. And as one of the posters said he does want a mate, and God as they said, oh MR. LA is getting her ready for HIM, not You. You. or YOU! Remember God said it is not good for a man to be along!! Just pray for him that he to get's his heart's desire soon!! As I pray that all of us do.
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2005-10-21 21:49:43
Bishop Jones is engaged.
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2005-10-22 13:00:41
how did YOU find out????? you're good!!!
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2005-10-22 19:33:58
The Bishop is not engaged. For one thing, he doesn't have the time. He is doing the work of the Lord. If this was so, I believe we would have heard it first from Mr. LA. He has much love for his pastor and wants to see him with a suitable helpmeet.
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2005-10-22 20:17:11
Bishop Jones is not Mr. LA's pastor, so he wouldn't know. The Bishop has obviously made the time for this relationship because he is engaged.
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2005-10-22 20:27:53
how do YOU know????
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2005-10-22 20:44:50
I know her. The relationship has been concealed from the public for obvious reasons.
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2005-10-22 20:59:17
well you're doing a good job at keeping their secret, hummmmm!!!!! LOL
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2005-10-22 21:03:09
Well tell us, what shes like???? tall, short dark, light,short hair, long hair, old, young??????
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+++++++++
2005-10-22 21:34:11
Well, I hope it's true. Once the man is married, maybe the rest of us can get along with our own lives!
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2005-10-23 00:13:06
I would like to encourage all the single sistas. Whomever the Lord has as your husband, no one else can have them. Not all persons are meant to marry. Some are gifted of God to remain single and satisfied with Him and Him alone. When a person is sold out completely to the Lord, He fills the void in our lives. We are no longer our own. Wait on the Lord and you will be blessed with the individual God has for you. You will not be disappointed with his selection. He knows what you NEED.
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+++++++++
2005-10-23 00:18:33
Amen. Thank you for the encouragement.
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DWCOM
2005-10-23 10:15:30
LOL! LOL! LOL! I don't know if I could put my friend's business out on the internet. Sounds like she didn't have good wisdom in sharing the information with you, especially if it is infact true. Some kind of friend you are I truly hope God exposes you if it is true. I would be surprised if this is true! Anyways..I wish the bishop well!!!!
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XXXXXXX
2005-10-23 11:46:15
If this is in fact true, what about loyalty in friendship? And whether true or false, what does the Bible clearly say concerning talebearing? “A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.” (Proverbs 11:13) “He that goeth about as a talebearer revealeth secrets: therefore meddle not with him that flattereth with his lips.” (Proverbs 20:19) “Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.” (Proverbs 26:20)
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2005-10-23 12:05:00
Go on tell us what she looks like, I mean you out here now, don't get scurrrrd !!!!! LOL What is she???? evangelist, prophetess, teacher, "regular old church gul" or what?????? we won't tell!!!!! LOL
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2005-10-23 19:56:46
He is engaged. The one you are talking about was never made public, was it? After the announcement, which will probably be soon, we'll see who was right.
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+++++++++
2005-10-23 20:11:13
Whoever this woman is, the pressure is on! She has a lot to live up to!
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Mr.LA
2005-10-23 20:44:03
I heard that the Bishop is acting like a Man in Love,I don't know if he's engaged but I do not think we will know about until it's a done deal. they will announce that they are married .I don't think he would be engaged to somebody who would break a promise to him and run her mouth to a friend who would blab it on te Internet.I hope he is and that they can have a MERRY CHRISTMAS..Ya'll need to stay out of their business and maybe things could work, I have no doubt that who ever he and God chooses will be able to handle the pressure.. Did he give her a ring,I'm sure it's AWESOME !!!!!! I'm sure she's a Cutee ,but there has to be more to her The Bishop is not Crazy. I will start attending his Church and make him my pastor when he get's married ,because I know she will be someone I like and she will like me, I need the touch of a first lady,she will have The Bishop's Heart and a Heart like the Bishop ,keep praying , I know I'am
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2005-10-23 21:26:07
Mr. LA I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOEL JONES BI9GGEST SUPPORTER , BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S ENGAGED BECAUSE HE IS TOO ARROGANT TO MARRY AND RUN THE RISK OF ALL THE OTHER WOMEN FLIRTING WITH HIM. HE WILL DIE A LONELY OLD MANE BECAUSE HE REALLY THINKS HE IS TOO GOOD FOR ANY ONE WOMAN. SOMEONE SAID HE WAS ENGAGED, BUT IT DID'T WORK OUT .IF THAT'S SO WHY KEEP PRAYING IF NO ONE WORKS OUT. HE DOES NOT WANT A WIFE BECAUSE IF HE DID HE WOULD HAVE ONE. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY IT DI NOT WORK OUT? EVERY OTHER MAN OF GOD CAM FIND ONE , HE MUST HAVE SOME DEEP ROOTED PROBLEMS
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+++++++++
2005-10-23 21:38:23
Whoa! Food for thought.
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2005-10-23 22:32:07
to=====, back up off the Bishop!!!! He can say a relationship didn't work out just like any of us can make that choice!!!! and that does not mean he is a difficult person!!!!! just SPECIAL!!!! Marriage is a life altering decision, he can't be just getting with anybody all willy nilly!!!! LOL I don't blame him, I would be picky too, if I had a world-wide ministry and didn't want another divorce on my record!!!!! There is nothing wrong with being a CHOOSEY LOVER!!!!! HIS LIFE AND MINISTRY DEPENDS ON IT!!!!!
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DWCOM
2005-10-23 22:57:25
...........so what you are saying is that it's alright to keep going around breaking off engagements??? If this is the case, something is definitely wrong. At the Bishop's age, you don't keep getting engage and breaking engagements. Most men in the church use this tactic when they want to test out the product first. I didn't say the Bishop is doing this, but something is definitely wrong if we have somany engagements at his age. Hum!!!
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2005-10-23 23:16:03
Has he really been engaged that many times????? I don't think thats wise....not if you publicize it anyway!!!! So engagement means you can test out the product???? Man, I been cheating myself!!!! LOL
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2005-10-23 23:19:30
The man may be afraid!!!!! we don't know what happened in his first marriage!!!! Maybe he is suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome or something!!!! LOL
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2005-10-23 23:30:31
What do you mean get over himself.....Oh he IS somebody very special!!!!! He the only man I know in America, that has a website that discusses his marital status!!!! LOL He be de only one!!!! LOL
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+++++++++
2005-10-24 00:29:59
It's pretty sad that his marital status means so much to so many people (women). I agree with Mr. LA, let's pray for him (and her!). They will NEED our prayers. When this marriage happens, there will be a lot of drama at his church!
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2005-10-24 01:41:27
Bishop's Prayer should be' Lord I want what you want,and I think then everything will fall into place. he's doing something wrong
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DWCOM
2005-10-24 02:25:55
++++++++, Pretty much the biggest thing will happen is everyone who was there for the wrong reasons will leave. This will leave room for the folks who are really suppose to be there. She just has to watch how she comes off to the congregation. He's been there 10 years by himself and the mother board or the pastor's aid probably has him really spoiled. If she does what he tells her to do intially, she will be okay. If she doesn't, it will be a mess!!! Somehow, I've got a feeling that it's going to be a mess.
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+++++++++
2005-10-24 02:48:45
It will be a mess no matter what she does. No woman he chooses will meet the approval of his congregation (unless she is old and ugly).
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wisdom
2005-10-24 06:22:50
to----- ======,You know how when you go to a restaurant, and you order something special and different, it takes a little longer for the waiter/waitress to bring your order out, because you were particular about what you wanted, e.g. medium rare, well done, etc. Just because its taking the Bishop a few years to get the "right one" doesn't mean he is "doing something wrong" necessarily. Special Orders take longer to prepare, burgers and fries come out quickly!!!!! LOL
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2005-10-24 09:06:44
WISDOM.IT WAS CUTE AND INTRIGUING ,7 YEARS AGO, BUT NOW IT'S PATHETIC. IT DOES NOT TAJE THIS LONG TO BET AN ORDER RIGHT. MAYBE H KEEPS SENDING HIS BACK. BECAUSE HE IS SPOILED AND FULL OF HIMSELF. IN A LITTLE WHILE THOSE WOMEN SITTING ON THE FRONT ROW BREAST WILL BE SAGGING AND THEY WILL BE OLD WOMEN. AND THE YOUNG ONES IF HE TAKES ONE WILL ONLY WANT HIS MONEY,AT THIS MOMENT HE STILL LOOKS NICE AND HAS SOME LIFE TO OFFER, HE SHOULD NOT WASTE TIME. WHO IN THE NAME OF LAZURAS , WANTS TO MARRY SOMEBODY JUST TO TAKE CARE OF HIM. HE HAS TIME NOW TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOME ONE AND IF DOWN THE ROAD HE BECOMES ILL OR SOMETHING , THEY WOULD HAVE A HISTORY AND SHE WON'T THROW HIM IN AN OLD FOLKS HOME. HE NEVER DATES OR AT LEAST NO ONE HAS SEEN HIM WITH ANYONE IN YEARS, SO IF HE IS SEEING SOMEONE WHAT MOST THAT DO TO HER SELF- ESTEEM THAT THEY CANT GO OUT IN PUBLIC, I STILL THINK HE IS ARROGANT AND DONING SOMETHING WRONG AND SINCE HE IS SO SMART HE SHOULD STOP AND FIGURE IT OUT BEFORE THE NEXT ONE GETS AWAY.
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2005-10-24 10:14:27
IS BISHOP ENGAGED OR NOT ???? 10 YEARS IS NOT RUSHING. WHY DID THEY BREAK-UP.IS IT, HE THINKS THEY ONLY WANT HIS MONEY ?
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wisdom
2005-10-24 11:23:48
to:DWCOM, only he will know when he is ready and obviously the time hasn't come. Anyway, he looks reasonably healthy, who's to say he won't end up having to take care of her!!!! and maybe he is waiting until the "fear" is gone. I don't know about you, but sometimes it is frightening when you think about you will be bound to this person for the "rest of your life hopefully", you want to be certain and sure you can stay and abide with them in peace. So it takes some people a long time to come to grips with making a final decision in this area. Especially when you see and hear all the nightmarish situations that other people of God have encountered in their marriages!!!! Its his life, if he wants to wait until he's 75 thats his perogative!!!! and trust me, some sistas will still take him and love him still!!!!
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DWCOM
2005-10-24 11:54:24
Wisdom...you're right, it's his perogative how long he waits, but it isn't right to want someone to take care of you after you wouldn't take care of yourself. You're right, some saved 30, 40 or 50 year old sistas will still take him at 75 love him, spend his money and leave his tail at home or with his children! LOL! I can relate to how frightening it is to be BOUND to a person the rest of your life and that may be the very reason that I'm still single today! LOL! LOL!
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Mother Shepard
2005-10-24 13:06:08
I seems as if he is afraid ,but God is the sender of every good and perfect gift.. If he was engaged he must have believed that Go had sent her, if he chose to reject her and look for someone else.then that's between him and God, now the God I serve has 'never' lost a battle. and when God says this is it ,then this is it. It sounds like he knows and for some reason he's trying to fight it. He won't be able to. I Declare right Now that God has heard and answered his Prayers. God who chose her also made him. continue to Pray for him and then reapeat the Lord is My light and my Salvation ,whom shall I fear ? and let it go cause it's already done
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wisdom
2005-10-24 13:24:19
we weren't saying that marriage is a burden, but you SHOULD enter it thinking that it is a LIFE decision. You can't replace that person unless you divorce again. This does not come without emotional trauma and torment!!! So I understand why people wait for a long time and are leary of joining their life. It easy to get in, but if you aren't happy, its not so easy to get out, especially if you are in mainstream ministry. and to ========, If the Bishop is on some sort of ego trip, the women have encouraged it!!! LOL
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2005-10-24 14:28:58
If we're going to e-mail...let's tell the truth.
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2005-10-24 14:46:24
Maybe someone misquoted him,, Eddie Long married first lady Vanessa and his Church Grew.. reality set in.. he lifted her up as to what he wanted in a wife and woman , and the others backed off...I have seen some of things women wear to Church, I don't know if Ghetto Rats believe that they have a shot at being The Bishop's wife or just wnt bragging rights to having bedded him.. either way he has to be careut. I don't won't to spread rumors but I think could stop the madness if when he is dating say Im dating he is human . why all the secrets and when they realize they don't stand a chance then they will concentrate on why they are really there.and his Church will grow and woman will still like him . on a different level. Then he and his wife will be living in their Purpose
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DWCOM
2005-10-24 14:58:27
========, Bishop Eddie Long's church was already growing long before First Lady Vanessa Long got there. A new church was already being built LONG before Lady Vanessa Long got there. Let's not talk hersay. Let's talk about what we know. I know this first hand because I was there at that time. That didn't stop the women and didn't stop Bishop Eddie Long from being tempted.
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2005-10-24 15:14:31
DWCOM,,BEING TEMPTED IS NOT A SIN YIELDING IS.. SHE'S THERE AND EVERYONE GOD WANTED THERE IS STILL THERE ,SOME LEFT AND CAME BACK... MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LIFTED UP IN THE CHURCH NOT ATTACKED.. AND YOUR POINT
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DWCOM
2005-10-24 15:26:47
My point is the church was going to grow anyways because that Bishop Long was doing what he was called to do. Bishop Jones' church is going to still grow whether he gets married or not because he doing what God has called him to do. Just because the Pastor is married doesn't mean the majority of his congregation will be married. However, the folks who are there for the wrong purpose will leave allow room for the people God has called to be there. The church doesn't grow just because a wife is present and women don't stop running after the pastor just because he gets married.
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2005-10-24 16:57:16
So Is HE ENGAGED OR NOT ?
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2005-10-24 17:46:42
Why does that matter?
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sara new york
2005-10-24 18:48:45
If he truly has found mate then she is not going to betray him by telling their secrets, She has to know the importance of being in his corner, I agree with those who say when we hear something, they will be married.and Thank God
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+++++++++
2005-10-24 19:35:22
She shouldn't tell her friends? I am sure his friends know.
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2005-10-24 21:34:23
There are too many of them up there in the pulpit the choir bringing him water and micro phones and Bible...Sit Down !!!! ..Have they ran Rev. Joe Robinson AWAY..it's just a matter of time
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2005-10-24 23:16:04
I'm saying it does not look right .
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ministers wife
2005-10-25 08:26:04
I wanted read my posting and I'm glad I did. The open door counseling does not apply to all..The are Exceptions and we know. That's where discernment comes in. DWCOM ..NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST BISHOP NOEL JONES CAN PROSPER SO----- IS WASTING IS TIME. Keep lifting the Bishop up in Prayer // starting today pray with me for three days and ask God to move right now in The Bishop's Personal and believe God for A Miracle !!!1 It's done Resist Satan and he will go away ... don't even feed into it ,
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sara new york
2005-10-25 09:45:11
Thank You, Minister's Wife. You make some good points ..I will be with you in Prayer for Three days for The Bishop and The Bishop Wife.
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ministers wife
2005-10-25 10:12:25
Hi Minster's wife .I thought of you on Sunday ,I 'watch' the Football Game LOL and wondered if any of your members were playing ,,Counseling some members with the doors opened is such good idea. and we need to give each other a chance to grow without judging. DWCOM Eddie Long's ministry is strong and I think he is more mature sinc he married she seems to be a source of inspiration to him , he speaks of her often,i don't The Bishop's Ministry or Marriage wiil suffer but grow and grow, because he is obedient and has done so much good. I'm praying three days.all day.. Do it Lord
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mother shepard
2005-10-25 11:54:45
Iwill pray at the top of every for The Bishop and his wife for the next three day
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JUST ASKING?
2005-10-25 12:13:59
1.) What proof does anyone have that Bishop Noel Jones is engaged or was recently engaged? 2.) When and where did he allegedly state he was recently engaged but it did not work out? 3.) If security observed a couple of women visitors at his church that happen to be attractive and one was wearing a St. John pants suit what does this prove? The Security staff simply doing their job? 4.) What gives any of you the authority to judge, pick or choose whom or what will be best for this man? 5.) And while prayer is good, if prayers are based upon hearsay, gossip, rumors and lies are they effectual unto God or amiss and out of the will of God? 6.) Does this Bishop tell people how to live their lives or does he preach and teach what the Bible says is applicable to all? 7.) Other than his marital status, what are some other things that can be discussed about Bishop Noel Jones on this site? 8.) Finally, why do you think he travels with armed security? Is it necessary because of some of the envious men and disillusioned women that have evil agendas?
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wisdom
2005-10-25 12:35:42
i meant to say "way OFF course" in my last statement!!!! sorry typing to fast, too much work today!!!! LOL
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+++++++++
2005-10-25 12:57:40
Just Asking, you asked a lot of good questions. This site is a preoccupation with Bishop Jones as a celebrity, rather than a messenger of God. Shouldn't we be discussing his messages, rather than his marital status?
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2005-10-25 13:28:17
WISDOM .THAT'S PROOF OF HIA ARROGANTS ,HE KNOWS WHAT HE WANTS,,, HE HAS ASK FOR GOD'S HELP IN THIS AREA, HE HAS STATED THAT MANY OF TIMES .. GOD SAID THAT HE WOULD SUPPLY OUR NEEDS NOT OUR SELFISH ARROGANT WANTS, He ha probadly miss out many of times .. too tall too short , too fat, too thin. Yall keep praying and at his funeral when he is 100years old- his obituary will read 'he leaves to mourn many a woman that he did not give a chance. he's arrogant and too selfish to share his life with one person// get REAL
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2005-10-25 13:31:17
Mr. LA, what limited information does security have on them? Was it the lite one or dark one security seemed to prefer? Which one (dark or lite) drove off in a Benz? What do they do for a living? Have either actually dated Bishop? Inquring minds want to know!
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wisdom
2005-10-25 14:25:42
to=======,can't we have our own personal desires too?????? The Lord said "if we delighted ourselves in Him he shall give us the desires of our heart". Ps. 37:4 I know that ultimately He gives us what is best, but I think when He blesses us, it will be to our satisfaction. He doesn't just throw something at us and say "deal with it" does He???? I think he takes our personal desires into consideration as well as HIS desires for us. It's all in His perfect design. Sometimes He will change our desires to fit His. but I don't think its anything wrong with us verbalizing what we would like. We all have "personal preferences". (cute in the face, little in the waist, tall, dark,handsome, anointed, appointed and double-jointed LOL!!!!!.) I know that the "inner man is whats most important, but I don't think you can be "too picky" when it comes to who you will have to live in the house with everyday!!! So Raise Up Off the Bishop!!!!! LOL
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2005-10-25 15:06:23
I always thought that He will give you the desires of your heart ...MEANT PUT IN YOUR HEART WHAT YOU SHOULD DESIRE,, GIVE YOU THE DESIRES OF YOURHEART,NOT YOU SAYING YOU WANT, I WANT AND GOD SAYING OK THAT 'S WHAT YOU DESIRE.. GOD KNOWS BEST.. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME IN ALL THESE YEARS IN THE CHURCH OF ALL PLACES.......NOBODY HAS HAD A DECENT INSIDE,, B.S.. TH BISHOP IS ARROGANTAND SELFISH.. AND FOOLIH CAUSE HE'S THE ONE MISSING OUT
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DWCOM
2005-10-25 15:15:21
======, What is your REAL beef with the Bishop?
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wisdom
2005-10-25 15:17:04
you are starting to sound like a "jilted lover!!!! LOL Is there a specific time frame on when He should have found the one????? I can identify with the Bishop!!!! If it doesn't feel right in your spirit, and you think you should move on....then who's to say you are not doing the right thing by Moving ON???? Its His life!!!! We know ourselves better than anybody (except God)!!! So a heap see a situation, but few really know what the deal is when an individual chooses to remain single...there could be a lot of factors involved.....1) fear, 2)still in love with ex....3) just down right enjoy the single life and don't have to be accountable to nobody but GOD, and the IRS of course!!!!!
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wisdom
2005-10-25 15:21:03
========, my last post was for you, I forgot to indicate that!!!! Love ya
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DWCOM
2005-10-25 15:31:44
Wisdom, and if any of your factors are true, the more reasons for him to be honest with God, himself and stop the madness.
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wisdom
2005-10-25 16:13:07
to: =========, DWCOM, y'all make it seem like he is being deceptive or something. or playing some type of game!!!! some people are really particular about who they marry when they have been a victim of a failed marriage!!!! He maybe honest with God, and is still in the healing process, and every now and then he thinks he ready to commit again, but later realizes he's still not ready......its possible. But, I did hear him say in the message "Power of Love" that he was immature in his first marriage and they woke up one day with "issues to the ceiling".....so maybe the first marriage was so traumatic that he has become very cautious....and I understand that. Sometimes we don't know how hurt we are until someone else reminds of those old wounds during the dating process.....that could be the reasons for the broken engagements (if they in fact took place???)
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wisdom
2005-10-25 16:38:09
to Mr. LA, I wasn't saying that was the case, because none of us know. I was just mentioning some "possible" reasons why people delay marriage. If he was still in love with his ex and they reconciled, that wouldn't be such a bad thing........At least he would have the comfort in knowing that "she wanted him when he was just a regular ole guy". and No New Territory to discover there!!!!LOL
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DWCOM
2005-10-25 17:17:16
Wisdom, I don't think that the Bishop is doing anything intentionally. I do feel that he wants to move on and is trying to move on, but is stuck and only God and the Bishop knows why. I can identify with the example you used about him thinking that he's ready and then finding out he's not, but how many times does this have to happen? There nothing wrong with being cautious, but all of the women he has dated have been bad...can't be. Unless he has the knack of picking the wrong type of women!!!! I pray the Bishop works it out and works all the issues out before he weds again...even if it is his exwife and I really think he will probably go that way once he puts his pride aside.
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2005-10-25 17:20:24
Mr. LA, your post about these women and Bishop's security staff made no sense. Is Bishop dating either of these women or not?
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2005-10-25 17:33:34
Also Mr LA, I question the reliability of your "friend" who knows the security person. I am sure Bishop Jones' security knows better than to discuss his personal life with church people...their jobs would be on the line!
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wisdom
2005-10-25 18:13:28
to DWCOM: just because the Bishop didn't choose anyone in the past doesn't mean the people were "BAD", they may be good people.... but not right for his life..... I agree Move On!!!!! A person may be great, annointed, attractive, sense of humor, financially secure and everything...but if they just don't fit who you are, and what you really desire in a relationship, then what???? can two walk together unless they be agreed? Amos 3:3 IT IS possible to wait and search for years and not meet that person you want to share your life with and come home to every night!!!!! (been there, done that, got the t-Shirt!!!!!) LOL
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ministers wife
2005-10-25 18:17:54
Hi Mr.LA ,You put your name in the wrong place , but I knew what you meant. No none of our members played Football on Sunday. This Bishop thing is getting to be too much. First , I think his wife was a lot older than him and if she had children, she probadly treated him like one them, that why in most of his messages he say , I'm not married because I don't want anybody telling me what to do , These words probadly still ring in his head and if he goes back to her it's to prove something that does not need to be proven, He should concentrate on trying to make a life with someone new and replace her harsh words with someones new words , sweet words. I agree All the woman could not be that bad.How long has his longest relationship been???? When I married my husband I had nothing .he was not guarded about bringing me into his home ,it's material . today we live in a bigger better home ,in a better neighborhood and we own property and several business, sure most of the money was his ,but I had the know how to do the things that needed to be done and ,which left free to preach. I had no car and he bought me one before we married because he knew that I needed o get around..one day he just gave me the keys and said look outside.he did not make me feel bad. That's what love does it causes you to trust. In order for it to work both parties must try. and do it as it's al;ready done, from the moment we started dating I conducted myself as his wife,and he liked that ,,we had no secrets and talked about our past and then said 'GOODBYE PAST' ,HELLO FUTURE. maybe Bishop is having a hard time saying GOODBYE.. It's like the hooker who leaves the Pimp and makes something good of herself... only to go back to show him,and have the abuse start all over again. Some wounds are very deep, If she mistreated him when he was poor ,she does not desreve him now ....but he probadly thinks in his head let me show you,, she does not sound like the first lady he needs,, God has allowed him to out grow her and he needs to accept that and say 'Hello' FUTURE.. Then and onlthen can he start a relationship, he probadly still calls her to help him make decision, that he sure be making with whomever he's seeing, just trying to stay connected . I pray with God's help he works through this before he marries again ,otherwise it'snot fair to his bride,,, he has to create new memories and when he doesthe old ones will fade away and so will the EX when she sees that he's happy, I pray that his new wife is strong and confident to handle any and all, and that what it will take to make The Bishop whole.. I claim it done in the most Holy name of JESUS!!!!
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MR. LA
2005-10-25 18:50:24
Good talk ministers wife, The ex may have a hook in him. and kows how to push his buttons. Wisdom.A doctor at my job can cure any thing , but his love life he was stuck and kept going back to his ex when something went wrong even just to talk and she messed him up more. she didn't want him back ,she just did not want to see him happy... Then one day this cute little nurse came in and she would not take no for an answer ,they started dating , he moved out of the house with all the memories and they married quickly and seem to be very happy today, It seems like his girlfriendneed to take control.. but he's never around how can he have a relationship and I believe he wants one.PRAY FOR HIM!!! Who ever said his Security is gossiping misread I said or as been know to say .Yes he is seeing someone and she 's a cutie... what's wrong with that?.
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2005-10-25 18:50:38
MR LA, did Bishop Jones say he was interested in and/or dating either/or both of these women? What makes security think he's interested in them?
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ministers wife
2005-10-25 19:12:04
Realtionships are give and take WISDOM, The two don't always agree. That's what makes us humans that's why on Saturday s I go to the Bookstores and buy books see my best friend who for years was sleeping with her ex husbands sweatshirt balled up under her head ,until she gave a REAL man a chance.. If The Bishop does not go out or have his lady friend travel with him , when do they see each other, who does he bring to social affairs ???? Something is onesided here. They may be Movin on' but he seems to be stuck. I will pray for him at every free minute..Lift him up .he helps so many. God send him some help, please
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2005-10-25 19:16:38
MR LA: He's seeing "someone"? I thought there were "two"? Is he seeing both of them and having them both come to the church? If so, that's tacky!
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wisdom
2005-10-25 19:29:48
to ministers wife, I'm just sharing what God's Word says.....I realize two people are not going to "agree" on everything, but there should be a feeling of "communion" there and a oneness of thought between two people who are attempting to build a life together. I think they should share similiar faith beliefs and share similiar basic beliefs about life in GENERAL..... After all they gotta come out of the bedroom sometime LOL, and make life decisions about property, money, vehicles, church, travel, healthcare, and buncha other stuff. So you need to have some type of spirit of agreement and fellowship with someone you're going to live in the house with everyday and trust with your life!!!!
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Ministers wife
2005-10-25 20:06:04
Wisdom .It's not that hard when you love each other, we have time when I sit under him like we are glued together or vice-versa and there are times I stay on one side of the house because i know he needs space and so do I. We became friends so if I wanted something and he gave me a good reason for saying no , I say o.k honey Sometimes I have an opinion but we do not have fights ,,part of the deal as to submitt. Marriage is the BEST thing that can happen to two people who are ready .. If your wife respects you, and you respect her ,you will learnto trust each other with your long life together. communion is nothing more than sharing ,,everything if one is a talker ,he other starts to open up, the more you share the more you want to share ... Every year my Husband wants to vacaion in Hawaii. guess what we vacation in Hawaii.. why because I know that he is acreature of habit, he has learned two Islands and feels at home there,, I don't even ask anymore ..I love him... There's someone to love the Bishop the same way I'm not so rare.. Some one said he felt he needed to go back and fix something, he sounds like a man that's a perfectioness,, In the Christisn Walk some things were not meant to go back and fix ,, you just needeed to go throught it .. I hope he finds a great GAl that's understands it's not her and help him work thru it. The ex may have attacked his man hood and he could be messed up in the bedroom. he needs a wife who is aggressive. mr.la says it differently lol Someone mentioned the Bynum/WEAKS lol tHEY certainly don't have a perfect marriage .but it works for them and they are not alone.. The Bible says Its not good for Man to be alone.. especially this Special man of God.. Move the FEAR LORD From his Life !!! GIVE him what he needs .
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wisdom
2005-10-25 20:13:00
to minister's wife: i know its not that hard when you LOVE someone.....but, first you gotta get to that point, where you love them!!!! LOL I think thats where the problem lies for the Bishop and a lot of others!!! THE ABSENCE OF LOVE!!!!
From:
ministers wife
2005-10-25 21:27:22
WISDOM; It'so Good lovin somebody and somebody loves you back. You get to that point by doing thing together, and missing them when you don't. I love the way my husband looks at me, the way he looks at no other. When I Agreed to submitt, some things I allow from my husband , no one else would dare. When I'm not home my husband says it feels larger and empty and yet I know there are some times he wants me gone and I go , I have a girlfriend ,we go tothe movies or lunch but some movies I want to see with my husband and we may go at midnight ..give and take.. HE loves cars we have a few .I'm not a car person and he's constantly telling me Please don't rub this car with a rough rag like you do the others lol, he has friends they come over .he requested that I hang around when they are there at first I would disappear, he explain that one who is single needs to understand that we are one..because it would say things like 'i met this girl and man.you should see some of her girlfriend.. once it was establish that our marriage was for real ..he does not talk like that anymore and I come and go as I please when his friends are over, he now says 'I want you to meet this lady and tell me what you think. my husband does not like milk I love it , when he goes to the store he picks it up without me telling him.. I shut up in the recreation room and turn on the secular music sky high and dance, at first it use to bother him until I explain to him that it was therapuetic. he does not disturb me when I'm in there, sometimes now when I start to get on his nerves he says 'baby I think you need to go lock up.lol I don't bother him when he's working on car or with his freinds at car shows that their time........ WHERE is the love ? Right at your finger tips if you want it.,it's not absent it's just not being used
From:

2005-10-26 01:10:35
DWCOM: No need to apologize or repent. You were only commenting on what Bishop Jones' has put out there for public consumption, including his ex-wife who he brings up during almost every sermon. MR. LA has blinders on when it comes to Bishop Jones.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-26 03:44:11
...Just Asking?, are you Bishop Jones? Sounds like something he would say.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-26 04:22:51
to minister's wife: I'm not saying that love does not exist in the world any more!!!! LOL but, you have to grow to that point in a relationship and develop love for each other....it does not come "over night" for most of us .....You have to get to know a person, so you will know a little about who you are loving.....didn't you find out a little about the "minister" before you fell in love with him???? and the things you learned and qualities you saw, sparked love??? I think once we begin to know and recognize certain qualities in a potential mate, that's when we usually begin to love....and then we begin to give and take and become "flexible", make sacrifices and begin to walk in "agreement" with each other, because we feel the relationship is "worth" the sacrifices that we will have to make...this process takes time.....sometimes we decide early during the dating process that some people have qualities that we just can't commit to loving them for the rest of our lives...LOL and like I said it takes time to get to the know a person to love them, so if you don't have the time, or take the time, you may make a hasty decision to move forward or end a relationship prematurely.
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-26 10:33:05
+++++++, no, I am not the Bishop, but I have done extensive research. In other words, although I have not conversed with him, I have taken the time and used the many available resources to learn some basic and important facts concerning the life and character of this man. During my research I have learned there are so many good things about him that outweigh the negative and reveal he is not perfect, yet he is far from arrogant or selfish. Whenever, there is a strong man, particularly of African decent that walks to the beat of a different drummer as a public figure, he is often misunderstood. But before I allow others to form my opinions for me, it is my responsibility to stay clear of speaking what I do not know. I have researched and studied the lives of other public figures, including: MalcomX, T.D. Jakes, Eddie Long, Martin Luther King,Jr, Sidney Portier, Denzel Washington, Michael Jordan, Fredrick Douglas and others. THANK GOD THESE BROTHERS WERE AND ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE OF THE PLIGHT OF MANY BLACK MEN IN SOCIETY!! THEY ALL STOOD OR STAND FOR SOMETHING AND THAT MEANS EXCELLENCE. It is not odd that people are intrigued with the Bishop, and it is fine that people can freely post their opinions, but it’s obvious that some people are simply gossiping without any basic knowledge, and some have been malicious and tried to cover it up as mere discussions.
From:
Mr.la
2005-10-26 10:41:28
Listen yes I think highly of The Bishop but I at no time intended to spred rumors or gossip .. I did not post He was engaged ,,but I hope he is His Security force I hear is very loyal to him and probadly want to see him with someone right for ,him I'm sure that they are faced with Questions about his person life and for the most part they don't answer' what I said semi in humor was between one of them and a faithful member who has nothing but love for The Bisho. so if they said he had his eye n someone and she was a cutie ..So What???? , he is Human , That could be anybody.. they are not disloyal to him they take good care of him and seem to enjoy it and take it seriously.. I'm sure they would like to see him with a woman that they think would make him happy and they see him in hi celebrity and inter acting with everyday people so I guess they have some concept or the type of Lady he needs .. anything I've said that was taken as spreading rumors or maliciouis gossip or putting someone's life in jeopardy was misunderstood.. Iwish nothing for the Bishop but God's Happiness,,, and yes Ministers wife I too am still praying this the 2nd day for show of God's perfect Will for his life.. Do it Lord ,please
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DWCOM
2005-10-26 11:18:56
I think we're all grown and intelligent enough to know what gossip is (even if we didn't intentionally mean for it to turn out that way) and if we were doing it, but I'm not sure if we all are mature enough to admit it and repent from it. Decreetly, yes. Publicly, that's a different story.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-26 11:29:35
Please Lord, send this man a wife, if it is your will.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-26 11:33:57
Lord, more specifically, please send Bishop Noel Jones a wife, if it is your will.
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wisdom
2005-10-26 11:39:57
to minister's wife: I don't think the Bishop is making excuses for not committing......I just think, when you have a lot at stake (ministry, reputation, happiness, peace, emotional security and financial stability) you are more cautious about joining your life.....that's why people came up with the concept of "prenuptial agreements". I'm not saying its right, but, when you are already well established in life, you tend to be more "careful" about joining your life. Its not excuses but, "apprehensions".
From:
MR. LA
2005-10-26 12:31:32
Wisdom when he finds or accepts the one God has for him ...he want need a prenuptial.. because she want be after what he has , she will love and cherish him and want to please him, he may be too guarded of his material things .. My husband had wealth and with me we have aquired more wealth but those things mean very little to us it is our love for each other that substains us ,,ther was no discussion of pre-nuptial we went in this for life. If he was engaged and there Is a split Is it a dent??? or is it totally wrecked??? If it's a dent I hope that they repair it// but I can't help but think that The Bishop has to take some responsibility for waht's going on in his life , If he's afraid he my not be allowing the neccessary time needed to nourish and nuture his relationship .. what happens to the gal if she's trying ..all these things he has to consider,, LOVE can't be selfish.. It could be that they aree just taking a time out and that's o.k. if they both have agreed on that . still Praying..he is in his Season. Wisdom I think sometimes we put too much thought in to what people think..I still say excuses not reasons.....He may need to make some changes as to how he values his mate,,she is going to give up her privacy to be with him,, there are times her feelings are going to be hurt... I don't care if she's drop dead gorgoues she's going to hear people criticizing her, and she won't always tell him.. she will lock up and cry through it because she knows that he's dealing with things more important.. she may be afraid of the DEAD BUT as his mate ,she will have to staand with him in Mortuararies while he comforts families, she has to listen to lise and rumors about him,,,she has the pressure of looking stunning even when she doesn't feel stunning, she has to visit the sick, she has tobe awaken late nights because a member has problems and needs to talk to him,,she has travel when he preaches out of town and adjust their home accordingly.. she has to sit every Sunday and be eyed while some should be listening to the sermon are checking her every move out,, she has to shallow sometimes when she wants to speak ... she has to take care of his needs... being a ministers wife is MY LIFE .. but if any Ministers thinks he's doing some Gal a big favor by choosing her,, The door swings both ways///
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wisdom
2005-10-26 12:50:15
To ministers wife: I agree with what you are saying, she will have to sacrifice a lot too. I'm just saying that when you are already well established and doing very well by yourself, you are more apprehensive about who you share your life with. It has to be a definite addition to your life, because what would be the point if the person does not improve your quality of life??? I didn't say he needed a "pre-nupt", I'm just saying, when you already "got it going on", you take more time to choose a mate!!!! you want someone that is sober, sound minded and stable!!!! The more "successful" an individual is, the more "choices" they have!!!!! LOL and I'm not being arrogant, but when life is already "GOOD", you tend to be very careful about "WHO" you let in. Not to say you want let them in, you're just choosy!!!! LOL
From:
Mr.LA
2005-10-26 13:35:04
Ministers wife,,SHINE ON ME . Shine On ME.... Girl I never thought of the things first ladies have to deal with ,,, somebody said The Bishop was already Whole when Church folks refer to wives or husbands as better havlves? I remember saying that your husband was not one of the 'SUPERSTAR' pastors... well he probadly should be,,, you are an inspiration to me and I'm tryig to grow
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wisdom
2005-10-26 13:43:19
to minister's wife: I'm not just focusing on material.... I feel if you can come home and have peace, and enjoy your single life, you might put a lot of thought into getting married, especially, if you have been a victim of a failed marriage. and if you have a ministry/business/job which requires you to travel, and you can come and go as you please, then marriage may be a great sacrifice. Do you think people can be "happy" single??? or are all single people "miserable"....LOL Because I see, and have seen the power of God and the anointing working in Bishop's ministry, and the whole time he was "single" and he doesn't seem "unhappy"!!!! I'm all for marriage when it adds quality to your life and helps you reach your purpose that God has designed for you. But, just to get with a person, because people "think" you have been single too long, I don't know about that one.....Do you think the Bishop's ministry has been hindered in any way because he is single??? I think he is a great testimony and example to single people!!!! LOL
From:
sara new york
2005-10-26 13:53:42
ministers wife ,At first I thought that Bishop Noel Jones had it going on and an girl should be happy, after reading what you go throuh ministers should kis their wives butt all day. The only thing he seems to have is the church, when does he haw fun ? HE AIN'T LIVING ,, You sista girl is living lol
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wisdom
2005-10-26 15:47:12
to minister's wife: I think thats where a lot of people make a mistake...If you are single and you are in the Will of God, you don't have to be alone!!!!! I know he has family and friends. and who are we to say that the fact that he is "single" is not God's Will for his ministry at this particular time??? I think his ministry has been a blessing for single people, because he has been transparent and shares how to navigate thru the pitfalls of the single life and be successful. Do you think he could have had a successful marriage at the rate he travels all these years???? Do you think everyone in ministry should be married??? Who will be the examples to the single and un-married???? I think the single life is different, when you are successful and complete........
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MINISTERS WIFE
2005-10-26 16:29:53
WISDOM BISHOP NOEL JONES IS NOT JUST SINGLE BEGGING GOD FOR A WIFE AND HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.. LEAVING PEOPLE TO WONDER WHY GOD HAS NOT ANSWERED HIS PRAYERS - OR IS HE REALLY SERIOUS,,, WHEN WE SAY HE'S CHOOSY WHAT HAS HE STATED THAT WE WANTED.. AND WHT EVER IT IS I CANT BELIEVE ,SOMEONE HAS NOT COME CLOSE,HE MAY BE FIGHTING GOD, BUT HE CAN'T IF GOD HAS TRULY SOMEONE FOR HIM HE WILL PACKAGE, AND REPACKAGE TO MAKE IT RIGHT AND SUITALBE FOR HIS LIFE . I DON'T THONK HE'S TAKING RELATIONSHIPS SERIOUSLY. HE'S VERY POWERFUL AND COULD BE CONTROLING.HOW MUCH SAY DO THE WOMEN HE DATE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THE RELATIONSHIP???. IS IT HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.. I PRAY GOD'S PERFECT WILL and that God sends him a mate that loves him enough to tolerate him lol
From:

2005-10-26 16:38:22
There are a lot of fish in the sea. What is the hoopla with one man? God told Elijah he had a lot prophets that did not bow when Elijah thought he was the ONLY one!!! The Bishop is single because he is enjoying being SINGLE.
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wisdom
2005-10-26 16:39:40
to ministers wife: yes, thats all we can do, is pray for God's Perfect Will to be done!!! But, you know (I'm speaking from personal experience)....When God wants you to do something.....HE knows how to "wear you down" and get your attention!!!! LOL And He will create situations to make you want what HE wanted for you all the time!!!! So, if that worked for me, I beleive it will work for the Bishop too!!!!
From:

2005-10-26 16:46:54
I am a single sista who enjoys being SINGLE. I don't need a man to make me whole. I travel all over this country by myself most of the time. I am not afraid. I love it. I think I am too selfish right now to marry. Don't get me wrong, I am a generous person, but not willing to share my life with anyone now. I don't know a lot about cooking and am not in a hurry to cook for any man regardless of how much LOVE I might have for him. I am not ready to wash anyone's unddies but mine right now. I am not the sit at home type. I don't want any man around me 24 x 7. I would want my space. I consider myself a jet setter. I love glamour. I am not high maintenace, but I do LOVE St. John. Sista's just enjoy life. When your God sent husband comes, it will more than make up for any regrets, etc. I have a good paying job, no children and I am happy.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-26 16:54:15
I am with ya sista!!!!! go head, go head!!!!
From:
mr la
2005-10-26 17:01:23
To Jet Setter and you are on this line why? because you want to meet Noel Jones. you just subnitted your resume in hopes some one can get it to him ..stop the madness.. I love St John ,,why say that do you think he bought st john for his lady friend, I doubt if the Bishop wife will have to do dishes or wash... Girlfriend where are you ???
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Single Sista
2005-10-26 17:01:47
For all you single sista that are desirous of becoming the Bishop's don't allow any brotha to size you up by your outside appearance. When Boaz came to his own field, he inquired about Ruth. Ruth did not inquire about him. She was out taking care of business. She did not have on St. John, but Boaz wasn't attracted to that!!! He saw her inner beauty. If the man can't accept you for who you are tell the brotha the single sista said get to steppin.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-26 17:05:49
Mr. La Enquiring minds want to know!!! LOL
From:
mr la
2005-10-26 17:10:18
To Jet Setter and you are on this line why? because you want to meet Noel Jones. you just subnitted your resume in hopes some one can get it to him ..stop the madness.. I love St John ,,why say that do you think he bought st john for his lady friend, I doubt if the Bishop wife will have to do dishes or wash... Girlfriend where are you ???he's in Los angeles .where everybody has a housekeeper.. even me...even you enjoy traveling and jet setting ,go get a ticket and get the hell off this line go some where met somebody,,, You sound like a Ghetto Rat to me and The Bishopneeds a lady. Take your too selfish self on a long vacation cause he last thing he needs is some one who admits to being selfih ,you can't cook . the poor man can't even get a fried balony sandwich from your phony behind..Take some of your money and buy you an ISland... If you are the type he's attracting I'm not surprised that he's still alone ..you are so transparent... you are so great.. when you are ready... marry yo self @#$%&&8 God send Bishop someone Sweet and real.. that loves him... Wisdom I agree with your last posting 100 per cent ,lord just do it !!!!
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-26 17:19:34
Mr La I came across this website like everyone else. I had a question. Lo and behold I never thought I would be reading all this STUFF. I guess you could say it just captivated me.To answer your question, I have no desire to meet the Bishop. What you consider my resume is just the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
From:
Ministers wife
2005-10-26 17:27:14
Mr.LA You are a mess..but you keep it real for The Bishop LOL. I too want someone sweet and real for him. WISDOM . Thatswhat i'm talking about... When God get's ready he knows where to find Bishop Jones and The Bishop wife and his will must be done and that's all that needs to be said on that ,.. Amen Do it Master
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Single Sista
2005-10-26 17:28:56
Mr. La I am one of the sweetest persons you would want to meet. I am too selfish for marriage. Don't take that out of context. We are discussing marriage. Persons who are selfish, are not ready for marriage. I admit that!!
From:
Mr.LA
2005-10-26 18:04:35
o.K Single Sista with your busy selfish self what's your Question... I still think you hope the Bishop can get a copy of your resume ,, you can't cook, clean .want to be by yo self and now that I've said The Bishop needs a sweet wife .. You're sweet..add phony and then we can talk.......sista I see right through yo behind ... Hurry Jesus !!!! Ministers wife one more day
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wisdom
2005-10-26 18:17:05
to Mr. LA, man you are off the chain....LOL In defense of Single Sista, I think she posted her "resume" to prove that you can be "successfully single", happy and content!!!! I don't think she posted that to try to get with the Bishop, she sounds like she's pretty head strung and her and the Bishop would probably need boxing gloves and referee!!!!! LOL
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-26 18:22:18
Wisdom Thanks, Yes I am somewhat head strong and yes some boxing gloves and a ref would be in order. LOL!!! Got to go on my way to Bible Study. Love you Mr. La
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-26 19:09:59
Mr. LA, you could moonlight as a profiler with the FBI you're so perceptive. I agree with you, single sista is perpetrating! Anyone really having it going on the way she described wouldn't have to advertise it. What was the point? What makes her different from any other single woman...oh yeah, the jet setting...right.
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wisdom
2005-10-26 19:11:20
to Mr. LA, I was trying to give her the "benefit of the doubt".....LOL But, only she and God knows her true motives!!!! LOL Yes, we must continually keep the Bishop lifted up, cause you don't ever know do ya!!!LOL
From:
Mr. la
2005-10-26 20:21:27
What would happen if God answered the Bishop's Prayersfor a wife and he decides he wants to be single..does he have free will ???
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-26 20:54:47
Of course he does. He has actually taught on free will. God doesn't make us do anything. Of course, if we love Him, we want to obey Him. And surprisingly, usually, what is His will for us turns out to be what's best for us. If God sends Bishop Jones a wife, I bet he'll take her.
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MOTHER SHEPARD
2005-10-26 21:22:13
Mr.La , Bishop Jones marriage is connected to his purpose. when he meets her he will know . and as the ministers wife said 'GOD'S WILL must be done !!!!1
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Single Sista
2005-10-26 22:03:50
Mother Shepard, Spoken like a true mother in Zion. My pastor taught on the promise that God made to Abraham and Sarah. Isaac the promised seed. The lesson dealt with waiting on the promises of God. My pastor taught you must evaluate the promise, participate with the promise and wait on God's Timing. God's timing is connected to His purpose. You are so right!! He also taught that the promise has process. This is what gets persons in trouble. We don't want the process, but we want the promise. You can either wait on God's perfect timing or take matters into your own hands. You must then suffer the consequences of your own actions.
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Single Sista
2005-10-26 22:11:30
Mr LA, I did read my bible tonight. I did attend bible study. I am very careful about what I say in the presence of God. I fear Him!! I respect and honor Him. I suggest you do the same.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-27 01:13:33
Single Sista, does that mean you're leaving? 'Cause sometimes we talk foolishness in this room...if you can't handle it...
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Mr/LA
2005-10-27 09:48:49
Lord 'HEAR' ny Prayer today
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DWCOM
2005-10-27 09:50:55
Whew! I can't remember who mention it, but someone mention something about us having freewill which brings up a recycled topic. Do We Chose Our Mates or is God Doing the Choosing? If God is doing the choosing, we don't have freewill.
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DWCOM
2005-10-27 10:01:31
Single Sista, you have same right as any of us on here has to enter your opinions. As you can see, everyone won't agree with you. We all come from different backgrounds and are in different stages in our Christian walk. Some of us my not even be Christian on here, but we all have the same right to enter our opinions. Don't let others or opposition deter you. You know who you are and God knows who you are. Let something roll of your back like it's rolling of a duck's back!
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wisdom
2005-10-27 10:37:55
to: DWCOM, I agree with the advice you gave single sista, because I really felt she posted "her resume" in response to the dialogue/discussion that we were having yesterday, about being "happily single, successful, satisfied and complete"....and even if she did have "other motives" thats her business too!!!! I think we all should be able to express our thoughts and points of view, some may take them the wrong way, some may be blessed by them!!! And as far as free will, I think God directs us through open and closed doors.....God may not specifically "choose" our mates, but I feel, He gives us favor with certain individuals......It goes back to what I stated earlier this week, I know that ultimately He gives us what is best, but I think when He blesses us, it is to our satisfaction. He doesn't just throw something at us and say "deal with it" ??? I think he takes our personal desires into consideration as well as HIS desires for us. It's all in His perfect design. Sometimes He will change our desires to fit His.
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wisdom
2005-10-27 11:22:43
Yep, wisdom I think so too. She was joining into the discussion which could have lead to more interesting discussions. She sound intelligent enough to know (excuse my english) that the Bishop aint even thinking about this website. LOL! I agree with what you said about God directing us through open and closed doors. When I look back over my life and think about someone that I was going to married and how that door was closed. I didn't know it was God at the time, but when I look back on that I thank God! What God was trying to get me out of...I was trying to hang in there. What's that song??? How I Got Over...my soul looks back and WONDER!! LOL!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-27 11:30:10
yeah, I've been there too!!!! about to joined my live with the Devil!!!! but, God stopped it, He wouldn't let it be so!!!" Bless His Name!!!!!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-27 12:12:09
to Just Asking: very good dialogue....I agree with that "hedge of protection". Because if God has a person "hedged" in for a purpose, no one can penetrate that "hedge".......And To: Mr. LA, I do realize that sometime you may lose contact with a person, and you both may grow through the process of time, and get together later....But, If God "closes a door", we better leave it SHUT!!!!!! cause only HE knows whats behind "door #1"!!!!! LOL and I believe "Man's rejection, is GOD'S protection"!!!!! LOL So when those doors close, or the relationship just doesn't seem to be going right, sometime God is trying to tell us something, and it would be to OUR advantage to listen!!!! LOL
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wisdom
2005-10-27 12:22:08
to++++++, He probably already knows who she is, and he is throwing comments out there to get the congregation prepared for her!!!!LOL Praise the Lord!!!
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-27 12:26:26
AMEN WISDOM !! A FRIEND OF MINE ONCE STATED, "WELL, YOU ARE DELIVERED AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!!" LOL. AND THIS SAME WISE FRIEND ALSO SAYS, "A FOOL DON'T KNOW HE IS A FOOL BECAUSE HE IS A FOOL." LOL.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-27 12:27:20
Mr. LA, Please go back and read her original post. She didn't address anyone in particular and when she did first address you with a one liner, it was jokingly.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-27 12:29:27
Wisdom, AMEN! Just Asking? Love the quote. I'll have to use both of those! LOL! LOL!
From:
Ministers wife
2005-10-27 12:57:30
Mr.LA /You're right baby she did single you out, and you are still a mess LOL/ Just Asking-No we did not put dditional products in the church bathroom. her problems exteds to her home which is not clean. WISDOM ; If God shuts a door ,that's if GOD shuts it not one of us out of fear or I want something better; The same if God opens a door , he said I'll open for you a door 'NO' man can close... so if it's God's perfect will it's going to happen no matter how many hedges you put up !! Some time it's a TEST Just asking. you mentioned wrongfuly worshiping ones spouse.. I don't think you can LOVE your husband or Wife too much ,as long as you both know that you love God more... people are often very interested in hearing. HORROR MARRIAGE stories but quick to not want to hear when people are happy.. we have a congregation full of happy married couples and are proud to be the Example for them .. Just Asking I think Bishop Noel Jones wife will be a bit of all the things you mentione.. She will love him not .
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wisdom
2005-10-27 13:11:29
to minister's wife: I thought we were talking about the "hedges" God puts around us, like covering us with HIS blood????? Not walls that we may tend to put up......Our walls can be penetrated, knocked down even!!!! But, if God has a "hedge of protection" around you, "can't nobody", go around it, up under it, across it, thru it or anything, until GOD'S appointed time!!!! Thank God for those "hedges", because "we all like sheep, have gone astray", and didn't have the intelligence or discernment, to protect ourselves, BUT those "hedges" kept us safe!!!! Bless Him!!!
From:
minister\'s wife
2005-10-27 13:17:49
because of but in spite of, She will Love him when he's right and love him when he's wrong. I said LOVE him not worship she can't be starry eyed...I think based on what his recen comments are .. They along with God may be working out, he has to explain things to her and prepare her, but some how base on what I know of him ..she has got to be one sharp cookie .or she would never have caught his eye.. The Chemistry just needs to kick in and Love sparks start to fly .. and to God be the GLORY !!!!!
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-27 13:18:48
Wisdom, this is correct and very much on point.
From:
minister\'s wiife
2005-10-27 13:41:07
WISDOM ;HEDGES OR WALLS IF GOD PUTS THEN UP AND NOT MAN...BECAUSE GOD KNOWS BEST ,,, SOEMTIME IT'S MAN/S DISOBEDIENCE. jUST aSKING.. i SAID MR. LA was right that she singled him out ... I never said calling some a Ghetto Rat was right.. but I know Mr. LA Just tells it like he feels ,and if he thinks anyone has any sneaky objective where The Bishop is concerned he's going to address them... in his own way
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wisdom
2005-10-27 13:45:53
to minister's wife: please go back and read our dialogue, because I think you misunderstood, (perhaps someone has some flash cards, or can interpret for her), please help her understand what we were talking about!!!! LOL JUST ASKING, you started the dialogue about God's hedges, so help her please!!!! LOL
From:
ministers wife
2005-10-27 15:42:47
I understand,lol . Like Jesus be a fence all around us..Iknow as I've said before when God says n that means NO!!!!! Just as when God says Yes that means YES!!!!! Sometimes Go puts HEDGES UP for couples because he's keeping them away from each other for a reason,, or getting them ready..It could be a form of Testing, or it's just time to wait ,it does not mean it's final... Thamls for the Flash cards
From:
mrLA
2005-10-27 16:04:35
Sorry If I offended anyon with my comments to sistah single ,but she got to familiar too soon with me o.k. we did not go to school together .... and if we did ,she needs to identify herself. So The Bishop is dropping hints ,,do you think she was at Bible Study ? The Bishop's Mate will be crazy like a Fox / and a fox in a christian way ,, the Bishop ain't stupid!!!! and neither is God .it may take her some time to come into her own,, but everyone will Love her 'I do allready!! Prayer changes things
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wisdom
2005-10-27 16:11:09
to Mr. LA, you still alright in my book!!!! LOL Ain't nothing wrong with "keeping it real", and expressing your thoughts. If that was your original impression and response, then so be it. "just be you"!!!!! LOL
From:
minister\'s wifr
2005-10-27 16:24:50
I MEANT THANKS WISDOM FOR THE FLASH CARDS LOL. JUST ASKING; If you have studied the Bible as I have ,you may entertain the thought that The Bishop may not be a Mere Mortal , he could be the one that the Bible spoke us..His wife will not be a Mere Mortal either but the union will be for kingdom Building.. if you disagree , don't disagree with me disagree with scripture. He doe's have an annoiting pn his life.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-27 16:36:02
TO MR LA: Since I don't know who she is (if she exists) I don't know whether or not she was there. It's a BIG church!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-27 17:50:27
now, the subject could be brought up in the women's "Sunday School", a Womens meeting or something (tactfully).....The older women are suppose to teach the younger?? or is she old and "stanky" LOL LOL
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-27 19:06:45
TO Minister's Wife: No, you are not being cruel. I understood that you and your husband had a "private" nickname for the poor hygiene member. As you are husband and wife, of course you will have private things like this between yourselves regarding your members. If I were you, I would leave the subject alone lest you offend your membership. Everyone will be wondering "Are they talking about me?" Feelings will be hurt unnecessarily. Leave it alone.
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wisdom
2005-10-27 19:29:50
to minister's wife: I think the code words are cute for spouses to use to communicate...and as far as the sista with the hygiene problem being 60, she may have some health issues....I still think you could discuss it discreetly among the sistas in a meeting, or prayer group
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-27 19:57:55
Yes, hygiene.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 20:20:09
When dealing with personal issues such as hygiene you need to approach the subject gracefully. There are some issues you pray about, some issues you leave alone, and some issues you must confront. The Holy Spirit will direct you how to deal with sensitive issues. As far as referring to mothers in the church as ROLL CALL, It's not appropriate. Suppose you were the old mother, suppose your hygiene was questionable. How would you want a person in authority to address the issue with you? Just food for thought.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-27 20:29:31
Hello Single Sista. Glad you decided to stay with us.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 20:32:14
This single sista grew up in the projects. I lived in the projects for a number of years. The Lord has blessed me. The same ghetto rats that are in the projects are running across the walks of the rich and famous.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 20:34:52
++++++++ Hello back at you.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 20:42:15
I came across this website as I was doing some research surfing the net on african american preachers with "Mega Churches". I consider this somewhat of a christian chatroom. Maybe I am wrong, but that's what it appears to be. The single sista works hard for her money as the song says. By jet setting, I meant I enjoy traveling. I didn't mean to infer I fly all over the world. The sista has to WORK for a living. LOL I don't work a 9 to 5. I stand on my feet 7 hours out of a 8 hour shift. I sit when I can.
From:
.......................
2005-10-27 20:50:43
so, single sista, you just came across the website??? are you familiar with Bishop Noel Jones' ministry????
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 21:02:36
DWCOM, One of your postings contained a question about does God choose our mate? God gives man the ability to choose for himself and that includes a mate. The difference is, He wants you to be totally dependent upon Him. If you are, you will inquire of Him who is best suited for you. He Knows. He will not force himself on anyone. He will influence you to make the right choice, but who knows better what is right for you. He made you. Your wrong choice of a mate can destroy all that you have attained thus far. One wrong decision. I know women who have married the wrong men. They have suffered greatly. I would rather take my time any pray and seek God's guidance. I hope this helps.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 21:06:22
............No I am not very familiar with the Bishop's Ministry.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 21:15:17
........... I come from a small community church. My background is Pentecostal. I grew up in holiness.
From:
ministers wife
2005-10-27 21:20:13
Single Sista ' We use code words to talk to each other , we do no refer to our members by these names and no one knows but ,the two of us what it means. NO one said she had a health problem . we are very sensitive to our members feelings so I dont understand your last comment.You seem to have an edge , and I'm not sure why you are in this room ,, but I will not be offended if for the time that you spend in here ,you would not address me in any manner. Thank you so much.. and I will do the same Just asking ; One of thrproblems we had at our Church was ,, after the services my husband use to stand and shake hands with the members , people used that time to say things like I would like to do this or that or I will becalling you tomorrow at 2;00p, all sorts of things. there were those that said he was not warm when they shook his hands ,, some of these people had some of the issues we discussed and ,and he has two services and if he picks up a scent be it muslor cheap perfume or stinky colonge , it stays with him all day.. So now after service he just goes to his office and it works alot better,,, the negative attacks have stopped, because most of the time they were saying things that shoukd have been put in writing talking . N
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-27 21:32:53
Single Sista, it's interesting that you are not familiar with Bishop Jones' ministry. He has been a pentecostal preacher for 30 years.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-27 21:35:30
I would like to reiterate something I said earlier today, "I think we ALL should be able to express our thoughts and points of view, some may take them the wrong way, some may be blessed by them!!!"
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 21:47:59
I shall respect your wishes. I know of the Bishop's Ministry, but as I stated I am not very familiar with it. Yes, I do know he is Pentecostal.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 21:53:33
My reason for being here is to be a blessing. I like the dialouge. I like to discuss God and His goodness. The truth hurts. Thanks Wisdom once again for your kind words.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 21:56:25
Good Night All
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-27 21:57:22
Single Sista, what was the question you had about Bishop Jones that brought you to this site? Have you found the answer here?
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wisdom
2005-10-27 22:01:11
to Mr. LA, what is up with all the name calling....LOL, The Lord has a hedge around the Bishop!!!!! can't nobody get to him without God's approval!!!! let her in please!!!! LOL she ain't gonna hurt nobody, If she does, I got my knife!!!! lol
From:
????????
2005-10-27 22:05:27
Single sista ,What is this high powered job that you have , where you stand on your feet all day?
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-27 22:13:16
++++++++++ No comment, Wisdom the name calling doesn't bother me. What is a high powered job? I said the Lord blessed me with a good paying job. I'm not sure what you mean by that. I am just a servant of the Lord who is blessed to be a blessing. I really must get some sleep.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-27 22:32:57
Hmmm...guess Mr. LA had it right after all. Good night.
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-27 23:20:04
1.)Again, regardless of ones motives, isn’t it awesome that God takes care of His own with a hedge of protection? And isn’t this what Jabez meant when he prayed, “Oh that You would bless me indeed, and enlarge my territory that Your hand would be with me, and that You would protect me from evil”? Didn’t God hear and answer his prayer? 2.)Last Sunday during service one of the Elders stated, “You are rich if you got up this morning in your right mind and in good health.” Don’t the true riches of God go far beyond money? 3.)Please help me with this. Why do some people stand around in churches after service, and why and some participate in ungodly conversations right in God’s House? Don’t they realize the devil wants to snatch and steal the Word from them the very same day?
From:
Mr. LA
2005-10-28 00:23:54
HURT PEOPLE,HURT PEOPLE keep praying the pray of Jabez and let it be our prayers not cause pain. +++++ I know how to call em
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-28 00:51:04
Mr. LA, hurt people do sometimes hurt others intentionally and other times unintentionally. What Jabez prayed was powerful and it is applicable today. Yes, let's all pray not to cause pain and go ahead and praise God in advance that He hears and answers!! Mr. LA, you said, "you know how to call em" and that's not a bad thing, but can you find it in your heart to ease up on reading em. LOL
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wisdom
2005-10-28 06:28:19
Just Asking? I agree, we all have the gift to discern, if we walk with the Lord.....He gave us this.....but, when we discern people's spirits and motives, its not always wise or "nice" to expose them. Some things that God shows us about people, are for us just to pray for them and about a situation, and not act out of the flesh.....Because ultimately "No Weapon that is formed against the people of God can Prosper"!!!! There is nothing wrong with using our "devil detector" LOL, But (and I think someone mentioned this earlier) we have to be Wise as as a serpent, but Harmless as a dove!!! Sometimes when people are not "right" or may appear to have the "wrong" motives come into our presence, the Lord wants us to win them over!!!! But, we can't do that if we run them away. And let us all remember, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and the "weapons of our warfare are not carnal". now I will admit, there is a time when open "rebuke" is in order, but we MUST let the Holy Spirit be our guide......
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-28 07:53:07
Hey, Single Sista, I'm glad you decided stayed! Overlook, shake off and keep going! Everyone one on here is in a state of growth. They can push you (it's easy to get in the flesh), but you'll find that you have to be the bigger person sometimes (control yourself and acknowledge when you're wrong). Hang in there! Enjoyed your comments on the subject..do we choose our mates. See ya!
From:

2005-10-28 08:45:33
JUST ASKING. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW I'VE HELD BACK...I'M GROWING AND PRAYING. Wisdom/You mentioned winning over as oppose to running them away; O ne my girlfriends is in a new relationship they are both Christians at my
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 09:44:13
to Mr. LA, she may have all the girlfriends because he doesn't spend enough time with her.....have they discussed this????? I think they could work thru it if they both get an "understanding". I don't think that's a reason to stop seeing someone....if they get closer, perhaps she will spend less time with her girlfriends....
From:
...........................
2005-10-28 10:02:18
I thought this nation was a "democracy", with "freedom of speech".....can't people express their thoughts and views anymore???? Is this Iraq????? maybe I'm lost!!! LOL SADAM has entered the room!!!! LOL
From:
mr la
2005-10-28 10:09:18
Wisdom.. No ,, discussing Point blank ,he stopped calling her and want answer her calls .. that's why she asked me to tak to him. she said anything she does without him is because he'a not available/ what is she suppose to do just stay home and wait for him to call. She's not the Type that can't be trusted .. I think he's scared to lose her and yet by his actions,that's what he's doing... I said man talk to her she's worth it..he's stubborn and she's too much of a lady to throw her self at him.
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wisdom
2005-10-28 10:29:04
to Mr. LA, and she is being wise by not throwing herself at him!!!! If he is a man, he know what he wants....so I feel women should let the man take the lead, even in the dating process....so I know it is frustrating for her to wait for him to call, but he is the one that has the "issue", so she should just be patient and let him sort thru it. When he's ready he will call.....if not, evidently he didn't want her!!!! I hate to sound harsh, but men "come after WHAT THEY WANT", so when he wants her, I think he will make it known...
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-28 11:37:04
Wisdom is right, men do go after what they want. Mr. LA, do you know how far your friend has gone with this man? Dating? Dating the worlds way with temporary benefits? A godly courtship?
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minister\'s wife
2005-10-28 11:42:19
Mr. la this is not uncommon.we deal with it all the time. it's uaually fear basd and we all know fear is not of God. Hopefully no one gets hurt too badly and it can be savaged. new realationships are plagued by horrible memories of the last one which causes /game playing. trickery, head battering..anger . suspesions are best dealt with openly to remove any doubts... Men don't always know what they wany.. Loook at the ones that wants Halle Barry .. Rev. Denise Matthews divorced 2/3 times ,, The package sometimes gets in the way of what we really need. But you stressed that they or both Christians so God has a say in the matter. No one should break-up without dialog it leaves the other confused and feeling as tho they have done something wrong. when as WISDOM said it may be the other person having the issues , but this type of behavior does in some cases have lasting scars.as we sort things out we should allow our mates the courtesy of knowing that we need time to sort things out and it sounds like this is where your friends guy went wrong ,he just pulled the plug with the absence of conversation. New Romances are rarely easy , tell her to hang in there and tell him to explain to her that he needs some space Men can be very baby like in romance 'I want What I want when I want it" they seem to think they can get this effortlessly, If he waits her time
From:
minister\'s wife
2005-10-28 11:44:19
Mr. la this is not uncommon.we deal with it all the time. it's uaually fear basd and we all know fear is not of God. Hopefully no one gets hurt too badly and it can be savaged. new realationships are plagued by horrible memories of the last one which causes /game playing. trickery, head battering..anger . suspesions are best dealt with openly to remove any doubts... Men don't always know what they wany.. Loook at the ones that wants Halle Barry .. Rev. Denise Matthews divorced 2/3 times ,, The package sometimes gets in the way of what we really need. But you stressed that they or both Christians so God has a say in the matter. No one should break-up without dialog it leaves the other confused and feeling as tho they have done something wrong. when as WISDOM said it may be the other person having the issues , but this type of behavior does in some cases have lasting scars.as we sort things out we should allow our mates the courtesy of knowing that we need time to sort things out and it sounds like this is where your friends guy went wrong ,he just pulled the plug with the absence of conversation. New Romances are rarely easy , tell her to hang in there and tell him to explain to her that he needs some space Men can be very baby like in romance 'I want What I want when I want it" they seem to think they can get this effortlessly, He has to make time for her.. Love finds a way/ I will pray for them... Christmas is coming and no one should be without someone they love ,romantically.......
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wisdom
2005-10-28 11:53:52
to Mr. LA, and ministers wife: I still say that a real Man goes after what he wants, and she should wait on him to avoid trouble later in the relationship with HEADSHIP issues....If he is too afraid to talk, he might be too afraid to go to work and be a good provider!!! LOL...... and ain't NOWHERE in scripture about being romantically at Christmas!!!!! LOL That sounds like the world to me!!!! LOL now, I might be wrong, but what verse and chapter can I find that one!!!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 11:55:41
oops!!!! I meant romatically involved at Christmas.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 12:21:24
LOL Wisdom...too afraid to go to work! That's a good point, we don't want him too scared to get a pay check!
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 12:27:01
But I have to disagree with "the man going after" what he wants. Women should go after what they want too. However, if the man you go after doesn't want you, move on. They are like buses, as the saying goes.
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wisdom
2005-10-28 12:30:04
to +++++++, men are "visual" creatures, if he sees you and "likes" what he sees, he's going to say something, unless you are "out of his league", and he's afraid he doesn't measure up!!!!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 12:39:03
to ++++++, its my personal opinion, based on scripture "Whoso findeth a WIFE findeth a good thing, Prov. 18:22, when a woman goes after a man, she is out of God's order. And when things start to turn bad, then she wants to talk to God about it.....when, she was out of order to start with!!!! LOL
From:
MINISTERSWIFE
2005-10-28 12:49:16
MRLA AND WISDOM ; The holidays are a nice time to be spent with someone you LOVE; That can be found in the book of Life ,Chapher 1-verse 1 - 100000 You guys are right and Mr. LA maybe she's not dealing with a 'Real Man' because a real man does not leave some one he's trying to 'feel' hanging. Tell her to pray and if it's him and not her she should leave her options open and the can have a romantic Christmas... I'm not sure if romantib fears are linked to being a Good provider but they might be, I know Good providers that won't talk and personal lives are suffering. If it's God's will . Mr. la ,I hope it works out for them.. in the meantime be there for her , but encourage him to speak to her himself,and her to speak to him, some how the middleman does not work well in relationships.. They don't seem to me to have any real problems, they just need to structure things better. Be open
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 12:53:40
to minister's wife: I agree, it is good to have a love in your life during the holidays, but don't get out of God's will to get them!!!! LOL and you are a HOLY woman of God, functioning in a leadership capacity, please give people good sound advice, sometimes their life depends on it!!!! luv ya
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 13:03:16
TO Wisdom: Bishop Jones has taught us that the interpretation of Proverbs ragarding a man finding a wife is misapplied. What I stated above is his instruction. He told us it's ok for a woman to try to initiate a relationship with a man. But, just as a man has to be prepared for rejection when he steps to a woman, women should also be prepared if the man is not interested.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 13:12:10
to +++++++, and when he ask you to change the oil in the car and cut the lawn, don't get mad!!!! LOL
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 13:34:32
Wisdom...lol...I am a good handywoman. If he can cook, it will be a match made in heaven!
From:
MR. LA
2005-10-28 13:35:32
Good advice, Cut Wisdom ,I know some women who can change a tire and they be cute lol men in their lives have taught them how to be prepared ,I say Right on!!!! I don't know some men are shy and ladies I know have taken the lead and the men were glad. but as the relationship progress the women were happy to take the back seat , so I guess it works both ways. Now on to a' REAL DIVA ' leaving now for First AME to Mother Rosa Parks Memorial my friends in the choir saved me a seat somewhere but I was suppose to be there at 9;00am.. well I left work and had to get Sharp !!! so I'm late.... for yall in La that have time it will be televised from 11;00a-12:00 /
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wisdom
2005-10-28 13:42:05
to+++++++, did Bishop Jones really say that about it being okay for a woman to initiate a relationship with a man???? well that explains why he is NOT married....He is waiting on one of the sistas to buy a ring and propose to him!!!!! LOL
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 13:55:41
lol....maybe Wisdom. Yes he really said it. Like MR. LA, I know of successful marriages between Christians where the woman initiated things. It can be done in a way that is "decent and in order".
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 13:58:19
That's why I am under his teaching. He is unconventional in this (relationships) and other areas in his teaching, yet biblical.
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wisdom
2005-10-28 14:03:00
to ++++++, well I think women are "receivers" and the scriptures say the "head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man".....do you think God made the woman to withstand the pain of rejection from a man saying no to her???? But, these are just my thoughts....
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 14:26:28
to minister's wife: Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed UNDEFILED............Hebrews 13:4
From:
Ministers wife
2005-10-28 15:21:05
Wisdom ; Women might be recievers but they are also givers horizoncally and vertically... Exactly what do you meam out of their League ?? LOVE WILL FIND A WAY We have so many Professional womaen married to men who are not Professional and vice versa.. He bible says we are all but fifthy Rags.. If insecurities get in the wat one can spend a life time unhappy for NO !!!! reason... Most women just want agood man who Loves them no matter ,what they do or what league they are in.. sometimes we create problems where there are no problems.
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wisdom
2005-10-28 15:44:50
to ministers wife: can you show me in the bible were we are "filthy rags", I thought the scripture said our "righteousness" is are as filthy rags.....and how can you speak for "Most" women????? Out of your league, (to me means) you cannot afford her lifestyle, or give her what she is use to having......
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 15:51:04
to minister's wife: do you think a woman that drives up in a Mercedes would genuinely want to join her life with a man that can't afford to put gas in it for her???? LOL
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 15:53:19
To Wisdom: Yes, God made women strong enough to withstand the rejection of a man. That seems like a minor "pain" to me given some of the other burdens of life we bear under His power.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 15:57:04
to ++++++, but why have that uneccessary pain???? If a man sees you and likes you, can't he say something??? LOL Well, when you get him and he wants you to work, while he stays at home all day is that okay too???? LOL
From:
Mother Shepard
2005-10-28 16:25:03
WISDOM ; I know you asked this question of ministers wife but I thought I could shed some lite ,, I asked the same question of my Grand daugther , who is in Law School ,,her answer was yes, what difference does it make and she gave me this list to support her answer. It's only an Issue when its made one . Men and Women were put here to help each other , Money and material things aren't what keep relatioships together.Love and Pupport plays a big part . Oprah & Stedman Graham Barbar Streisand & James Brolin Maxine Waters $ her husband Glady's Knight $ her husband Monique $ her husband Britney Spears $ her husband Diane Watson $ Louis White That's just to name a few
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wisdom
2005-10-28 16:36:06
to: mother shepard, yes some women have the capacity to do, but others want to be sure if they can't fill the Mercedes up themselves, at least they have the comfort of knowing their Husband can help them!!! and they won't have to call their boyfriend!!!! LOL
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 16:45:36
So, women should just be wallflowers waiting for some man to select them? I don't think so.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 16:48:28
to+++++++, So are you okay with him, if you work and contribute money to the household and he doesn't???? Cause if you go and get him, I think you should be willing to provide for him!!! just like with a puppy you go get from the pet store, everything you go get, you need to be willing to take care of right???? LOL
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 17:07:09
Wisdom, I am in agreement with you. Men should be the first to make a move towards the woman in a relationship. Why? I am just old school. It is my opinion that scripture supports this.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 17:08:18
Wisdom, you do realize we are living in the 21st century? Your point of view harkens to caveman days.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 17:18:59
When it comes to questioning whether something is right/wrong, good/bad, in order/out of order, the Lord looks at the heart. What is the intent? what is the motive behind the behavior? A person can do/say something one might regard as wrong. What the Lord looks at is was it done in ignorance. Paul killed christians before he converted, but he obtained grace because of his ignorance. The Lord will reveal by His Spirit in any relationship what is healthy or unhealthy (spiritually speaking). You have to search the scriptures for yourself.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 17:23:13
Yes, this is the 21st Century, but the Word of God is absolute, constant, eternal!!!
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 17:48:02
+++++++ For someone who sits under Bishop Jones, I have to ask what your motives are? You certainly do not behave like a christian. Clean up your mouth. Who are you to question me? It's none of your business what my research involved. You did not die and set me free. If you can't speak to me curtiously, shut your mouth!!!
From:
Ministers wife
2005-10-28 17:50:34
Wisdom' Y ou're usually right on target but I have to agree with++++++on this one/ Mr. LA " I just talked to 3 men about your friends and here are some of their thoghts.. One who is an Attorney said that they need to spend some quality time together, he states that he was in a similar situation once andwhat the male should do if he is interested 'CREATE A CRISIS ,, and by No means let her no that it's not one... He had to go to another city for the weekend for a client and he told her that his Secretary at the last minute could not make it and if she would be so kind as to come and that he would pay her,that was not what she did for a living,, but women don't care as long as tey are standing by their man ,the only thing she had to do was make sure his notes were in order and remember and look for key points that he might not see. . they had not gotten to the sleep together stage ,so they had separate rooms, she saw him i his business setting and left feeling as tho she had been a big help to him . he said she really was ,they got to go out to dinner . with no pressure and he got to observe her without her knowing . he got to know and like her more ,then they returned home.. One said just call her and talk and if she doesn't want to give him time to work out his issues , then let her say, but a least explain his situation to her. The third said he thought both ways wok it's all about you him being a man stepping up to the plate, and not causing pain because he sounds immature. I hope some of this might help your friend they are all christis men.. these are not mu suggestions I'm just sharing...
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wisdom
2005-10-28 19:14:46
to Single Sista: thanks for "holding it down" and being in agreement in my absence!!!! I feel if you want God's favor in relationships, you better follow his road map!!! LOL
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 19:30:44
Mr. LA you need much prayer. Why do you go to church? You are not perceptive, your'e foolish. You got a lot of game in you!!
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 19:35:47
Trust me Mr. LA, You don't want me to come down your street and read your mail. You would have no doubt as to what perception is. Leave it alone!!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 19:44:33
Children don't fight, "can't we all just get alone" LOL
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 19:47:08
to single sista: now we didn't say anything about anuses....LOL
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 19:54:21
Yes, by all means let's get along, but lets tell the TRUTH!! I am not afraid to offend anyone when it comes to telling the TRUTH. I do not apologize. Jesus offended people wherever He went telling them the TRUTH. What is TRUTH? The Word of God. You got to eat the WHOLE Roll. Good Night
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 19:55:32
TO Single Sista: I will be ignoring you from now on. Please do not direct any comments or questions to me.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 20:05:21
+++++++++, Big O Sissy in La, you both need much prayer!!! It's obivious to me Bishop Noel Jones is NOT your Pastor.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 20:07:44
If you can not take the heat in the kitchen, get your behinds out!!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 20:10:30
to single sista: If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Romans 12:18 good night
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 20:17:28
Good Night and make sure when you lie down tonight your heart is right with God.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 20:23:30
Wisdom, I don't like hypocracy. Sin is what it is. There are a few on this website that I for the most part believe love the Lord.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 20:31:33
well single sista, maybe you can help the rest that may not love the Lord like they should, but if you turn them off, by being mean then what???? You gotta "catch fish, before you can clean them"......we are all from different walks of life, denominations, parts of the country....do we expect to disagree on some things.....and we can disagree and maintain the Love of God!!!!! now I learned that early in my walk with Christ!!!! remember just because its a baby doesn't mean its not human!!!! They may love the Lord, just not as much as you...but they are still His!!!
From:
MR LA
2005-10-28 20:49:26
++++ Now see what mmean// but since Iam saved I'm going to ignore SATAN and his SATANETTE.....AKA GHETTO RAT I bet she has had it every way you can imagine all in the name of Jesus!!!!! Fake .. PHONY ..IDIOT
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-28 20:53:08
So, I shall say good night and don't let Him come and find with no oil in your lamps. BE READY!!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 21:05:59
to Single Sista: do you remember when you were a "babe" in Christ, I think you said you grew up in holiness, so did I, (we were fortunate), but people are at different levels in their walk with God....He may have washed you completely overnight, but others are in the "rinse cycle"LOL.....We are all growing!!!! Down look down on people who are at different stages in their walk....you may be an example to some and a source of encouragement, you ever thought about that???? to: Mr. LA, you still crazy, SATANETTE, now that was too funny, can I use that one tonight???? LOL I know they will laugh..........
From:
wisdom
2005-10-28 21:07:34
to single sista: ooops I meant "don't look down"
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-28 21:20:11
Yes, Mr. LA, like I said earlier, you should be used as a "truth" detector. I am ignoring the SATANETTE. TO WISDOM, I am a Christian. I hope you are not questioning my or any Christian's love for Christ. That is not appropriate.
From:
Mr. la
2005-10-28 21:26:20
WISDOM; YOU KNOW YOU......LOL
From:
MR.LA
2005-10-28 21:43:49
WISDOM ;YOU KNOW YOU CAN,IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.... ++++ I'm a Christian too that child has an issue of blood..lol just keep ignoring!!!! fret no +++
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 09:02:18
to +++++++ and Mr. LA, I was not questioning any ones level of Christianity nor their level of commitment to the Lord!!!! I was simply responding to Single Sista's comment stating "There are a few on this website, that SHE for the most part believe love the Lord."....I would never "judge" anyone....The word says, "Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1........ and Who am I to judge another man's servant? to his OWN MASTER he standeth or falleth......Romans 14:4 However, trees are known by the fruit they bear....and some times I am a "fruit inspector".....LOL but, I don't judge, because its not my place.....and I don't want to be judged by anyone, but God....and, people can call my "fruit" into question at any time, and I am open for criticism and even rebuke......LOL, its all part of the "growing process"......these are my thoughts
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-29 09:39:08
Well said Wisdom or should I say Fruit Inspector? LOL
From:
Mother Shepard
2005-10-29 09:52:11
WISDOM' You asked me if I would accept it if my daughters married beneath themselves. Interesting enough one did , she a wonderful career in medicine and makes a good salary now, she had been hurt so many times by men in her profession and other professions. suits and ties . ..she was tired she met a man whose job was a office cleaning service .they actually clean the medical Center where she worked , they started to talk and then date. at first , me like most did not want that for her ,but the more they date the happier she became. he left that company and started his owned ,it failed and so did some family ties.. he never burden her with his problems ,tho he made her aware,,, They got married narried a year later. not the wedding that I had vision for my daughter , It was poorly done and she has friends that are very 'High Society'.she didn't care it was her day. Today they are in Nevada celebrating their 3rd anniversary and they could not be happier .. he takes of the cars. he cleans the house, he cooks and even runs her Bath water,, He love her more than she 'ever thought anyone could.. she is happy and so am I . he takes excellant care of her.she makes good money now sometimes we just have to try God and see.. there is no road map to happiness and we could spend a life tome ALONE looking for it ,, If you think you've found it you probadly have..It's like the fish story someone mentioned..DON"T LET IT GET AWAY !!!!! GOD BLESS YOU. ALL
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 12:02:46
to Mother Shepard: please go back and read my question, I think you overlooked the main point....LOL would YOU contribute money to their household???
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-29 12:36:06
Wisdom, I always thought the term "fruit inspector" was a play with words that Christians use to judge other people. One main reason is who is the person establishing the criteria that we are inspecting the fruit by?? On another topic of the woman taking the lead instead of the man. There are many cases that I know of where the woman has taken the lead (control) of the relationship. Some are happy because they control everything and some were happy initially, but are unhappy now because he won't be the man they really want him to be (but it was their choice). My father told me something many years ago and that is "don't marry him unless you can be satisfied with who is now and the fact that he may never ever change. If you can be satisfied with that, marry him."
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-29 12:56:56
Single Sista, See you went and got in the flesh!!! Back up! Don't let the situation control you and how you respond. You control it!! You're becoming addicted! LOL! LOL! That's what I did and almost messed up on a test because I spent too much time on here. Check them out every other day or once a day!
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-29 12:58:51
Wisdom, talk to a man who has recently lost his job and ask him how his wife is dealing with it. In some cases, she is patient, kind and understanding. BUT I know of two situations where things have gotten quite ugly because these wives are not happy about footing the bulk of the bills. Are other family members contributing financially? NO, but they do have a lot to say while taking sides. On the subject of dating before marriage, again, in these various scenarios where people claim to have been hurt, know others that have been hurt or taken for granted in relationships, was it social dating? Dating with temporary benefits? Godly courtships? And based on what the Bible says, in this life are people going to be kind and courteous to one another no matter what transpires during these dating episodes? If we get out of order and do as we please, does anyone owe us anything?
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 13:20:00
to DWCOM, also, "fruit inspection" is just using our "God given" gift of discernment....its for OUR safety and should be used with caution!!!! LOL
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 13:49:40
to just asking: to me, dating is somewhat like what I just explained about fruit inspection....Christian dating is a "long interview", so to speak....at this time you can sit, listen, share ideas, evaluate, discern and draw conclusions....yes, and in every relationship that ends, one party will probably get hurt....but, such is life...you can't get with everybody. LOL
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 13:59:00
So, is it wrong for a woman to initiate the interest or contact and then later on the relationship develops naturally into one that is healthy and balanced. Just because the lady starts it doesn't mean she intends to control it.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 14:18:43
to ++++++, I just feel that if He will be "leader", then let him take the "lead"......I just feel sometimes in "desperation", people get out of God's order......and like I always say, "these are my thoughts"....But, I think the Lord revealed to us in the book of Genesis the order of mankind. I'm not saying that a relationship that was initiated by a woman will not work, I'm just saying its out of God's perfect design....Do you feel God made man to be the head?????? If so, will you approach a man, and say "come be my head"???? LOL In your spare time, read the book of Genesis, chapters 2 and 3, and Ephesians 5:21-33, just a suggestion.....I hope maybe it sheds some light
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 14:26:35
WISDOM: I have read the books of the bible you referred me to ( I am a Christian). They do not say a woman cannot approach a man. You personally would not be comfortable doing so. I have no problem with it. Please do not tell me I am out of order. If you feel you would be, that's another matter.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 14:36:30
++++++, did I not say, these are my thoughts based on scripture, you ask a question....obviously, there is some doubt in your mind, dear....sorry if I offended you
From:
Ministers Wife
2005-10-29 14:39:27
Wisdom/+++ I can't tellyou how many times relationships that we have couseled and performed wedding Ceremonies for, would have failed if
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 14:45:29
WISDOM: No, I have no doubts. It's just unfair for you to force your interpretation of scripture onto others. If you don't want to approach men, don't. I will not criticize you for it. Why do you feel the need to criticize women for whom this practice is acceptable?
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 14:46:35
to +++++++/minister's wife, is it okay for a woman to buy a ring and propose marriage to a man????
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 14:50:50
to ++++++, I'm not criticizing, just sharing thoughts, and scripture....do what ever you like dear.......
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 14:59:33
I would like to reiterate something I've said several times regarding this website......I think we all should be able to express our thoughts and points of view, some may take them the wrong way, some may be blessed by them!!!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 15:15:35
to ++++++, okay, I'm glad you weren't offended and you should listen to YOUR pastor!!!!!! so do you think its okay for a woman to buy a ring and propose marriage to a man????
From:
MINITERS WIFE
2005-10-29 15:25:32
WISDOM. WHAT I'M SAYING ,FIRST IF A COUPLE HAVE EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN EACH TOHER AND THEN FIND THEMSELVES AT A STALEMATE ,AS IN THE GAME OF CHESS, IT'S OK IF THE WOMAN INITIATE SOMETHING. THE MAN IF HE CARES FOR HER AT ALL, HE SHOULD BE RELIEVED, SOMETIMES.MEN CAN BE STUBBORN,,, BUT SHE HAS TO BE LED BY GOD, I Also think that it's o'k for a woman to approach a man that interest her , and say hello, now if he says he not interested she should not be offended or continue to pursue..
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 15:31:39
to ministers wife: so do you think its okay for a woman to buy a ring and propose marriage to a man????
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 15:59:06
to Mr. LA, so you say its okay for a woman to buy a ring and propose marriage to a man???? Oh, and yes I meant if she approached him in the beginning and they started a relationship and it proceeds.....okay, we have YOUR thoughts.....
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 16:04:06
So, would anyone else like to give their thoughts on my question, "If its okay for a woman to approach a man because he "catches her eye", then is it also okay for a woman to buy a ring and propose marriage to a man????
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 16:13:01
TO WISDOM: If what you are asking is whether a woman can propose marriage to a man, with or without a ring, it depends on the couple. If it's to the point where she feels she can propose marriage, she probably has a guy who would be with it!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 16:15:44
to ++++++ so you say okay. Why would it depend on the couple????? should it matter????
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-29 16:19:19
Wisdom, Oh, okay I'm with you on Galatians 5:22-23. As I mentioned earlier, the term "fruit inspector" isn't normally used to check out the fruit of the Spirit, but judge the person and then used the scripture "a tree is known by its fruits." You're right, we really should know the inner qualities of peope in close relationships with us. I like to have folk with qualities in areas that are stronger than the areas where I'm weak. This challenges me and forces me to come up in my weak areas. I heard Myles Monroe use a similar example on the owner's manaul years ago. It brought so much clarity to my life as a Christian at that time.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-29 16:37:30
I wouldn't buy a ring or propose. Now I've asked a guy that I was dating a number of years "where is this relationship going?" But, my thought on it is..if I have to say something about it, he isn't worth it. The relationship isn't worth it. That's my thoughts.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 16:50:03
to DWCOM: now what's wrong if a woman sees a man and he looks Good to her, and she approaches him and get his number and they start dating.....and they date for a length of time and somewhere down the line, she falls in love with him.....why can't the woman propose marriage????? LOL
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-29 16:50:51
DWCOM, Thank you kindly for your words and I shall take heed.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-29 16:53:31
Wisdom, Personally, I wouldn't buy a ring and propose marriage. Again, I'm just old school and believe that the man should buy the ring and do the proposing.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 16:57:30
to single sista: I understand, we were just talking about "headship" issues, the roles of men/women and God's order of things in each individuals life.....
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 17:28:03
to just asking: VERY GOOD point!!!!
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-29 17:39:49
Wisdom, you're right the bible is clear on the headship and the order of the home. There is only one example that I can think of in the bible where a woman put herself out there and I believe its Boaz and Ruth. The bible doesn't say what happened after they got together either. Basically, what I did by asking the guy that I was involved with for some years where the relationship going was asking about marriage. I just didn't buy a ring. Eventually he asked and I said yes but wasn't satisfied because I had to say something. Eventually, we had a disagreement and I told him just what I said above. If he wants to lead, he's got to lead from beginning to end. I hate to use the word "coward", but if he's coward in asking the woman that he loves and wants to spend the rest of his life with about marrying him, what other areas is he going to back down and take back seat to that you will have to prompt him to act. Not me!! LOL! LOL! I have to be able to respect him! A man needs RESPECT! I believe a man knows when a woman loves him!
From:
wisdom
2005-10-29 17:52:26
to DWCOM: that's all I'm saying, a "real Godly man" knows what he wants and you don't have to help him!!! LOL I don't think you were out of line by asking where a relationship was going.....Do we walk in department stores and just stand around, hoping that someone will "guess" what we want???.....or do we ask for what we want?????LOL But, I feel if a woman approaches a man in the beginning, she may as well propose too!!! LOL....I mean, if you really want him, why stop at "just approaching him"????...these are my thoughts
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 18:20:09
Is it ok for a Godly woman to know what she wants? I hope you all don't apply this "let's see what happens" approach to other areas in your life. You have to go after what you want. Yes, a woman has a right to propose. Do you believe that every marriage is the result of the man proposing? There would be even fewer marriage than there are now if that was the case.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 18:29:09
He can say no just like a woman who is proposed to has a right say no. If two people are in love and one says to the other, male or female, "Let's get married" or "Will you marry me", what difference does it make who actually asks the question or makes the statement if they end up happily ever after?
From:

2005-10-29 19:50:41
Gee, who cares
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 20:02:18
TO MR LA: What? Is she one of the two you mentioned earlier, or is this now a 3rd prospect? I don't understand your post. Could you be more precise? With all of his security, was this cute woman able to get close to him? What makes this guy think it's her? Is she on the church staff? So, Bishop Jones showed up early somewhere to meet this woman in public around his church members? I'm confused. Seems like anytime a very attractive woman is within his field of vision, people start saying "she might be the one". Once again, sounds like speculation to me. My impression of Bishop Jones is that, if she exists, he will make it plain who she is. No guessing games.
From:

2005-10-29 20:14:05
to ++++++, you could be the one???? why don't you propose to him tommorrow???
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 20:31:03
lol....No, it's not me!
From:

2005-10-29 20:47:27
LOL, I agree, she should get on one knee, before the end of service and just ask him!!!! since its okay, for a woman to propose!!!! He's a very good man!!! LOL Would that be out of order????LOL, LOL, LOL, Take up a collection for the ring, I'm sure the congregation won't mind!!!!! LOL
From:

2005-10-29 21:29:51
I'm quite sure he's had google eyes of women before. he needs to fire his security staff.
From:
Single Sista
2005-10-29 21:41:22
+++++++++, I told you that Bishop Jones was NOT your Pastor. Now who is perceptive. Out of your own mouth comes the truth.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-29 21:53:02
To MR. LA: I sound like a man? Now I know why I can't get a date...lol.
From:
ALPHONSE and DEE Texas
2005-10-30 01:16:43
HEY ya'll I'm shipping out tonight so I want get your responsives, but man thank ya 'll so muc ,
From:
ALPHONSE and DEE Texas
2005-10-30 01:22:13
HEY ya'll I'm shipping out tonight so I wont get your responsives, but man thank ya 'll so much for the Prayers and advice.Still living in a Godly relationship. Come on WISDOM .MAN YOU GAVE ME SOME GOOD ADVICE, MAN DON'T LET SOME WOMAN PLAY YOULIKE THAT, I THINK IF SHE WAS THE ONE YOU WOULD HAVE ALLREADY BOUGHT HER THE RING....DON'T FALL FOR THAT MAN..TELL HER TO CHILL. AND YOU KEEP LOOKING,, I'LL BE OUT OF THE CONTRY SO YA'LL KEEP US IN YOUR PRAYERS. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT WITH HER MAN ..WHY DO YOU EVEN NEED TO ASK ...GOD BLESS YA'LL AND GOD BLESS AMERICA ,
From:

2005-10-30 04:29:59
Yep wisdom, thats why a lot of brothers "hit it and quit it", (even in the church), because they didn't "want you" to start with. But, YOU ran up in HIS face!!!! LOL
From:
AN Insider
2005-10-30 07:10:45
BISHOP NOEL JONES IS A PREACHER PASTOR' And I'm not saying he does that.but he does he'abussing his authority, My friend Jennifer knows him well and I pick up bits and pieces of personality here and there. Understand he's a'BIG Fish In his Church and no doubt not match for most of the woman there.. but I think he see them talk sweet and hit it then move on. why don't we hear about it because he' smooth and tthey are wounded so they just stay there under his leadership while he in their minds sort things out,,when really ,he's on to the next one. I wish one that he's seeing who thinks he's true blue would come to the front of the Church and introduce herself as "HIS" lady and after all' HELL' breaks lose maybe then he will stop playing HEADSHIP GAMES. He' s a kid in a Candy Store,, That's why he's not married. And when he meets a lady of Quality or on his level he get's intimidated but the process is the same hit and quit.. BUt someone said it."BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU PRAY FOR
From:

2005-10-30 07:29:08
Now, Who said that's what the Bishop was doing???? I was taking about "MEN" in general!!!!! STOP THE MADNESS AND TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!LOL LOL
From:
MINISTERS WIFE
2005-10-30 08:42:44
BISHOP Needs Prayer ,, Lift him up Today!!!!!! HOW CAN ELIMINATE SOME OF THESES POSTING IT'S TOO TME CONSUMING SCROLLING
From:

2005-10-30 09:15:41
It's not time consuming, if you drag the bar on the right side of the screen down to the bottom of the page LOL!!!---------------------------->
From:
wisdom
2005-10-30 09:44:40
oooh wee wee!!!!! LOL I agree with the person that said, "y'all have taken the last few days dialogue "out of context"!!!! Now, how did we go from discussing the God's role for men and women, to the Bishop being a PLAYA!!!!! LOL LOL ...STOP THE MADNESS!!!!! AND QUIT MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST THE MAN OF GOD!!!!!!
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-30 09:46:06
+++++++++, I believe what were were saying is that it's a woman preference if she wishes to approach a man. That's all on her. For some of us, we would rather that he step up to the plate from the beginning. That's all!! You can still approach a brother if you want to. It doesn't make you any less of a woman.
From:
wisdom
2005-10-30 09:58:12
DWCOM, I agree is a woman's preference if she wishes to approach a man, that's her business!!! I hope I didn't "create a snare" for anyone by MY interpretation of scripture.....like I said, "these are MY thoughts.....LOL
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-30 10:46:48
+++++++++, Why not just avoid being insulted in this manner and wait for the man who interested in you to approach you. You may come out better if you and the guy have been friends quite a while because first of all, the initial excitement of meeting someone you like very much is over. Second, you know the kind of person he is. Lastly, you're friends. If I were going to express interest in a man, it would be one that I would have been friends with for a while and not just some joe blow.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-30 11:19:18
Insulted? Is a man insulted if he approaches a woman who says, in essence, thank you but I'm not interested? Is he less of a man or a less worthwhile human being because she said no? I do not look for ANY man to validate me (i.e. making me the lucky woman he choses). I am somehwat gregarious. I like talking to people, which of course includes men. The men seem to like it too. It all comes down to different personality types. That is why I do not say that all women should do this. It doesn't suit everyone.
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-30 12:07:43
DWCOM, I have never been insulted because I am always a lady. I think my position is pretty simple: To each his/her own.
From:
DWCOM
2005-10-30 12:47:14
+++++++++, It's all good!
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-30 15:23:32
TO An Insider: I am not a member of Bishop Noel Jones' church, but as I said earlier, I have attended periodically over the years and know some of the members well. If what you described was going on there, all hell would have broken out by now and his reputation would be tarnished. He is not a stupid man.
From:

2005-10-30 15:47:53
++++++++, 1st Bishop Jones has taught you all, 2nd you are under his influence, now you have attend his church periodically over the years?????? confusing?
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-30 16:02:38
Why are you confused? When I attend, he is teaching me. When I attend, I am under his influence. When I go, it is periodically, i.e. not regular attendance. You are easily confused. And you also seem upset. Why?
From:
MR.LA
2005-10-30 16:39:38
I'm leaving this sire for GOOD.. You TGhetto Rata ought to be glad That teh Bishop would even Pastor ya'' tired behinds.... Now satan is really attacking him. which means he is in his season and his wife is near.and she won't believe a word of it.. He is not sleeping with those women inthe church that's all in their heads...I WISH ON ALL OF THEM AN ISSUE OF BLOOD !!!!!! lies all lies.. y'all don't know hoe to appreciate this man of God and I'm becoming Ill Reading this Mess,,,, I PRAISE GOD FOR HIMM AND MAY HE AND HIS GUT WIFE HAVE A LONG AND HAPPY LIFE TOGETHER AND ALL 'HATERS KEEP STEPPIN. I won't be back. The Bishop is an annoited Man of God
From:

2005-10-30 17:13:44
Mr. LA please don't leave, we need you boo!!! can't nobody find gossip like a SISSY!!! lol
From:

2005-10-30 17:18:32
YEAH, he goes to barbershop and the beauty shop!!!!!LOL
From:

2005-10-30 20:23:29
+++++++++, not upset at all. Didn't know you can one be influenced only attending periodically?
From:
+++++++++
2005-10-30 20:59:06
You are stupid.
From:

2005-10-30 21:06:41
AINT NO HO LIKE A LYING CHURCH HO
From:

2005-10-30 21:47:04
ALL OF YOU WOMEN NEED TO STOP THE NAME CALLING, PROVOKING ONE ANOTHER, GOSSIPING AND TRYING TO POLICE, CONTROL AND MONITOR THIS SITE ON A DAILY BASIS. ALSO, SINCE BISHOP NOEL JONES WILL MARRY ONLY THE ONE WOMAN GOD HAS PREPARED FOR HIM, YOU ALL MAY WANT TO ALLOW GOD TO WORK ON YOU. STUDY YOUR BIBLES, LEARN MORE ABOUT BECOMING VIRTUOUS WOMEN, AND MAYBE YOU WILL BE PREPARED FOR THE MAN GOD HAS FOR YOU.
From:

2005-10-30 22:53:01
SHUT UP!
From:
JUST ASKING?
2005-10-30 23:57:35
Single Sista, Well said. Are you a minister, evangelist or teacher? If so, remember what Jesus said to His disciples, "He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me." (KJV ST. LUKE 10:16) "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying Lord, even the devils are subject to us through thy name." (KJV ST. LUKE 10:17)
From:
ministers wife
2005-10-31 09:07:25
This site is geting ridilcous ;;; I think the women in The Bishop thinks that is marriage is an ordinary one,, but as
From:

2005-10-31 09:09:24
TO: Ministers wife, What???????????????
From:
ministers wife
2005-10-31 09:14:10
This site is geting ridilcous ;;; I think the women in The Bishop thinks that is marriage is an ordinary one,, but as Mothwr Shepard said ,his marriage is attched to his purpose,, and from what I'm hearing in terms of gossip and how they dres, none of these women are evrn candidates taht are out discussing him... Ibeg God to send him His Partner, His helpmate and that he will know her and she will know him and that he will instruct her as to what God's will is for their lives , and them all those woman in his Church to distract him from his purpose will leave and I know they will,,IDON'T BELIEVE ONE WORD OF WHAT 'THE INSIDER ' SAID YOU ARE A LIAR AND A SPREADER OF UNTRUTHS AND SO IS YOUR FRIEND, GET A LIFE OF YOUR ON AND STAY OUT OF THE BISHOP.S ,,,GOD BLESS THIS MAN AND HIS WIFE ..ONCE THEY GET TOGETHER A LOT OF THIS MADNESS WILL STOP.. THEN WHO WILL YOU ALL TALK ABOUT ????
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wisdom
2005-10-31 10:07:03
to DWCOM: I agree, it sounds like some high school mess, that is so disrectful to tell some one to "SHUT UP", especially if they were mostly sharing God's word!!!! I'm going to chill for a while, if y'all have some dialogue that is thought provoking and worthwhile, then I might partake!!! until then HOLLA BACK!!!!!!LOL
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minister\' wife
2005-10-31 10:17:20
DWCOM I agree wit you, I was strugglinging for words to write. If would be a good idea ,when he get's marrired to sale their home in Los Angeles and start over new someplace else
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+++++++++
2005-10-31 10:54:43
Folks, it's been interesting, but this room has gotten very creepy over the last several days. It's time for me to go. You all take care.
From:
...........................
2005-10-31 12:56:46
MINISTER'S WIFE, Do you mean, change the place they live or start another ministry???? Because if you mean move and start another ministry, wouldn't they be defeating the purpose???
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minister\'s wife
2005-10-31 16:24:13
FAREWELL ALL All I they is they should prayer separately and together and live where they choose because there are demons everywhere,,, but even if they stay in Los angeles ,they should ,after they marry or before find a new home ,to put them both on eqaul footage... I would have to think that he regards the present place of residence as his they need a place that's new to both of them. GOODBYE ABD GOD BLESS
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Single Sista
2005-10-31 16:57:37
Just Asking, I am certainly not a false prophet, but I am an inspired spokesperson for the Lord. I am a minister(servant).
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Single Sista
2005-10-31 17:08:32
JUST ASKING, The 5 fold ministry gifts are as you probably already know are : Apostle, Prophet,Evangelist, Pastor, Teacher.I would like to recommend a good book by TL Lowery "Apostles And Prophets Reclaiming The Biblical Gifts". The Lord blessed me to attend Dr. Lowery's first spiritual impartation conference and I was given a copy of the book free.
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Single Sista
2005-10-31 17:13:55
Wisdom, It's okay if you want to "chill" a while, we understand. Don't leave because you are a true source of wisdom. You have encouraged me by your words. Telling me to shut up doesn't bother me. It does not surprise me that the devil wants to shut my mouth. I'll be like the rocks, I shall cry out. LOL
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Single Sista
2005-10-31 17:18:58
Wisdom, Recount the story of blind Bartimaeus. Now, suppose he would have shut up like he was ordered to, would he have received his healing? NO, he cried the more with a loud voice, "Jesus, thou son of David have mercy upon me." It was satan who wanted him to SHUT UP and go away BLIND!!
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JUST ASKING
2005-10-31 17:36:02
Single Sista, there seems to be a misunderstanding. I am not the one that accused you of being a false prophet. Someone posted that in response to my positive post I wrote to you earlier. I asked, are you a minister, evangelist or teacher? BUT never mentioned the word prophet. Please read all comments and questions thoroughly to avoid responding negatively to someone not guilty of the false accusations nor name calling. PLEASE!!
From:
JUST ASKING
2005-10-31 18:04:01
No, I didn't misunderstand you. I know that wasn't your posting that referred to me as a false prophet. Thank you for clarifying. A previous posting, not yours and I knew that, called me a false prophet. It may have been the same person who told me to SHUT UP.
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JUST ASKING
2005-10-31 18:18:36
Single sista, LOL. Now, you are placing my screen name in the sender field for your posts. I know you did not do this intentionally. (LOL)
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wisdom
2005-10-31 18:27:54
to single sista: I'm glad that I, (with the help my Lord), could be a source of encouragement....and I agree with you, we shouldn't let people "shut us up" because that is EXACTLY what the enemy wants to do!!!!! I was just kinda disgusted by some of the comments made by the "Insider"....now, I don't see anything wrong with having discussions and sharing information, but when comments have a malicious and destructive intent, I get somewhat upset. Because ALL the people of God have the same enemy, the devil!!!!! I will be commenting from time to time.....as you can see I continue to check out the dialogue....LOL....so when I feel led, I will offer some input, and I will Cry Loud and Spare Not!!!! LOL
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Single Sista
2005-10-31 18:29:34
JUST ASKING, No I did this unknowingly, sorry.
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Single Sista
2005-10-31 18:40:07
Wisdom, I got a little peeved myself with some of the more previous postings about myself. I think I rubbed some persons the wrong way when I described my being single. They took things way out to left field. What I was simply sharing with the single sistas, is that you can be whole and happy living single. I guess I sounded a little bit like Joseph talking about his coat of many colors and sharing some personal information(prophecy) that made his brothers angry with him. I, in no way thought I was submitting a resume. You don't need a resume when you have FAVOR. The job I was referring to in a previous posting, I had no resume for. God gave me FAVOR. It was simply admonition to my single sistas to enjoy their single lives.
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JUST ASKING
2005-10-31 19:09:45
Single Sista, no problem. And I agree with the comments Wisdom just posted.
From:

2005-10-31 19:35:57
lol...yeah....SHUT UP! SINGLE SISTA YOU ARE A FALSE PROPHET!
From:

2005-10-31 19:38:25
THE DEVIL CAN QUOTE SCRIPTURE TOO!
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mother shepard
2005-10-31 19:46:05
was enjoying the discussions , but Exery since Sista Single entered the room, there seem to be a dark cloud,, it's something wrong with her postings.. It's not hard to discern spirits even on line. You seem to be up to no good. I think it's time for me go back to old-fashioned Bible reading and prayer.. so long and God Bless
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Single Sista
2005-10-31 20:35:32
Father forgive them, for they no not what they do.
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wisdom
2005-10-31 21:10:37
to: Mother Shepard and everybody else.........Personally, I don't think there has been a problem since Single Sista entered the room....I think there has been a problem since, SATAN has entered the room......Every since Single Sista entered the room, 1 or 2 individuals have given her a hard time!!!!.....let's use some common sense people....If she was after the Bishop (which most of you thought), would she have said that "she was a single sista who enjoys being SINGLE", And she doesn't need a man to make her whole????" Go back and read her original posting!!!! LOL And if she was the "devil", Why don't we use a different approach and try to love the "devil" out of her!!!! Jesus knew who Judas was,......did HE bad mouth Judas every day????? No, because he knew Judas had a purpose!!!!!! Let's remember people, we don't have to "mount the pulpit" and get a microphone to impact people's lives!!!!! We impact lives on these keyboards too!!!! LOL these are my thoughts.............
From:
???????//
2005-10-31 21:41:39
REVERSE PSYCHOLOGIST,SOME PEOPLE THINK THE BISHOP WANTS A CHALLENGE IN A WOMAN. SATAN OR SISTA SOMETHING STINKS IN THIS ROOM NOW ,,I ENJOY BEING SINGLE TO SOME MEN 'THAT'S A "ILL SEE ' She's bad news,,HER PURPOSED MUST BE TO CLEAR OUT THIS ROOM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE'S DOING.. SEE YA !
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wisdom
2005-10-31 21:51:55
to: ??????//Regardless of what people might think the Bishop "want's" in a woman, obviously nobody elses "psychology" has worked in all these years....so what's your point???? Does Single Sista seem to have some type of edge or jump to you????? LOL
From:

2005-11-01 06:46:24
Let no CORRUPT communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath and anger, and clamour, and EVIL SPEAKING, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as GOD for Christ's sake hath forgiven YOU. Ephesians 4:29-32 KJV
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DWCOM
2005-11-01 09:20:35
Single Sista, be encouraged. There's nothing wrong with being single, complete, whole and loving it. It's obvious people took it the wrong way. Sometimes you can't be so direct and to the point. People get offended and read more into then it really is. I have the same "issue" (smile) at time. You are who who are and their is nothing wrong with it. It appears that if you are a single woman on this forum, you're after The Bishop LOL! LOL! LOL! Wisdom, I'm with ya on the problem being that Satan entered the room.
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2005-11-01 12:00:18
DO ANY OF YOU REALLY THINK SATAN IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ROOM? NO, WHEN A BUNCH OF WOMEN HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN DISCUSS THE MARITAL STATUS OF BISHOP NOEL JONES AND OTHERS FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET, THE DOOR TO EVIL IS WIDE OPEN. WITH ATTACKS AGAINST THE CHURCH, ONGOING WARS, ECONOMIC CRISIS, DISPLACED HURRICANE SURVIVORS, DRUG INFESTED COMMUNITIES, HOMELESSNESS, TEEN PREGNANCIES, AIDS, OTHER DISEASES AND MORE....SATAN IS BUSY!!
From:

2005-11-01 12:16:27
/AND LET THE ROOM SAY AMEN!
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wisdom
2005-11-01 12:16:54
SATAN is concerned about any "door" where God may be GLORIFIED!!!! The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: So wherever he can "work his agenda" he is there!!!!! including THIS ROOM!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-01 12:24:45
No matter what this room was "originally" established for....a lot of truth and ideas have been shared here to encourage some and enlightened others....So I feel Satan loves to keep people in darkness, so where ever truth is......He is there to be a hinder!!!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-01 12:30:11
I have one question to as the poster who posted that message regarding what is concerned about. Why aren't you making better use of your time when you could be out there where you say the attacks are?
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wisdom
2005-11-01 12:31:38
to DWCOM: now that was a good one!!!! LOL
From:
Sara New York
2005-11-01 16:44:25
Let's give it a rest unti we have something interesting to talk about
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Single Sista
2005-11-01 17:03:28
My dear sistas and brothas it is the WORD that cleans house, not single sista. I've got nothing but love for you. I aint mad at ya. To those that took my postings out of context or misinterpreted the same, I am not AFTER Bishop Noel Jones. I did not enter this room to discuss the man of God. Although, I must say I had no idea what this room was all about. After I posted a few times, I would come back to this site and read so much STUFF that like I said in an earlier posting, it just captivated me. Then I started writing and sharing my thoughts and I enjoy the fellowship. I must admit now I am somewhat hesitant because persons are becoming unfairly beligerant with me. I had a blessed day today and I hope everyone else did also.
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wisdom
2005-11-01 17:54:06
to single sista: why are you now somewhat hesistant about sharing???? I'm sure in your Christian walk this isn't the first time people haven't given you a good reception!!!! You have just as much right as anyone else to share YOUR thoughts on this site....Our Lord was despised and rejected too!!!....and He came to HIS own, and His own received Him not!!!!Sista, don't let these people bother you!!!! SHAKE DEM HATERS OFF!!!!! LOL LOL
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DWCOM
2005-11-01 18:37:41
Amen Wisdom! Shake them right on off and keep keep posting! LOL! LOL!
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Single Sista
2005-11-01 20:17:40
Wisdom,DWCOM, Quite frankly sistas, I am not accustomed to being addressed in this manner. It's harsh. Yes, I can deal with it. The question is, do I want to? I can shonuff shake dem haters off!!! LOL. I must admit I have been very candid and some persons can't handle that. I shall keep posting from time to time. The Word of God is very much a part of my life, and it is difficult for me not to share His Word. I think some persons feel I have turned this room into a sanctuary. LOL I am going to beat somebody to saying, AMEN!!
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Single Sista
2005-11-01 21:03:39
Wisdom, Yes the Word of God is our "road map", while I make no apologies for sharing His Word, we are making persons uncomfortable because they want to discuss Bishop Noel Jones. The Word is bringing some under conviction for things they have said negatively against the man of God. So I sense some have backed off.
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Single Sista
2005-11-01 21:12:31
Wisdom, disregard the comment about being self-righteous. People recognize their own shortcomings and project them onto you. To be Christlike is to show love. When you love the Lord you will hide His Word in your heart(memorize and meditate)on it that you will not SIN against Him. No where in your postings did I sense you were putting others down.
From:

2005-11-01 21:23:55
WHERE IS THE LOVE!
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Single Sista
2005-11-01 21:26:03
To the person who made the comment about getting over yourselves, we have no righteousness of our own. When the Lord returns, He is coming back for a church without a spot, wrinkle, blemish, or ANY such thing. That does not leave room for unholiness. Get the broom out I was talking about a few postings ago. Start sweeping around your OWN front door. I suggest if you find a spot, wrinkle, blemish, or anything else (SIN), get rid of the dead weight.
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Single Sista
2005-11-01 21:37:52
First of all God is love. He is perfect in His love. He is gracious and kind, but in His perfect love is judgment. What I am saying is simple. The same God who loves you and does not want to see you end up in hell, is the same God who is giving everyone an opportunity to REPENT. When a person refuses to obey Him, in His perfect love judgment will come. The wages of SIN is DEATH. There are no gray shades on the highway to heaven. You are either saved or not saved. You either love Him or you don't. You can not sit on the fence. One day I'm saved, the next day I'm not. You are either hot or cold.
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Single Sista
2005-11-01 21:42:51
My last comment tonight is this: The Lord wants us to be hot or cold. He is the one that said He will spew you out of His mouth for being LUKEWARM.
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wisdom
2005-11-01 22:00:24
I have at no time exalted myself on this site!!!! but I will however, EXALT MY LORD AND HIS WORD AND WHAT HE HAS DONE IN MY LIFE!!!! And if someone takes offense, then that is too bad!!!....the were offended by my LORD JESUS TOO!!!! and whoever you are....LOL why don't you ask WHERE IS THE LOVE! when false accusations and low down stuff is being said about Bishop Noel Jones!!!!! I think your question would be more appropriate then!!!! LOL LOL!!!! HOLLA
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wisdom
2005-11-01 22:22:49
Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. Psalms 119:165
From:

2005-11-01 22:37:58
Do we Know they are False????
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wisdom
2005-11-01 22:42:54
even if they are true, we don't need to be speaking of things we don't know of, especially against the Man of God!!!!! All I'm saying is you should ask the question WHERE IS THE LOVE!when those comments are made!!!! LOL not when people post the Word of God!!!! LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-01 22:50:14
He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends. Proverbs 17:9
From:

2005-11-01 23:25:47
SATAN AND HIS DEMONS CAN QUOTE SCRIPTURE!
From:

2005-11-01 23:28:39
BUT THE DEVIL CAN'T SHOW LOVE...AND NEITHER CAN YOU!
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wisdom
2005-11-01 23:46:37
Oh I'm sorry boo, you don't feel loved!!!! Okay I love you, good night....If you ever get enough nerve to put a name by your posting, I could probably love you even more...you sweet thing you...LOL
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MR.Murikhtaran
2005-11-02 06:49:43
I have been missionary for many years , I went to college at UCLA in America . My friends from ARUBA ask me find out information on Bishop Noel Jones. Several sites were given to me but I must confess , this one is of of great amazement to me ,and some what disturbing. The obsession with his Bribe is mind twisting to say the least.. I agree that his Ministry and his marriage is connected to his purpose, he has a Wodld wide ministry and it's growing. He will probadly not marry himself in female form where they my be a match and mates they will have differences, that's where growth comes in, if they are both the same how can they grown. Wile attending UCLA School of Dentistry I met and fell in love with a lady from Utah ,we married she is sloopy .I on the other hand am very neat, she rises early ,I sleep until 8;00a , I love fish, she's a meat and potatoe person,our taste in music different,tho we like some of the same artist. when I first met her , but what we did have in common was our Love of God.. We have traveled all over the world together ,I open dental clinic or perform dental work in some of the most unkept places in The world ,to people who can not afford dental care, my wife was more refine when we met,daughter of a Judge. but it was 'her'society background, that allows me intro into the people in high places that I needed to go to solict money for our work , she was comfortable there ,I was not, tho I'm more now than I was 7 years ago. And she was terrified of some of the inner cities,that we go in to, even tho in her spirit she wanted to do God's work she was scared, I on the other hand have always taken God with me and have had few problems ,the people are grateful , balanced out each otherand we have open communications about our likes and dislikes. The point of all of this is God has a Greater work for this Man Noel Jones 'His "SERVANT and h knows exactly what he needs and will provide it. This page could be better used to discuss 'How to become better Kingdom Builders. I leave with God's Love and Peace , Lift him Higher !!!!
From:

2005-11-02 09:21:42
Good Advice!!!! Enough Said!!!
From:

2005-11-02 10:02:31
MR MURIKHTARAN YOU EXPRESSED LOVE WITHOUT QUOTING ONE SCRIPTURE. THANK YOU. KNOWING THE WORD IS IMPORTANT AND REQUIRED. BUT AS CHRISTIANS, WE MUST DEMONSTRATE THE WORD, NOT JUST SAY THE WORDS.
From:

2005-11-02 10:11:28
LOOKING FOR LOVE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES!!!!
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Sara in new York
2005-11-02 10:14:23
God Bless you Dr. Murikhtaran , the way you referred to yourself as mister instead of Doctor,,speaks loudly .you are a true servant of God and sometimes we forget what's important . Good luck and may God bless all that you and your wife do. I will spend the rest of my day trying to do something good.
From:

2005-11-02 10:47:03
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 TIMOTHY 4:2-4 You know the WORD will either "draw you or drive you"!!!!
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2005-11-02 11:04:15
Enough said Doctor ,,Thank you
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2005-11-02 12:12:28
"BECAUSE" by TD Jakes--------------- Just because no one has been fortunate enough to realize what a gold mine you are, Doesn't mean you shine any less. Just because no one has been smart enough to figure out that you can't be topped, Doesn't stop you from being the best. Just because no one has come along to share your life, Doesn't mean that day isn't coming. Just because no one has made this race worthwhile, Doesn't give you permission to stop running. Just because no one has realized how much of an awesome woman you are, Doesn't mean they can affect your femininity. Just because no one has shown up who can love you on your level, Doesn't mean you have to sink to theirs. Just because you deserve the very best there is, Doesn't mean that life is always fair. Just because God is still preparing your king, Doesn't mean that you're not already a Queen. Just because your situation doesn't seem to be progressing right now, Doesn't mean you need to change a thing. Keep shining, keep running, Keep hoping, and keep praying, Keep being exactly what you are already. COMPLETE!!
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2005-11-02 13:04:54
BECAUSE T.D JAKES IS UGLY ,WHAT?
From:

2005-11-02 13:23:02
I prefer the word "unattractive", "ugly" is so harsh. LOL
From:

2005-11-02 15:05:26
TRUTH SOMETIMES IS
From:

2005-11-02 15:58:25
Who says every single sista is waiting on a king?
From:

2005-11-03 12:16:17
Wash Day Lord, help me wash away all my selfishness and vanity, so I may serve you with perfect humility through the week ahead. Tuesday Ironing Day Dear Lord, help me iron out all the wrinkles of prejudice I have collected through the years so that I may see the beauty in others. Wednesday Mending Day O God, help me mend my ways so I will not set a bad example for others. Thursday Cleaning Day Lord Jesus, help me to dust out all the many faults I have been hiding in the secret corners of my heart. Friday Shopping Day O God, give me the grace to shop wisely so I may purchase eternal happiness for myself and all others in need of love. Saturday Cooking Day Help me, my Savior, to brew a big kettle of brotherly love and serve it with clean, sweet bread of human kindness. Sunday The Lord's Day O God, I have prepared my house for you. Please come into my heart so I may spend the day and the rest of my life in your presence.
From:

2005-11-03 22:12:09
Hey, Hey Aw, give me a break! Now what makes you any authority on anythang?
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................................
2005-11-03 22:34:11
I'm with ya, hey hey....there were some good conversations going on, then some "unhappy, ignorant and uninformed" individuals began to rise up!!!!!
From:

2005-11-04 00:41:17
"The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth." Ecclesiates 12:10 "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." Matthew 5:9 Thank you Dr. Murikhtaran and God Bless!!
From:

2005-11-04 08:28:20
While shopping at a local Walmart, I spotted a man with an acronym on his shirt that had B.A.D. Me, being the person that I am (curious), I stopped the man and asked, "What does B.A.D. stand for?" And trust me, you'll be amazed at what his response was. He replied, B.A.D. stands for: "Blessed And Delivered". That thought stuck with me as I finished doing my shopping that day. So I came up with a little advice for you today. 1. When the enemy tries to attack you, be B.A.D. 2. When things don't seem to be going right on your job, be B.A.D. 3. When things are not looking good in your marriage, be B.A.D. 4. When folks scandalize your name, just be B.A.D. Get with you somebody who you know that you can be B.A.D. with!!! ***********May God Bless You And Have A B.A.D.Day!!!**************
From:

2005-11-04 08:56:53
THANK YOU FOR THE INSPIRATION.
From:

2005-11-04 12:05:51
You are quite welcome.....I'm trying to post some positive things....
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2005-11-05 04:34:05
BY MAYA ANGELOU When I say... "I am a Christian" I'm not shouting "I'm clean livin.'" I'm whispering "I was lost, Now I'm found and forgiven." When I say... "I am a Christian" I don't speak of this with pride. I'm confessing that I stumble and need Christ to be my guide. When I say... "I am a Christian" I'm not trying to be strong. I'm professing that I'm weak ! And need His strength to carry on. When I say... "I am a Christian" I'm not bragging of success. I'm admitting I have failed And need God to clean my mess. When I say... "I am a Christian" I'm not claiming to be perfect, My flaws are far too visible. But, God believes I am worth it. When I say... "I am a Christian" I still feel the sting of pain. I have my share of heartaches. So I call upon His name. When I say... "I am a Christian" I'm not holier than thou, I'm just a simple sinner, who received God's good grace, somehow. Share this with somebody who already has this understanding, as reinforcement. But more importantly, share this with those who do not have a clear understanding of what it means to be a Christian, so that the myth that Christians ! think they are "perfect" or "better than others" can be dispelled.
From:

2005-11-05 08:46:22
TODAY T-trust God O-obey God D-decide to love Him A-accept His love Y-yesterday is gone START FRESH TODAY!! Anonymous
From:

2005-11-05 12:26:04
no one has a name any more ?
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 14:19:26
Hello my brothas and sistas in Christ. Yes, persons have names, but I think persons are not leaving their names anymore because so much of the WORD has come forth and brought them under conviction for bad mouthing Bishop Noel Jones. I honestly think some are ashamed believe it or not. The WORD of God is a TWO edged sword, it will cut you coming and going. LOL Don't be "scurred". Have a blessed time in church tomorrow. Going shopping now $$$.
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wisdom
2005-11-05 15:30:00
yep, Single Sista, I think they left because there was to much WORD and not enough "LOVE" for them!!!!!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-05 17:05:04
DITTO ??????/
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wisdom
2005-11-05 17:05:17
to????????/ I am a "lover of souls", and I try not to side with anyone but the Lord and "truth".....I just don't feel its right to try and make someone suppress their views and their "true self". I think we all should be able to express ourselves.....I don't like to rush to judgement and "throw" anyone away, because I realize "all of us" are in the growth process. Yes, Single Sista, is different from the norm on this site, but I feel everyone deserves a chance!!!! Just because I come to persons defense, doesn't mean I necessarily agree with their approach.... Have you ever thought that she may be young and impressionable and could learn from some of us that may be older??? Should we just reject her or let her be herself like the rest of us?? Whether we like what she says or not.....can we agree to disagree????? Y'all acted like she was the ANTICHRIST!!!! lol
From:

2005-11-05 17:40:29
No one is required to use a name to post, and it really does not matter because in most postings real names are not being disclosed anyway. And since God knows who we are, we should be mindful of what we say. God knows the nature of each man's heart and he is not deceived.
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 18:05:43
Like I said, "I ain't mad at ya". Yes, I come from the streets and was at one time very worldly until the Lord cleaned up my life. To each's own and to some of you that left the room, good riddens. I'll be leaving very shortly myself!! LOL
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 18:13:20
They left the room because they felt wrong about dissing the man of God. Everything has been discussed about him on this site. The good, the bad, and the ugly. What else is left? Some will attend his services tomorrow just to socialize and find out what female friend or friends of his are there. They won't be there for worship or to hear the word of God. Those very ones who have disrespected this servant of God will be right back on this web site to find out what will go on tomorrow and then gossip about. Just like they have done in this room. I shall not participate with that at ALL!!
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 18:20:27
??????, By what authority do you rebuke me. You are of your father, the devil. I have read your negative postings concerning Bishop Jones. I know who Bishop Noel Jones is. He flys all over this country preaching the word. Do you think I live on a remote island somewhere? Get real!!!
From:
wisdom
2005-11-05 18:23:44
to Single Sista: Girl, I am trying to come to your defense, will you behave!!!! LOL Every body on this site hasn't disrespected the Bishop, some of us really love him and his ministry!!!! However, I think they created this site to talk about him, so that's just what they do.....LOL Its not ALL BAD, we have some interesting topics and discussions......and its another avenue to share the Word and your points of view. Don't get mad and leave. They say things about me too, but I'm not going to let it make me bitter but better!!! All that don't kill us, makes us stronger!!!! All that will live Godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution!!!!! II Timothy 3:12
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 18:49:40
Wisdom, I wouldn't be leaving this room for those reason. It's justing getting to be old hat for me. I'm not interested in discussing Bishop Jones. The minister's wife probably left this room because her husband who is a Pastor told her to. She did not make a good impression with me as a First Lady, not at all. Mr. LA & ++++++, ??????//, are just plain out there. I am not impressed with them either. You all can talk about the Bishop be it good or bad, but I shall not join in this with you. I simply can not and will not.
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wisdom
2005-11-05 18:50:28
to Single Sista: did you read what I said about my youth and my "wonder years"???? LOL We have to learn to accept people in whatever state they are in and not condemn them, but receive them, and then offer suggestions and solutions....Jesus ate with publicans and sinners, I don't remember him being angered by them......these are my thoughts
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2005-11-05 18:55:43
My gender has never been discussed We have had some interesing conversation's , not all about The Bishop's status but things that sharing things that could help All of us. I occurred to me that many people veiw this page whether they leave comments or not and I would hate to think some of the things they read are the impression that they leave here with him... I don't know what kind of women he likes , but I do know that she will be a woman of God and I think she is near,, and that's all that matters .then all those 'wannabes' will give it a rest. I've ssen sme and heard others saying that they are 'The One'... they must be crazy..one thing she will be is a lady !!!!! and so over all of this mess,,,,,STRESSED IS DESSERTS spelled backwards .. May The Bishop and his wife have many ' sweet' days together
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2005-11-05 18:58:13
WISDOM, JESUS SAID ..."SHAKE THE DUST OFF YOUR FEET..." WITH PEOPLE LIKE SINGLE SISTA. IT'S TIME YOU DID. SHE CLAIMS SHE IS NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT BISHOP JONES, YET SHE WENT THROUGH PAST POSTs TO BRING OUT NEGATIVITY ABOUT HIM...SHE IS WICKED...LET HER GO!
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wisdom
2005-11-05 19:00:35
to Single Sista: I'm not asking you to talk about the Bishop (be it good or bad).....I'm just saying, don't be angered or annoyed by the personal attacks and comments!!!! When you said yes to Christ, you know you opened the door for opposition, whether it comes from saint or sinner....its just a part of the christian walk!!!!
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 19:08:17
??????//, sounds like Big O Sissy in LA, lol
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wisdom
2005-11-05 19:14:04
to single sista: Now there you go starting stuff, but I thought the same thing too, sounds just like him!!!! LOL LOL But its all good!!!!LOL
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2005-11-05 19:16:42
Dr. Murikhtaran described this site as one of great amazement to him and somewhat disturbing. Yes, Jesus did eat with publicans and sinners but He did not participate in foolishness. No, we are not to condemn or judge others, yet we must be mindful and know when we have crossed the line between right and wrong.
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 19:18:02
I am not angry or annoyed, I;m just simply bored with all this kid stuff. It is old hat. I shall be leaving this room soon. It has been interesting. It's just not ME. It is okay to have proper discussions about a servant of God, but a lot of what has been talked about is to me STUFF. Read what Dr. M. from Africa wrote. I agree with him.
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 19:23:53
Wisdom, Did you really think the same thing? He is in here, I know. I perceive it. LOL LOL. He is in hiding, but trust me, he ain't "scurred at all".
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wisdom
2005-11-05 19:25:27
to single sista: well, "if but a lot of what has been talked about is to you STUFF". then I'm just curious, what keeps you coming back???? Are you hoping for change??? LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-05 19:33:44
to single sista: Are you really Dr. Phil???? LOL LOL
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 19:43:05
Wisdon, Not all of it is STUFF. It's just human nature, curiousity. Whose talking today, what they are saying. Actually, I have been doing some shopping for a niece online. While I'm on the web, I stop by. Nothing really on TV now, so I just drop in. Single Sista is just that a single sister. I use ebonics on here, but in reality, I don't talk that way. I started talking like others in this room when I came in here. I don't call my brothers or sisters in Christ, brotha, sista, that's not how I speak. I do consider myself intelligent. Forgive my mispelled words at times, I don't always go back to correct them. I, however, am not young and impressionable as some think. I am middle aged and I live on the east coast. I am curious, there I go again, but I'd like to know where some of you are. Not, specifically, like east or west coast maybe? I do not in my everyday life use words like scurred, I don't talk like that. LOL. I guess I was just trying to fit in with you all. I am not a STREET person. Those days are LONG gone. These are the good old days now. I am just blessed and highly favored. Someone said a few posts ago, If I stood on my feet eight hours, it's only seven, that I was not favored. I must admit when I was standing and was tired at work one day, I thought about what they said. LOL. When I see my paycheck, it's defitely favor and I thank God!!! He is good to me.
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2005-11-05 20:08:14
SINGLE SISTA YOU KEEP PROMISING TO LEAVE...GO ALREADY!
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 20:15:00
Wisdom, you sound like a seasoned person in the Lord. Did I really come across as a younger person? Our judgment must be according to the Word. It must be righteous judgment. If is walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck. No second guessing necessary. It is what it is. When you know the truth, you can let STUFF roll off your back. It goes in one ear and out the other so to speak. I try to let my armour do the work. I am older than you in age and in my walk with God.
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wisdom
2005-11-05 20:19:52
to single sista: I just think that sometimes, like I said last week in the dialogue, that the Lord will show us a lot about people, but it is not always for us to say anything.....He shows so we can pray for individuals.... and sometimes He shows us just for our benefit!!! not for us to judge or point fingers!!!! God knows where each of us are in our walk, sharing the Word is good, but making personal attacks isn't so good.....these are my thoughts
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Single Sista
2005-11-05 20:21:16
I'm closer than you think on leaving this room. Just don't RUSH me. LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-05 21:06:53
to single sista: I think in this day and time, the people of God need to glorify God!!!! you know a few years back, everybody was wearing the bracelets and stuff that said "WWJD", "WHAT WOULD JESUS DO"???? so before we call judgement on "anybody", we need to ask ourselves that question, "WHAT WOULD JESUS DO" in this situation???? Because to represent God, means exactly that, to RE-PRESENT, Him....so let's re-present God and offer some solutions instead of launching attacks.....these are my thoughts
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wisdom
2005-11-05 21:44:17
Amen DWCOM!!!!!! sometimes our flesh wanna lash out and "go off" to get back at people, and WE say its God!!!!! shame on us!!!! We will do anythang in HIS name!!!! LOL these are my thoughts......lol
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wisdom
2005-11-05 22:26:06
Single Sista, I know you won't be posting anymore, but, however you will be reading....LOL....did you forget about my question....Do you have any solutions or suggestions you can offer him as a "woman of God", to help him reach total deliverance in his life???? Now that you have pointed out his wrong, offer him some viable solutions and possible pathways to deliverance!!!!!.....don't just leave him hanging woman of God!!!! Help the brotha!!!! We shouldn't attack without building back up!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-05 22:31:30
Single Sista, don't leave Mr. LA in the "Superdome" George Bush!!!! help him!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-05 22:49:09
"It takes a deep commitment to change and even deeper commitment to grow." -Ralph Ellison
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2005-11-05 22:56:07
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD, THE WITCH IS DEAD, THE WITCH IS DEAD (FROM THE WIZARD OF OZ)...GOOD RIDDANCE!
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2005-11-05 23:04:56
LOL, LOL
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2005-11-06 00:10:48
What are you sowing spiritually , and what will you reap?
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2005-11-06 00:45:59
YOU CAN GO WITH HER!
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2005-11-06 01:16:54
If one's motive is self-glory and not the glory of God, the result is loss. And, if one's motive is seeking the praise of people, there will be no reward from God. Based upon what has been sown on this site tonight, what reward do you all think you'll receive from God?
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2005-11-06 01:24:30
Anyway, lift up Bishop Noel Jones and all of the pastors from coast to coast who labor and pray for the souls of the people. "One man has enthusiasm for 30 minutes, another for 30 days, but it is the man who has it for 30 years who makes a success of his life." -Edward E. Butler "Real leaders are ordinary people with extraordinary determination." -Anonymous
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miniters wife
2005-11-06 08:03:23
I looked in the old hymnl and the word ' WOUNDED ' is used instead of WORNED', I like that better beacuse it speaks to me more.. Let Today be the day ,that you take back what the DEvil has stolen from you//and give God the Praise .Don't live another day beneath your Father's PROMISE . Thank you Jesus for the Internet . TAKE IT
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2005-11-06 10:24:33
"He that hath My commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me; and he that Loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself in him" (John 14:21) As we obey God's Word, it will keep us right in our thinking, warm in our spirit, and holy in conversation. Doing what we know is God's will gives us peace in our hearts.
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2005-11-06 10:36:57
As written in Proverbs 10:12, Hatred stirs up quarrels, but love covers all offenses.
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2005-11-06 14:58:08
"The Lord's servants must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone. They must be patient with difficult people. They must gently teach those who oppose the truth." (2 Timothy 2:24-25)
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2005-11-06 15:15:43
WHY DON'T YOU JUST CUT AND PAST THE WHOLE KING JAMES VERSION (OR THE VERSION OF YOUR CHOICE) OF THE BIBLE TO THIS PAGE? THIS PIECEMEAL POSTING IS ANNOYING.
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2005-11-06 15:17:18
BEWARE...THE WITCH IS NOT QUITE DEAD BUT LURKING IN THE ROOM.
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2005-11-06 15:46:15
GOD’S LOVE …If you never felt pain, then how would you that I AM your Healer? If you never went through difficulties, how would you know that I AM your Deliverer? If you never had a trial, how could you call yourself an overcomer? If you never felt sadness, how would you know that I AM your Comforter? If you never made a poor choice, how would you know that I AM forgiving? If you knew all, how would you know that I would answer your questions? If you were never in trouble, how would you know I would come to your rescue? If you were never broken, then how would you know that I could make you whole? If you never had a problem, how would you know I AM your Problem Solver? If you never had any suffering, then how would you appreciate what Jesus went through for you? If you never went through the fire, then how would you become pure? If I gave you all things all at once, how would you appreciate them? If I never corrected you, how would you know I love you? If you had all power, then how would you learn to depend on ME? If your life were perfect, then why would you need ME? THANK YOU LORD!
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DWCOM
2005-11-06 16:39:36
If we are "Christians", then the Word of God HAS TO BE the FINAL AUTHORITY over our lives. Whatever level we are on or whatever walk of life we have come from, we MUST have the Word of God to look at to judge our own conduct, lives and our words by it if we are "Christians". I heard a preach say the following...When seasons change we see signs that show us seasons are changing. In the summer it's hot and in the winter it's cold. Those are sign. If we are are "Christians", then we ought to show some sign. None of us are always right all the time and there are times that all of us may not have the right spirit and/or motive. We can be and do better on this site then we have been doing. Let's love folk!
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wisdom
2005-11-06 17:35:51
DWCOM: I agree with your last post and I repent
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DWCOM
2005-11-06 18:00:04
Wisdom, I feel ya! I had to take a look at my own life and some of my past postings that I can't delete. I looked at how I got in flesh and was a poor example of a "Christian". You all may not know me personally, but God does know me and he sees! I decided that 1. I wasn't going to flunk the course that I'm taking and 2. Most of all, I'm not going let this site send me Hell, so I stopped logging on everyday. I want to stay SAVED! I've come too far to backslide!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-06 18:26:16
to DWCOM, I understand, I feel the same way....I acted totally out of character on last evening!!! Single Sista almost got me "off my square"!!!! LOL I wanna be a "peacemaker", not a debator or "antagonist"!!!!,..... but anyway, I'll try and do better next time, and respond out of a "pure" heart and not a "disturbed" mind!!!! LOL
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2005-11-07 09:59:23
Thank you.
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Mr.LA
2005-11-07 10:18:10
I will,Thanks
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2005-11-07 10:56:46
That's nice . Gibran said spmething that is in my spirit today. 'And think not that you can guide the course of Love, for Love if it finds you worthy shall guide your course'.
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2005-11-07 11:00:59
This is truth. Thanks.
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2005-11-07 12:26:31
i guess it is true. He is dating someone who sits up in the front.
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2005-11-07 12:56:14
. Which service,?,, what does she do? ... what is she like ? Is she cute? Thin/ medium built ..TALL or short ? Is this the one he was engaged to ?
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2005-11-07 13:13:39
Here they go again with gossip. "Truth burns up error." - Sojourner Truth
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Mr. LA
2005-11-07 13:14:57
O.K I'am not getting worked up this time without proof. Does she have on the 'Ring' ??? How do you know ? All I care about her is, is she a Cutie a Christain and that she Loves 'The Bishop..
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2005-11-07 13:28:15
No ring yet! Just dating.
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2005-11-07 13:29:58
Now, how do you know he is dating someone that sits up front???? did he acknowlege her or something????? or is this more speculation???? Why y'all be coming up with all these rumors??? Does the room get to boring or something????LOL Thank you for providing the entertainment!!!
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2005-11-07 13:30:54
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ,YOU GUESS IT'S TRUTH. WAS SOMEONE TRYING TO GUIDE THE COURSE IN ANOTHER DIRECTION???? Where did you get this infomation from??
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2005-11-07 13:36:15
No speculations at all. It's true.
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2005-11-07 13:40:28
Why are you so sure its true this time???
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2005-11-07 14:02:27
IT'S THE WICKED ONE STARTING MESS AGAIN...DON'T BE FOOLED!
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2005-11-07 14:09:29
Maybe, I thought the same thing!!!! Remember she is still lurking!!! LOL I think she might have a new BROOM!!! LOL
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ministers wife
2005-11-07 16:02:22
Let's hope its true , You know quite a few of us were in prayer last week for God's perfect will to be done in The Bishops his life ,,
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MINISTERS WIFE
2005-11-07 16:10:49
'Prayer changes things '
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2005-11-07 16:32:02
YES IT DOES!
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2005-11-07 17:57:55
There is no more lovely, friendly, and charming relationship, communion or company than a good marriage. - Martin Luther OF COURSE THIS IS SECOND TO GOD'S LOVE!!
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2005-11-07 20:14:48
WHEN HE DOES GET MARRIED, SHOULD HE ANNOUNCE IT BEFORE HAND OR JUST ELOPE? IF HE ELOPES, WILL THAT MAKE HIS MEMBERS ANGRY? IT HE ANNOUNCES THE MARRIAGE AHEAD OF TIME, WILL THAT CAUSE PROBLEMS?
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Mr. LA
2005-11-07 20:38:22
NO they won't get angry. but they will probadly want them to get married again there in the Church so that they can be a part of it,, But yes they should elope I think everyone will be happy for them,because it will not just be a marriage ,but a Testimony that God answers prayer
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?//?///
2005-11-07 21:08:48
Elope for sure and then come back and tell them
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2005-11-07 21:57:34
WHY SHOULDN'T THEY ANNOUNCE THE WEDDING BEFORE HAND?
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2005-11-08 00:48:15
haters would cause confusion and drama
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2005-11-08 10:05:36
A WINNER’S CREED If you think you are beaten, you are; if you think you dare not; you don’t; if you’d like to win but think you can’t, it’s almost a cinch you won’t. If you think you’ll lose you’re lost; for success begins with a person’s faith; and it’s all in the state of mind. Life’s battles don’t always go to the stronger or faster hand; they go to the one who trusts in God and always thinks “I can.” Start today believing, “I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me.” Philippians 4:13
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2005-11-08 10:30:43
TO ALL THE SISTAS WITH LOVE------------A good woman is proud of herself. She respects herself and others. She is aware of who she is. She neither seeks definition from the person she is with, nor does she expect them to read her mind. She is quite capable of articulating her needs. A good woman is hopeful. She is strong enough to make all her Dreams come true. She knows love and therefore she gives love. She recognizes that her love has great value and must be reciprocated. If her love is taken for granted, it soon disappears. A good woman has a dash of inspiration and endurance. She knows that she will, at times, have to inspire others to reach the potential God gave them. A good woman knows her past, understands her present and moves toward the future. A good woman knows God. She knows that with God the world is her playground, but without God she will just be played. A good woman does not live in fear of the future because of her past. Instead, she understands that her life experiences are merely lessons, meant to bring her closer to self-knowledge and unconditional self- love.
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2005-11-08 12:29:28
Sometimes we think we know it all ,and God steps we realize we don't have a clue. Thanks for the inspiration
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2005-11-08 13:03:10
AN Excellant wife is the crown of her husband.proverbs 12
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2005-11-08 13:18:55
Bishop will be on TBN tonight
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2005-11-08 13:47:35
what time ???? Will she be with him?
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2005-11-08 14:27:54
Check the front couple of rows to see if you see anyone who looks familar to you.
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??????/
2005-11-08 14:36:35
I'll be watching ,because if he's not there to annouce his engagement ,then she will be in the audience and the always put the cmera on the people there.. Is it Juanita 's show would her face be busted .????. you know it will. I'M not eve TIVOing ..I'll be a home
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2005-11-08 14:58:06
This is exciting!!!!
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2005-11-08 15:05:25
WHY WOULD JUANITA'S FACE BE BUSTED?
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2005-11-08 15:38:05
Didn't she have her eyes on The Bishop once?
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2005-11-08 15:39:59
REALLY? WHEN?
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2005-11-08 15:40:36
He's not weak enough for her
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Mr. LA
2005-11-08 15:54:59
Y'ALL is crazy.but you know I will be watching , because I've been given a description ,of what she may look like/ LOL Yo know Juanita likes weak men that why she married Bishop Weaks lol. Plus The Bishop don't want that..for many reason. don't leave me a post about gossiping. because I know juanita ,and believe me I'm being nice He needs someone sweet.. but if she is there she will be checking her out..I'll just call judy tommorrow and hear it all... that's how she is. But I doubt if The Bishop's Girlfriend will care because she has to know that if he wanted them he would not be with her,, child T.V.tonight is better than Desperate Housewives lol
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2005-11-08 16:06:03
for real!!!!!
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2005-11-08 16:23:38
What time will Bishop Jones be on ?
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2005-11-08 16:38:53
You guys went from The Bishop will be onTBN to ,His girlfriend will be with him to , to will he annouce his engagement - to who can spot her? Did anybody say she was coming with him? and I'm sure several members of his congregation will be with him. How will you know lol this is too funny
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2005-11-08 16:46:33
isn't the praise-athon on TBN, so how will we know the time slot????
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MR.LA
2005-11-08 17:09:29
Relax .It is not live from Tustin ,CA. He's on Paula White's it is taped with Bishop Jamal Bryant and Kirk Franklin. I doubt if she's with him, I would have heard something. I don't know if she lives in Los angeles or not. even if she travels with him who would know unless he introduced her .. and that did not happen ,I have SERIOUS HOOK-UPS So ya'll just pop that popcorn and relax we won't see her tonite so let's just recieve the word from The Bishop
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2005-11-08 17:21:11
THANK YOU Mr. LA
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2005-11-08 17:28:20
MR.LA i'm glad you did not leave for good.
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2005-11-08 17:45:48
me too!!!!
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2005-11-08 19:04:40
MR LA ARE YOU SURE BISHOP JONES WILL BE ON TDN TONIGHT...IT MIGHT BE THE EVIL ONE AGAIN STIRRIN THINGS UP...
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2005-11-08 19:05:43
MR LA WHAT'S HER DESCRIPTION?
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2005-11-08 19:15:26
CHECKED TBN WEBSITE...IT DOES LIST BISHOP JONES AS A GUEST TONIGHT...SORRY ABOUT THAT EVIL ONE
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2005-11-08 19:20:45
I THINK IT'S A RE-RUN FROM MEGAFEST IN AUGUST
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mr.la
2005-11-08 19:22:56
Iwant give out her description,because the person wasn't sure. he just thought that she was the one. It would not be right, but she's a sweet friendly looking cutee
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mr.LA
2005-11-08 19:31:45
I WON'T ,, IS WHAT I meant to right
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mr LA
2005-11-08 20:33:57
I'm so excited about hearing The Bishop I won't is what I meant to WRITE ..LOL
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2005-11-08 22:19:11
okay they changed the TBN calender because he was scheduled. ah shucks
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2005-11-08 22:40:41
BASED ON THE GUEST LIST IT WAS A RE-RUN ANYWAY
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2005-11-09 00:20:16
Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to rest. - Unknown Good night all and God Bless!!
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2005-11-09 04:50:32
Waiting is one of the most difficult disciplines Christians are called to practice. This is especially true when a heart’s desire is within reach and we are sure that God is about to bless us. But He always has a clear reason for asking us to wait, even when we cannot discern His motive for months or even years. Although difficult, waiting is essential to living a successful Christian life of obedience and reaped blessing. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-09 04:57:56
One of the main reasons believers step out of God’s will—and consequently out of fellowship with Him—is overeagerness to act on their own, without first receiving divine guidance. Too often, we make this mistake while trying to do something we believe will bring pleasure to the Lord. But we please our Father by following the Bible’s frequent exhortations to wait. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-09 05:56:17
Waiting is hard. We don’t want to stand still when our natural inclination says, “Grasp the prize before it slips away!” But wise believers wait until they have heard from God. Only then can we step out with confidence that we are walking in His will. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-09 06:15:45
But that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strengh .. Those In Touch postings are speaking to me,bcause I'm waitng to hear from God on a certain matter.
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2005-11-09 06:24:04
Praise the Lord!!!!-------------It is possible, however, for us to confuse waiting with idleness. Pausing for further instructions from God requires a determined stillness—a decision not to act until He provides clear direction. His plan for our life requires no guesswork on our part; He will give instructions when the time is right, so we must be in prayer and in the Word if we are to receive His directives. God works in this way because His plans are interconnected: what we do affects others as well as ourselves, both now and in the future. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-09 06:27:13
I think I need to rest on that Pillow.Thanks I heard Benny Hinn say once when waiting And we wanted 'Haste' from God to included. I'm praying to The God of The Jews ,Abraham,Isaac and Jacob ,any thoughts on that?? I MUST FIND A JOB!!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-09 08:12:20
????/ Do you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ????, or should I say the lordship of Jesus Christ.....because He told us if we ask the Father anything in HIS name he heareth us......John 16:23
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mInisters wife
2005-11-09 08:25:07
God is the God of ALL!!!!! And his Love is World wide .so no matter where you are God has yur destiny in his hands,I don't know if you have a wife but if you do Pray together. There is a job for you ask God for an ' Angel' of Direction to show you God is in Love with you and he Loves you and it is his pleasure to give you All that you need and then some,and all e wants is the praise!!!! I heard someone say the other day. If God said it , and I believe and So it is !!! No, if God' said it' That's enough , whether you believe .it or not !!!!! Thanks all of you for your Positive Postings. someone said 'Grasp the Prize before it get Away ' The prize can not get away whatever it is because it is on hold for whatever reason,it 'has' to be delivered to you ' SPECIAL DELIVERY' .Because it's been paid for , A long time ago on Calavary's Mountain.. Some of you are on the threshold of your Blessings . Just start Thanking him. God is just Perfecting !!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-09 08:46:46
to ?????/: I don't think I was clear enough on the message I was trying to relay,....Its okay to pray to the God of Abraham, Issaac and Jacob, because that is the "Most High God". But if we want our prayers "heard", The Word said to "Ask the Father in the Name of Jesus"!!!
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2005-11-09 08:50:03
Because waiting is a process, while you wait, pray, praise God, meditate on His promises, and magnify THE LORD rather than magnifying the desire, challenge or need.
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2005-11-09 08:51:17
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. John 14:13,14
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2005-11-09 09:06:18
Yes, ask in the precious and matchless name of Jesus and it's already done!!
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2005-11-09 09:33:36
What surprises many believers is that God's purpose for prayer is not to give extravagant gifts. The Father's goal is to build intimacy between Himself and His children in order to conform us to His likeness. When our attention is wrapped up in the Father and we are eager to be in His presence, He can move quietly to transform our hearts. The greater profit of prayer is not that we can gain something, but that we can relate to the One who supplies all our needs. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-09 09:39:35
Yes, relating to Jesus in relationship with Him because He is our Advocate is the greater profit of prayer. This is awesome!
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2005-11-09 09:48:21
WISDOM; BENNY HINN SAID ADDRESS GOD AS If he gave special favors to the Jews and would speed up th request,not right is it ?
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wisdom
2005-11-09 10:17:06
John Chapters 14, 15, 16, are filled with commands were Jesus told us to "ask the Father in His Name". Now, I know as "children of faith" we are Abraham's seed, and we do have the same promises that God made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but He gave the New Testament Christians a new covenant and told us If we ask anything in the Name of Jesus, He will do it!!!
From:

2005-11-09 10:57:59
MR.LA TERRY IS ASKING OPRAHFOR ADVICE ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP ???? WHERE'S STEDMAN LOL
From:

2005-11-09 11:04:33
We make decisions based on emotion. When life presses in on us, our instinct is to move away from the source of stress or pain. At such times, our need to remove difficulties and turmoil from our lives can take precedence over the Lord's plan. We figure He could not possibly want us to feel this way, so we take action and hope that we are in His will. Our emphasis is on ourselves rather than on God's purposes. We focus only on the immediate. Many times we come to God troubled about the choices we or our loved ones are facing. We do not see how this situation could possibly be His will. Our short-term focus prevents us from seeing the Lord's long-term purposes. - INTOUCH
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ministers wife
2005-11-09 11:17:16
Man's extremeties is God's Opportunity Ineed some help. we are counsuling a young man at our church . who is very well educated . nice and nicelooking. clean and in good shape, H
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ministers wife
2005-11-09 11:22:22
Man's extremeties is God's Opportunity Ineed some help. we are counsuling a young man at our church . who is very well educated . nice and nicelooking. clean and in good shape,he has had a series of misfortunes for a while . he believes that it is a KARMA DEBT. He wonders why he who lives his life holy and Christ like continues to be under attack, and then there are others that never looks God's way are being BLESSED, He asked me how is it decided who has to pay a Karma Debt and why? I can say I don't have the answer ,to me Calvary canceled out Karma ,am I wrong.? I don't know everything H
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wisdom
2005-11-09 11:46:29
to minister's wife: You were right, all our debts were cancelled at Calvary!!!!.....ALL things work together for good for those WHO love the Lord and are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28 So everything Good or Bad is working for our Good (if we Love the Lord)......As far as being attacked, the Lord told us that all that will live Godly in Christ Jesus would suffer persecution. II Timothy 3:12 and as far as the wicked, He told us in Psalm 37, that they may seem to triump, but eventually they will be "cut off". As believers, once we accept Christ, we are under the covering of blood and God's covenant, and not under "Karma"!!!! Tell him to be not weary in well doing, for in DUE SEASON, he shall reap if he faints not!!!! I hope this helps
From:

2005-11-09 11:50:59
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
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minister\'s wife
2005-11-09 11:57:24
Thank you Wisdom .yes it helps a great deal and you gave me scripture to back it up. I will speak with him tonite . he's just convinced that he's paying for something he did in a pastt life orr that his parents may have done ..this should satisfy him. thanks again
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2005-11-09 12:38:45
One of the most awesome realizations for a believer in Christ Jesus is that God has a plan for your life. He knows you, loves you, guides you, and sees exactly what you should do in every situation. Not only does He have a will for you, but He also makes it possible for you to know what that will is. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-09 13:10:33
AND HIS WILL 'MUST' BE DONE!!!! No if's and's or buts
From:

2005-11-09 17:01:18
Thank you Mr. LA for telling us about Terry McMillan on Oprah, poor woman.....she got played like a fiddle!!!!! LOL
From:

2005-11-09 17:57:02
JUST FINISHED WATCHING OPRAH...DID TERRY GIVE HIM MONEY FOR A SETTLEMENT? SOUNDS LIKE THE PRENUP STUCK.
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Mr. LA
2005-11-09 18:13:30
Who knows ya'll ,they may have settled when they took the bath child,LOL cause I think she heard for the first time on the show that Oprah had bought the rights to her new book ,it was done right there from Oprah's mouth to Terry's ear , Oprah thought wow this would make a good movie,o.k. Girlfriend should have let alone after 5 days !!!!!!
From:
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2005-11-09 18:41:45
yep, you can tell she is still full of anger!!!! I feel sorry for the next man too!!!! He is going to have a hard time gaining her trust!!! and that's understandable!!!! He says he still loves her, but she didn't open her mouth to that statement!!! LOL
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2005-11-09 20:32:57
I hope she is or has been in counseling and therapy, cause she definetly use it!!!! She seems dangerous after this ordeal!!!! LOL
From:

2005-11-10 01:34:36
One of the most powerful and wonderful things about the love of God is that His love is constant. We cannot earn or purchase it. And the greatest demonstration of His love for us was the cross. "But God commandeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
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DWCOM
2005-11-10 02:22:15
I see I missed a bit of action! LOL!! LOL!! LOL! You all are something else! I have a question, but let me say this first. It's not an attack, so you don't have to run to the Bishop's rescue. I am taking careful consideration in how I word this because I know the saints/aints on this site have a tendency to take one phase and run with it. Listen careful, I have a big issue with the "prosperity message" going forth in the church today and I feel the only people who have been really prosperous and have prospered from this message are the ones preaching this message. Bishop Jones does take up another offering after he preaches. Why does he do this? What is the purpose of it? Please understand what I'm saying. There isn't a hidden agenda. I did not say or imply that Bishop Jones preaches a "prosperity message" but because I do have a problem with the "prosperity message" I am curious as to why he takes up an offering after he preaches when an offering has been taken up previously? The few times that I have seen him live where he has taken up an offering after his sermon, I was probably so grieved that I didn't understand the purpose of it. I already know that I don't have to give in the offering. I just curious as to why he does this?
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2005-11-10 02:47:47
As I have said, I attend his church frequently. Whenever there is a guest preacher, especially a well known one, they always take up an offering when they're done. I even saw TD Jakes take up one at the City of Refuge (Bishop Jones' church) about 2 years ago. I think probably what happens is that the guest preacher receives a portion of the offering and the rest goes to the church. That's my sense of it. Perhaps MINISTER"S WIFE can give a definitive answer about these "extra" offerings. However, Bishop Jones is NOT a prosperity preacher.
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2005-11-10 05:19:01
The greatest of all God’s blessings has nothing to do with material wealth and social position, and everything to do with the closeness of His presence. This is why He instructed His disciples by saying, "Seek me first . . . and all these things will be added to you." Are your eyes set on the Savior because of what He provides or because you love Him? The test of true love is this–abiding with the One you love regardless of anything else. Learn to love Him and Him alone; then all your cares will be satisfied. - INTOUCH
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ministers wife
2005-11-10 06:56:26
We ll there was a time when a collection was taken up after a guest minister spoke,and that money was given to them for their sevices,now DWCOM I.m like you on this one, I'm carefully wording my next statements which is based on truthand facts. I don't think that is the case today wife some minister's T.D. Jakes $50,000 to guest preach to be paid before he shows up .along with Limo services while he is in town ,Five star Hotel, with gift shop priviledges, that's why I no longer follow his teaching, but it is my understanding that Bishop Jones rarely ask for moneyunless it's a disaster,his cingregation is rarely taxe but now on TBN Jan and Paul Crouch has certain programs where the major portion of the program is begging Creflo Dollar has been know to stop a service and say ;God told me 10 people in here can give me 10,000 thousands and we are not leaving until I get it. that's why I no longer follow him. But I don't believe that' s the case with Bishop Jones, but Money has become a major part of some Churches and that's wrong
From:

2005-11-10 06:58:18
Waiting on God requires reading His Word, asking Him to speak to your heart, and listening to Him. Because of your personal relationship with God, you can wait on Him to intervene in your life and to respond to your prayers. While it may be hard to wait, be strong and courageous. Resist the temptation to take action. When you feel discouraged or anxious, remember God is with you. If you wait on Him, He will bless you with His goodness. - INTOUCH
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Detroit
2005-11-10 09:07:22
Good idea Minister's wife. It would not work for or Church year round because we just don't have the Budget or the neighhood connections . But I could see myself spearheading this for Christmas so that all of our families would have a merry Christmas . what if we take up one big collection for that or should we just ask for donations of to be give at will up until Dec 10 then help or give a huge party for our Chilren and give them all gifts and parents can come or just for the Children???? what about Christmas Eve ??? Any thoughts
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wisdom
2005-11-10 09:16:19
to DWCOM: could it be that the second offering is taken because of those who may have arrived after the first offering??? It is to each individuals discretion, what they sow. I don't feel anyone should be pressured to give. But, remember, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully" 2 Corinthians 9:6 ......So I'm not saying make anyone "rich", but we most definetly benefit in our own lives when we sow into ministry. So, some ministries just offer several opportunities for you to give and be blessed!!! And if God doesn't speak to your heart to give, then don't feel obligated, you will still be blessed. We should just make sure WE obey God when He speaks to us to give.......these are my thoughts
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2005-11-10 11:02:09
Look ,I understand that it takes money to run a Church and Ministers wife I really thougt you would have another take on it cause you and your husband are at your congregation disposal. Some people are at every service , calling all week to speak to the pastor working his last nerve and they past the tray every sunday and don't put a dime in it!!!! and they ain't broke The Pastor works everyday and three or four services on
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wisdom
2005-11-10 11:07:29
to minister's wife: I was speaking of an offering at the end of service before the benediction!!!! not all through out the service. LOL And if "only" the pastor is getting blessed, then that is something that is a concern for each individual person. Because Jesus told us "But see ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you".... They should seek God about blessings flowing in their personal life. I don't think you should call people "out from the crowd" either. If the Holy Spirit doesn't call them out to give, then they should be left alone. "I understand better than most the need of money to keep the Church a float too"!!!! LOL LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-10 11:49:47
Also, the men and women of God that labor in prayer and earnestly seek to be "good shepherds" to the people, make sacrifices in their families and own lives for the people of God....They study ever day so they may have a "fresh" word for the people of God....They deserve wealth....Because in order to be effective in full-time ministry, you can't work a natural job....So I think if the "Shepherds" sow to the sheep "spiritual things", then why can't the sheep sow "natural things" (money) in their lives???? .......these are my thoughts
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2005-11-10 12:01:35
Mr. LA Thank you for the Terry Mc Millan info it was 'The' talk at work this morning and the Radio Talk shows all discussed it this mornings
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2005-11-10 12:10:26
why don't we complaint about the prices of gas???? or the amount of our cell phone bills, or even property taxes????? NO, we just pay for these happily, and nothing is ever said!!!!
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2005-11-10 12:56:48
DWCOM -An offering is one thing and Pimping is another.If I love you I might spend $50.000 or more on a braclet or piece of Jewelry for you because I want to. I buy gas because I have too. I agree that it'something wrong with a congregation where do one is being Blesed but the Pastor.
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wisdom
2005-11-10 13:13:06
To DWCOM: I understand what you are saying about "Something is wrong when you have a picture of the pastor driving various cars like bentley's, mercedes, cadillacs, etc. and your members are taking the bus to church." However, do you feel the same when Usher, Nellie and 50 cent, Beyonce, and Ludacris are driving various cars like bentley's, mercedes, cadillacs, etc. and poor people are taking the bus to go see them in concert!!!!! LOL Its all about choices!!!! LOL
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ministers wife
2005-11-10 13:24:52
DWCOM.Wisdom,Mr.la and others. Yes we live in The day of The 'Superstar' Preacher !!!! and members go oo and ah as to what they drive or what they wear. We like to look nice and I like labels but I don't accept them as gifts from members ,I buy my own .I dont do the big hat's like MR. lA's pastors' wife. One member brought my husband a piece of fur that was over $100,000 thousand dollars it was a Fendi.. she was a widower but certainly not a little old lady. because my husband is wise enough to know that some times when people are lonely , their gifts have nothing to do with their Love for GOD, but trying to buy attention, he asked her nicely to take it back and if she liked she could give the money to the Church. she took it back but the Church never saw a dime. I'm not a jealous wife tho I ove my husband but over the years there have been watches rings sweaters and sometimes he has said I think I want to return this or that ,, not always some people 'Love' their Pastor and some are 'In' Love with their Pastor (without his consent, simply because he may have counseled them warmly } and when you know the difference you know ,what to accept and what to refuse. WHEN YOU ACCEPT YOU HAD BETTER BE WILLING TO GIVE'
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wisdom
2005-11-10 13:27:10
At least the preachers are trying to make the "world a better place", and are changing lives by preaching the gospel....I think its the choices of individuals, because at our church, the whole parking lot is full of Mercedes, Cadillacs, Lexus, a few Bentleys, and they all do not belong to the pastor!!!! If you give according to how God has blessed you, and are living Holy, you can't help but to prosper, the Word of God said so!!!, Its not the pastor's job to make you prosper, but you have to catch hold of the Word and God's promises for yourself, and make wise choices with what God has blessed you with. You already have His favor, if you belong to HIM....Sometimes we just need to ask God to give us wisdom in the area of finances, and teach us how to prosper and increase.....these are my thoughts
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wisdom
2005-11-10 14:09:55
What about Lebron James, Kolbe and Shaq????? do we also have a problem with their money and prosperity too??? I'll bet some people go to the games on the bus!!!LOL LOL Just food for thought.......How are these individuals exempt from our scrutiny???? The get paid a lot more than pastors and preachers, and they don't seem to as much??? LOL
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2005-11-10 14:24:03
I heard that Bishop Jones gives a big party every year around Christmas at a fancy hotel for his members ,do you think he will escort his fiancee this year ?
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2005-11-10 14:25:12
The problem with the prosperity message is the congregants, not the preachers. Many people are materialistic and are drawn to this message. They are predisposed..these ministers are justing taking advantge of a mind set that aleady exists.
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wisdom
2005-11-10 14:27:29
to Mr. LA, shouldn't God pay more than the "MAN" (as you put it).......Last I checked, HE had unlimited resources, so HIS wages are quite higher!!!!! LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-10 14:42:19
to DWCOM: based on some of the statements you say some pastors have made.....I wouldn't visit their church, let alone be a member!!!!! First fruits???? what is that all about??? You know as people of God, we really have to discern spirits, even the pastors and leaders....and, there is nothing wrong with going in our "prayer closets" and asking God to reveal things to us, when we don't feel right???? And we should study for ourselves, not take someone elses word for anything.....I will admit there may be some poor people that are being taken advantage of in ministries, and the leaders will be held accountable. But people make choices to give, I don't know of any Bishops or Pastors that have taken anything at "gun point".....LOL That's why "personal" relationships with God are so important!!!! You and God can decide, before you leave home, what to give, and if the Spirit leads you to give more after your arrival then so be it....But I think a lot of people give out of emotions and not from a sound, stable mind!!!!
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2005-11-10 14:46:43
Jesus Christ shows us the way.
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2005-11-10 15:03:37
Did Christ die so I can drive a Bently?
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DWCOM
2005-11-10 15:05:31
Wisdom, I didn't say the preacher should be poor. You don't have to use your congregants to make you rich. They receive a salary, investments in stocks and bonds, write, books and sell tapes. Why do they need to come up with gimmicks to use their congregations to get it? Do it the right way so that the people in the Body of Christ can respect the way you did it.
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2005-11-10 15:05:54
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. II Timothy 3:1-7
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wisdom
2005-11-10 15:18:21
to DWCOM: I understand, and shame on those that "mislead" people to give. but even the bible tells us not to "give out of necessity" II Corinthians 9:7....So if some preachers are not preaching God's word and are running some type of a scam, then WOE unto them.....Giving all your money and being evicted is not "wise stewardship"......So what do you think the leaders should do???? MY only suggestion comes from the word "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:" I think the only answer is for people to get know God and study for themselves, because there are a lot of "gimmicks" out there...But if you don't know the truth, how will you know you are being "played"???? "STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELVES APPROVE"!!!! I think the real answer is study, because there are so many doctrines out there now....and if you don't really know God, you will be deceived!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-10 15:27:16
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. Matthew 24:23-25 We must study and seek God for ourselves, The Holy Spirit promised to "lead and guides us into all truth"....but we have to be led!!!! We just can't wait and expect to be "spoon fed"!!!! We have to pick up our own bibles and read, study and pray for clarity!!!! You know they way the FBI finds counterfiet money is by studying real money 8 hours a day....So when they spot some fake money, they can identify it right off.....That's how we need to do God's Word.....Study it so much until we know when something is fake and not GOD!!!!
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STEPHANIE
2005-11-10 15:27:37
Hello, DMCOM, the new and improved MR. LA, and all the other posters of wisdom. But for that one with the mouth on her and or him, they need the OLD SCHOOL cure, WASH THE MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP, AGAIN AND AGAIN. And if you are indeed a WOMAN, because ladies do not talk like that you need to get a handle on that mouth. It not cute!!!!! That type of attritude will only place you with the bride or groom of frankenstein, that's NOT a child of God. Repent and change the mouth I did, and so many other's. Blessings to you all keep up the wisdom. See ya,
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MINISTER WIFE
2005-11-10 15:31:58
DWCOM -The world is hungry for the living Bread. I think someone should have a minister's conference where believers explain this to Preachers , First fruit ???? I don't know what that means , The Church is a Hospital and people are there with all types of pains and ailments , they come in because they are broken and when I hear stories like MR. la 's friend it makes me angry . SOME don't even understand their ' secret closet ' they think clothes closets and they go in there to read. Somebody need to sit some of these men of God down and tell them the Gospel Truth,There is little Respect for the Man of God anymore because they would rather be a buddy than a pastor I guess they think it's hipper
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DWCOM
2005-11-10 15:37:56
Wisdom, The answer to your question of what should the preacher do??? In the words of Spike Lee...Do the right thang. LOL!! II Timothy 2:15, you're right. But how does a new born babe know how to study unless a mature christian shows him??? Most people in the church only know the way their pastor shows them how to study the bible, so they are thinking just like their pastor which is what most pastors want. BRAINWASHED!! LOL! LOL! Most won't listen to any other preachers unless their pastor tells them which ones to listen to. I know people who won't date or marry anyone outside of their church, which is crazy!!!! There was a young lady who was seeing a young man and he was interested in marrying her; however, she said that if he doesn't join her church that she can't marry him. I asked her is this all that you think God has for you at this church? What if God has something far greater for you than what's at this church? All she could said is that she couldn't marry him unless he joined her church. It takes a lot to get up and go against the grain to search the bookstore for yourself and study for yourself. Most people won't do it and become victims!!!!! I dont' blame the preachers for the people who've been saved for a while, but the new converts is another story!
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wisdom
2005-11-10 15:39:14
And I know some preachers use scripture to "work their game"....but once we begin to study the word ourselves, we also begin to learn God's Spirit through His Word. consequently, we WILL know when someone comes before us with the wrong spirit, concepts and emphasis....including leaders!!! Any leader that exalts money more than the risen Christ is not of God!!!! We perish because of the lack of knowledge!!!! most people are deceived "willingly", we do have choices......these are my thoughts
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wisdom
2005-11-10 15:45:54
DWCOM, I usually have a lot to say, but I am at a loss for words, (imagine that), anyway all I can say is shame on the so-called Men of God that would knowingly deceive their sheep!!!! I wouldn't want that judgement and blood on my hands!!!!!! We all are going to be rewarded for the deeds done in this body, the preacher too!!! So they gotta answer to God!!!
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Mr.LA
2005-11-10 15:47:36
Hello MS, Stephanie you must have a man cause you don't have time for us ,, well the best to ya !!! as interesting as this is I have to get ready for work 11-7 today. Love many Hate few ,learn to paddle your own canoe !!!!! LOL "I' so crazy
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Mr.LA
2005-11-10 15:48:20
Hello MS, Stephanie you must have a man cause you don't have time for us ,, well the best to ya !!! as interesting as this is I have to get ready for work 3- 11today. Love many Hate few ,learn to paddle your own canoe !!!!! LOL "I' so crazy
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DWCOM
2005-11-10 16:07:47
Hey Stephanie, Wisdom and Minister's Wife: As you can tell the prosperity message hits a nerve. Seen to many people abused, been abused by it. I'm praying for God to work on my heart where this issue is concerned so that I may address it correctly when it comes up. Right now for the most part, I just listen and then say that I have to go. These are preachers on TV. Now, TBN isn't what it used to be. I thank God for TBN and some people wouldn't have gotten saved if it wasn't for TBN, but everybody on TBN isn't preaching the gospel! All I'm going to say about the TBN Praise-A-Ton is.....Wow! We use scriptures to get people to send in money like we're playing the lottery. We've got to get back to basics...basic teachings.
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wisdom
2005-11-10 16:49:51
DWCOM, I understand your frustration....You know there are some pastors that are older, wiser and more seasoned. They don't preach prosperity every Sunday!!!! they still preach Holiness, fasting, praying, seeking the face of God. They teach how to walk with God and navigate thru lifes trials....But, I know we never see them on TBN, only one or two anyway.
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2005-11-10 16:50:21
Changing the subject: What do you all think about the gift of speaking in tongues?
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wisdom
2005-11-10 16:59:52
+++++++,what about tongues????? that's a broad subject...LOL LOL... more details????
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2005-11-10 17:12:57
Educate me. I don't understand it.
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2005-11-10 17:25:48
++++++,What do you not understand???? are you being sarcastic???? Why do people speak with unknown tongues????, What does it mean when people speak with tongues???? or what????
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2005-11-10 17:34:03
theres a lady at my Church who speaks in tongues and we sked her what she was saying,she said whenshe's under the influene of the Hoy ghost she don't remember, I think it's a joke why would God give you something to say and then you don't remember
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wisdom
2005-11-10 17:35:04
++++++, On the day of Pentecost, Acts, Chapter 2, the disciples began to speak with tongues after being filled with the Holy Ghost/Spirit....in Acts, Chapter 1, Jesus told them wait at Jerusalem until they received "Power from on High". They needed this power in order to be witnesses in the earth, just as we need the power of the Holy Ghost today in order to be effective witnesses.....I hope this helps.....depending on what denomination you are in, they (I believe it too, based on scripture)believe that when the power of Holy Ghost comes upon you, you speak in tongues!!! Its another gift, just like discernment....It is a gift to the Body of Christ and not to unbelievers............these are my thoughts
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wisdom
2005-11-10 17:38:37
??????///God does a lot of things we don't understand, Some people say stuff in English and I don't understand them and know what they said!!! LOL
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Minister wife
2005-11-10 17:42:43
I don't this gift DWCOM but I have heard people speak in tongues and then what is the message ? anyone can rattle off a group of words , I need an Interperter or I 'm just hearing strange noises, But some peole do not believe in the Gift of Prophecy .
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wisdom
2005-11-10 17:45:19
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) John 7:39
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wisdom
2005-11-10 17:49:02
?????//,For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. I Corinthians 14:2.....This maybe why no one understood her????? LOL
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2005-11-10 17:52:36
People IN Church say things in tongues and everybody start saying My lord. My lord .what?
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2005-11-10 17:57:58
Should every Christian speak in tongues?
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wisdom
2005-11-10 17:59:27
????/ I Corinthians 14:2 said that it is a conversation between that person and GOD, so there is no need for anybody else to understand what they are saying, but GOD.....LOL read the book!!! LOL
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Minister\'s wife
2005-11-10 18:00:26
Do you believe here in the 21st century that there arethose who can prophesy the future ?
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2005-11-10 18:12:27
So you can be a Christian without speaking in tongues but you won't have the Holy Ghost?
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2005-11-10 18:16:11
To Minister's wife, I do believe there are those today with the gift of prophesy, but most claiming to be prophets today are not. Why didn't Juanita Bynum warn us about Katrina? I saw her on TBN talking about God calling her to Africa to explore the "African" God...hmmm...the gulf coast could have used her supposed prophetic skills!
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wisdom
2005-11-10 18:17:13
I'm just sharing what the bible says in the Acts of the Apostles.....
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wisdom
2005-11-10 18:20:44
++++++, Just like in the old testament, God does not show His new testament people everything.....If He did I would be a multi-millionaire!!!! LOL Why didn't He show me how to be "Bill Gates"LOL LOL
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2005-11-10 18:28:42
Juanita is a false prophet
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DWCOM
2005-11-10 21:07:40
Tongues, Here we go with this subject. You know there used to be a time where it was preached if you didn't speak in tongues you were not filled with the Holy Ghost or you didn't have the Holy Ghost. The scripture used for this was the scripture speaking about these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall the cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues Mark 16:17. It is said that based on this scripture that you must have evidence and if you don't have the evidence you don't have the Holy Ghost. It is said that these signs should follow every believer. Not so, how many people do you see picking up serpents??? When you are born again the Holy Spirit takes up residence in you. You can not be saved and the Holy Spirit doesn't reside in you. What happened on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:) was there were men of out of every nation who heard the Gospel preached in their own language by the disciples who were unlearned. The tongues in this instance were unknown to the disciples because they weren't taught the language (read Acts 2). Now when we go to I Corinthians 14:2-4, Paul is speaking about praying in an unknown tongue and that you are praying / speaking to God. This is your prayer language. Have you ever prayed in english and run out of words to say? Well, if you have a prayer language (speaking in tongues) you are speaking to God. Romans 8:26 speaks about groanings. In i Cor. it goes on to say therefore, when you are praying in the spirit you don't need an intrepreter because you are praying to God. Paul told them to follow after love and if they spoke in tongues to pray for understanding. Tongues are a sign for unbelievers and not the believer. Paul also gives instruction that when the whole church comes together in one place and are speaking in tongues the unbeliever will think that they are crazy (I Cor. 14: 23) and he instructs them not to do this. However, further down what was going on in the Corinthian church was that there wasn't any order and folk were speaking in tongues, singing, giving prophecy at the same time and saying that one gift was better than the other. Paul says in ICor 14:27 if any man speak in an unknown tongue let it be by two, or at the most by three by course; and let one interpret, but if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence int he church; and let him speak to himself and to God. To me this is saying that the Holy ghost will let you know if there is an interpreter present in advance before you speak in tongues to the congregation. I really have issues when the same person who gives a messages in tongues interprets it himself. I was at a service many years ago and Walter Hawkins was moderating over the meeting and Daryl Coley was the guest speaker. Dueing the service there was a minister who stood up twice giving a word in tongues. The first time no one interpret the tongues the next time he interpret his own tongues. Folk just went on with the service.
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DWCOM
2005-11-10 21:13:55
I don't know if it's right to say that Juanita Bynum is a false prophet because she didn't give a prophesy on Hurricane Katrina. The saints have said for years that Kim Clements was a false prophet and he did give a prophesy about New Orleans back in July of 2005 which came true.
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DWCOM
2005-11-10 21:20:35
++++++++++, What is your stand or view on speaking in tongues. Why do you feel the Juanita Bynum is a false prophet? Other than the Hurricane Katrina issue?
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2005-11-10 21:32:40
What is spiritually developed, manifested and discerned is often misunderstood, and speaking in tongues and prophecy are two subjects that people tend to strongly disagree on. I heard one preacher state, "Some gifts need to be put on hold while people work on their characters." And another stated, "Do not allow a gift to take you where your character will not stand." This could lead to yet another subject and that is carnality. Some believe there are different categories of Christians, hence the "carnal Christian" teaching. But my belief is that Christians can be carnal minded in different areas of their lives, as well as different phases of their Christian journey. Any thoughts?
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2005-11-10 21:52:55
DWCOM the next time she is on tbn just watch her she exposes hersef.Juanita Bynum doesn't act saved or Holy
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2005-11-10 22:01:49
My take on prophetess Bynum is her spirit is not that of a Christian she just does not act nice and she's so into herself and she disrespects her husband she talks to him lie he's an animal
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2005-11-10 22:08:38
Let's not get caught up with who did or did not speak prophesy concerning Hurricane Katrina. Why? Because it is the aftermath that is the concern of the survivors. Also, this should be a wake-up call for Christians throughout the world. And since Hurricane Katrina affected a population largely comprised of African-Americans, and many impoverished, FEMA can be blamed for many acts of negligence and incompetence. BUT if we think on the combined wealth of African-Americans in and outside the Body of Christ today, is there any real lack of resources?
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2005-11-10 22:08:53
If KNOWING GOD MAKES YOU ACT LIKE JUANITA BYNUM,I DONT WANT TO KNOW GOD ! MY QUESTION IS ARE THER GENERATIONAL CURSES, AND IF THERE ARE , HOW CAN THEY BE BROKEN. SOMETHING UNNATURAL IS WORKING IN MY LIFE. AND I'VE TRIED PRAYER.
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2005-11-10 22:34:20
DWCOM: Thanks for the instruction on tongues. You answered many of my questions. I did not say Juanita Bynum was a false prophet. Someone else posted that. However, I would ask where is the evidence she is a true prophet?
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2005-11-10 22:56:32
While I understand your concern for generational curses, be careful not to speak negatively of the servants of God. i e Prophetess Juanita Bynum Weeks. Remember Miriam the prophetess, who was the sister of the great old testament prophet Moses. She spoke against her own brother and God judged her immediately. Moses prayed for her and God healed her. You are judged by your words. Set a watch over your mouth lest you be judged accordingly.
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2005-11-10 23:09:31
Yes, words have the power to cause blessings or curses in our own lives, as well as the lives of others. Speaking of Moses, the Bible has a lot to say about blessings and curses. In fact, Deuteronomy 28 is very detailed on this subject, and these verses reveal the primary cause of each. Read it for yourself, apply the principles in daily life and be blessed.
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2005-11-10 23:10:25
What is the proof Juanita Bynum is a prophet? Can I be a prophet if I want to be?
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2005-11-10 23:23:10
What proof do you have that she is not? Secondly, God calls His servants the Prophets. You can not call yourself. Be prepared to pay the price for this call!!! You know not what you ask for.
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2005-11-10 23:59:07
Is Juanita Bynum a prophet?
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2005-11-11 00:00:38
How do you know Juanita Bynum is a Prophet?
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2005-11-11 00:29:30
I know these two individual are prophets because my spirit bears witness to it. It has been revealed to me by Holy Spirit himself. That is the only explanation I have to offer you. It is called divine revelation.
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2005-11-11 01:12:14
ok
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2005-11-11 01:29:33
The next time you have an opportunity to hear the Prophetess speak, just ask the Lord to let you see HIM. Sometimes it is difficult, I KNOW to see beyond the flesh. Sometimes it's so much on display that we can't see HIM. We must at all times be humble in spirit. When persons reach a certain status or celebrity it is even more difficult to crucify the flesh. We must die so Christ can live His life through us.
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2005-11-11 01:43:07
The gift of tongues is just that, a GIFT. A spiritual gift given to the believer. Remember that the gifts of God come without repentence. I personally believe we are all born with spiritual gifts, but we don't know we are gifted because we are separated from the Lord until such time he becomes our saviour. In other words,you can be ignorant of the giftings you possess. Your spiritual gifts are to be used to glorify God. There are a lot of gifted individuals who are profiting from the gifts, but they do not give HIM the glory. We are not to seek tongues, but we are to seek Him. He is the giver of the gifts. To God be the glory.
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wisdom
2005-11-11 02:19:20
You know, In the Body of Christ, sometimes we are quick to say what does or does not happen...... or something isn't real, because we haven't had the experience????.....That is the equivalent to a poor man saying, "Aint nobody rich and aint no money",......... because he doesn't have any!!!! LOL just because you may not have something, doesn't mean its not in the world or doesn't happen, you just haven't been blessed yet!!!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 03:02:38
This has gotten real interesting here....... Carnality and/or walking in the flesh. Romans 8 speaks on this and I do it quite a bit if I don't catch myself. The bottom line is that when you are carnal minded (minding things of the flesh) you can not please God! As far as Hurricane Katrina, the issue should be the Body of Christ not Africian-Americans combined resources. Just about every church you go to has a Hurricane Katrina fund to help the victims. How much do you really think is going to the victims? I know of a pastor who took up an offering to for the victims and was to represent at his church at the Baptist convention. Well, he decided to keep over half of the offering. Since he didn't know if some members were present at the convention, he came back to told his church and told them how much he kept. Of course the church was outraged and after service he had a mess. My purpose for saying this is that if one pastor who's membership is under 500 people decided to do this, how many other pastors (that see $$$ signs) are keeping some of the profits. Another way of making money. Watch where you place your dollars. Generational curses, I'll really have to search the Word on that one. I know the bible speaks of the sins of the father visiting the third and fourth generation of them that hate me (Exdous 20:5-6) and show mercy on thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. This is referring to the penalty of breaking the law (10 commandments). Galatians 3 speaks about no man being justified by the law in God's eye for the JUST shall LIVE by FAITH. Ver 13 talks about Christ redeeming us from the curse of the law and he was made a curse for us so the blessing of Abraham may come on the us through JESUS Christ so that we may receive the promise of the spriit through FAITH. What this says to me is when I accepted the Lord Jesus into my heart to become my savior and lord over my life that I was redeemed from any curses operating over my life. As I look over my own life, there have been things that my family have been operating in for years. When I moved away over 1,000 miles from them, I began to notices differences between me and my brothers and sisters several years. The first being my credit. Because I had been away for a while and had experience living on my own in a place where I didn't know anyone, I didn't have anyone that I knew intimately enough that I could ask to help me out. I experienced the consequences of having bad credit which helped me get authority over that area. I said that to say this, sometimes you have to get away from familiar surroundings, experience the consequences of the act(s) in order to take authority over it (curse). Someone mentioned Deuteronomy 28, it's an excellent place to begin. The bible does speak about blessing cursing out of the same mouth. This is an area we all could use the help of the Holy Spirit in. As far as Juanita Bynum, I'm not able to receive from her, so I don't watch her like I used too. To be very honest with you, when I do watch her it's to see if her husband is with her and how they interact. If Juanita doesn't minister to you, there are others to watch who may minister to your spirit.
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2005-11-11 03:21:10
DWCOM, thanks for sharing.
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wisdom
2005-11-11 07:36:29
DWCOM, yes you can be saved and the HOLY SPIRIT, resides in you, but the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SEPARATE!!!!!.....when you get saved, you have the HOLY SPIRIT, but when you are BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit has YOU!!!!!......you receive the fullness and power!!!!! Thats why, the Apostle Paul said, "SINCE" ye believed!!!! Peter and the disciples believed on Jesus before the day of Pentecost, but he told them to wait for the Promise from the Father........
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wisdom
2005-11-11 07:46:39
The Holy Spirit is at work in our lives even before we go to the altar to be saved, because WHO do you think prompted us to accept Christ??????......But, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is separate from regeneration........I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Matthew 3:11.........Jesus told the disciples in Acts Chapter 1:8, that they would receive power, AFTER the Holy Ghost came upon them.....Now, we know the disciples "ALREADY" believed on Jesus.....but, they didn't receive power until the day of Pentecost.......
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wisdom
2005-11-11 07:54:54
HAVE YE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST SINCE ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any HOLY GHOST. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with TONGUES, and prophesied. " the Apostle Paul said SINCE ye believed? ..........So they believed already, ........but He asked them had they received the Holy Ghost, "SINCE" they believed???? The phrase "since you believed", implies that you can believe......however have you received the power SINCE ye have believed!!!...I hope I am being clear on this point????
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wisdom
2005-11-11 08:02:38
DWCOM, lets not get "regeneration" (accepting Christ as Savior), and the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost" (receiving the POWER that Jesus promised in Acts 1) confused.....they are obviously two separate events........He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him SHOULD RECEIVE: for the Holy Ghost was not YET given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) John 7:39
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wisdom
2005-11-11 08:09:55
DWCOM, just like "water" baptism should follow AFTER we believe, so does the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.....I don't think any of us got saved and baptized in water at the same time???......So it is with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost......we received Christ and were regenerated, but Jesus, Peter and the Apostle Paul, referenced "receiving the POWER of the Holy Ghost" as something that would follow "AFTER" we believed..............
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Wisdom
2005-11-11 08:41:42
Please carefully read my last post again. I believe that I mentioned there is a difference. Read it again. It sounds like I didn't say it the way you wanted to hear it, but it's all good now! (I'd rather discuss this than the Bishop's personal life LOL!)Exactly, what is it that you think I'm saying? You've given me scripture here and there; however I would need to go back and read more than just the verses you've given. I need to read some of the chapters (in some cases the book) to see what was going on during this time. (In one of my post I mentioned expository teaching.) Just so I understand what you are saying here's my example: Billy Graham and Charles Stanley are powerful men of God that God is using mightly in the Kingdom and neither speak in tongues. Are you telling me that because they don't speak in tongues and the way that you interpret scripture that they don't have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost? Careful now!
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 08:42:58
Wisdom, Please carefully read my last post again. I believe that I mentioned there is a difference. Read it again. It sounds like I didn't say it the way you wanted to hear it, but it's all good now! (I'd rather discuss this than the Bishop's personal life LOL!)Exactly, what is it that you think I'm saying? You've given me scripture here and there; however I would need to go back and read more than just the verses you've given. I need to read some of the chapters (in some cases the book) to see what was going on during this time. (In one of my post I mentioned expository teaching.) Just so I understand what you are saying here's my example: Billy Graham and Charles Stanley are powerful men of God that God is using mightly in the Kingdom and neither speak in tongues. Are you telling me that because they don't speak in tongues and the way that you interpret scripture that they don't have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost? Careful now!
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wisdom
2005-11-11 08:45:33
The Holy Ghost is a free "gift" to the Body of Christ......If you believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and your life is "clean and holy" (not PRACTICING sin).......Just ask God for it (HIM),.... began to praise and Magnify God, lose yourself in the praise, "give up to HIM", forget about everything else around you, and focus on HIM!!!!!..... after you have done this for a while, He will come in and change your language, and you will speak in tongues!!!!!......like I said, I was a skeptic too!!!!.....you know I wanted to be "sophisticated, educated and intelligent".....I just wanted to "praise God softly", "with dignity"...... LOL LOL.......But I needed that "Power" that I had heard about, to be an effective witness and victorious in my walk",....... and the "old saints, Bishops and Elders" had told me that if I received the "Holy Ghost", I would have "extra power", ......that he would "lead and guide me, and show me things to come"......John 16:13.....and He would be a "Comforter", and teach me "all things"....John 14:26......So I asked God for the Holy Ghost,...... one Sunday at the altar I began to praise and magnify God and He gave me that "PRECIOUS GIFT"......when HE got through with me, they had to help me up off the floor!!!!! LOL LOL Bless His Name!!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-11 08:53:42
DWCOM, I know I have been "long winded" this morning....LOL but I also want to add "according to YOUR faith, be it unto you).....Peter was an effective preach too, and didn't have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost until after Pentecost, so was John the Baptist......so what's the point???? According to your faith......its just like that poor man saying "there is no money", because he doesn't have any.........LOL But, we all know there rich people.......... We receive a lot of things from God, and it is given "according" to OUR faith right???? If you can believe, you can recieve..........
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 08:57:37
Run, I can't remember what minister said this or where I heard it from, but it goes like this "When Loving You Is Hurting Me". I heard someone else say "Sometimes we try to play God in other people lives by intervening and helping them, but actually we are hurting them". If I had my family here or close intimate friends at the time I moved here, I would have never learned to budget my finances and keep a good credit rating. As far as work, maybe you're not where God wants you to be. Are you happy with the kind of work you do? Would you do the job if you weren't being paid to do it? Is it something that you love to do? Is it fulfilling? If it isn't maybe REJECTION IS DIRECTION (that came from Bishop Noel Jones). I know that I just don't fit in some places and I've reached the age where I don't try to anymore. Sincerely, love your family all it takes is for one to make a change. Do them a favor and let God help them instead of you. Be blessed by brother. You're not unlucky, you are special and God is protecting you! Continue to thank and praise God for his protection in your life!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-11 08:59:17
DWCOM, the old testament prophets, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Samuel........didn't have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost either (the promised had not come in their day), ......and they were "very effective"......So, I guess its kinda like the gifts of prosperity, healing and deliverance......You can go through your Christian life without it, but is sure does make life better with it!!!!! LOL LOL Its a gift!!!! Its available and if you want it, Its Yours!!!!! Some people don't receive "salvation", but it does exist right???????
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 09:04:10
Wisdom, the point that I'm making is that Billy Graham and Charles Stanley are powerful men of God that God is using mightly in the Kingdom and neither speak in tongues and what I am hearing you say is that because neither speak in tongues neither have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost? According to the way you interpret the scripture. Is this correct?
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wisdom
2005-11-11 09:24:47
RUN, I agree with what DWCOM, told you.......I can identify with you in the aspect of having to be there for your family.....sometimes God uses us as vessels to be a blessing to others......He can't trust everyone with "financial wealth" so He obviously gives to some, so WE can be a blessing to others......RUN, we all go through different challenges in life, its a part of God molding us, in to the men/women, He would have us to become.....The day we accepted Jesus as our Savior, we began to be "conformed" into His image......some times (most times), the "conformation" process involves, hurts, disappointments, rejection, loss.........But, you know what I have learned about God, the things He allows is working for our GOOD,..... no matter how distasteful, they may seem to be.......Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning....Psalm 30:5......If you are saved, you have been washed in the Blood of Jesus, and all curses on your life have been cancelled....Some time we want to put a "time frame" on God, when we are waiting to be blessed.....and sometimes we are "already abundantly blessed", just not the way "we think"......God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.....as we continue to diligently seek Him, we are rewarded. As I think about all the prophets, apostles and people in God's Word, none of them had perfect lives.....they all "went through".....and so will we....... I think that is the key sometime, "go thru", don't get stuck in the trials......My only advice, is to continue seeking God and talking to Him about your situation, The righteous cry and He said He DOES hear......Be encouraged
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wisdom
2005-11-11 09:30:33
DWCOM, yes I am saying that when you receive the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost", you will speak in tongues!!!!! How do we know these men don't speak with tongues???? I don't get on TV and speak in tongues either!!! LOL LOL ......and like I said, the Old Testament prophets were very much effective, but they didn't have the promise, because it was not given.....So you can be effective without HIM (The Holy Ghost), you can be effective without legs too, but you get more done with them!!!!! LOL LOL Jesus was the one that said "Ye Shall Receive Power After"!!!!! not wisdom!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-11 09:34:33
and DWCOM, as far as being an effective speaker, Louis Farrakhan is EFFECTIVE, but He doesn't know Jesus!!!! and we most definetly know he doesn't have the Holy Ghost!!!!......I was real effective before I received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost too.....But, I didn't have any "Power"!!!!.....it happens every day!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-11 09:48:48
Mr. LA, that is wonderful news!!!! See she waited on him and gave him his space, and look how God has blessed!!!
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MR.LA
2005-11-11 10:03:03
DWCOM ,Don't crop my head off ,but you are very smart and knowledgeable, and I can tell you have a good Heart , could it be you scare men away ?????..I come from a slew of Women and have a host of girlfriends , not to mention that I'm real in touch with my feminine side, some times we need to just smile or laugh to get a point across ,, words can be decieving and confusing ,..lol a little girlfriend .. Imean I've heard of some of your pains ... Love you !!! Sometimes knowing is Growing!
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 10:06:17
Wisdom, I know Billy Graham and Charles Stanley both don't speak in tongues because they have said it publicly and in their books on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Read them, I'll be interested in your take on them. These men aren't just effective speakers, they are ANOINTED speakers with signs following them minus the tongues. Over Billy Graham's lifetime look at how many people accepted Christ into their lives through the ministry God called him to and the same with Charles Stanley. TD Jakes isn't even on the same level as Billy Graham and TD Jakes does have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (according to your definition..speaking in tongues). Louis Farrakhan can't even begin to be compared to these men. Wisdom, that wasn't a good example. It's not what God has said that I have questions on but your interpretation of the scripture that I am questioning. Mr. LA, you are correct there are folk who mimic tongues and it's unfortunate that people would have to do this to fit in. All I can say is the difference in my life in the area of praying in the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues) is when I don't know what to pray for and when something is wrong and I feel an unction, I pray until I get a release. I submit to you that both Billy Graham and Charles Stanley have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. There too much POWER that lies within them and the ministries that God has called them to and you don't have that kind of POWER in your ministry without the Holy Ghost or the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
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wisdom
2005-11-11 10:21:11
DWCOM, I love Dr. Stanley, infact, I get the Intouch magazine and listen to his broadcast "every morning"......He has been a great part of my Christian life and continues to impact me for the better...... He is full of wisdom and provides, sound, sober and Godly interpretation......However, I believe what the Acts of the Apostles revealS......Why do you think in the Acts of the Apostles, when people received the Holy Ghost they spoke with tongues?????? But, people can receive Him now, and don't speak with tongues???? The gift of the baptism of the Holy Ghost is just like healing, prosperity and any other gift that God has provided to the body.....According to YOUR faith, be it unto you......You know, some people stay in poverty.....because they don't know that God has provided a way out......please explain the Acts of the Apostles???? and remember the Old Testament prophets were greatly used by God, and John the Baptist ushered in Our Lord, and did have the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost"???? you can be effective without the Baptism, But, you have more POWER with HIM!!!! So you are saying that people only spoke in tongues when they received the HOLY GHOST in the Bible????
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 10:22:04
Mr. LA, LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! I have seven brothers and they all have told me that I am too strong for the average brother and it's going to take a real strong brother to handle me. LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! Mr. LA, I am who I am. This how God made me and the man that God has for me will know how work it. LOL! LOL! Lots of love to you!!!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 10:33:15
Wisdom, 1. I just asked if you read Charles Stanley's book on the Baptism of the Holy Spirt. I didn't say you didn't know him. 2. We are the book of Acts. We are the New Testament believers. 3. You do not need to speak in tongues to have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. 4. We have a difference of opinion that we can go on and on about. Let's just agree to disagree. Love Ya!
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wisdom
2005-11-11 10:35:57
DWCOM, so you are saying that because Jakes hasn't impacted as many lives as Billy Graham, then Graham has more power????? Because I know some lil old mothers baptized with the Holy Ghost and power, and they have never held national crusades!!!!! LOL
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 10:39:32
Wisdom, Let's just agree to disagree. Okay? LOL! Love Ya!
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wisdom
2005-11-11 10:41:31
DWCOM, Okay, we will agree to disagree.....and I guess I misunderstood you, no I haven't read that particular book by Dr. Stanley.......... and I know we are the new testament church, but the New Testament, including the book of Acts, was left on record for our example!!!! Maybe there have been some updated books of the Bible written that I am not aware of!!!! LOL LOL LOL
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2005-11-11 12:25:48
To the young man that refers to himself as “RUN”. Please stop running and believe God is more than able. Although you did not go into details, correct me if I am wrong, it sounds as though you are saying you grew up in an area and family that participated in various forms of the occult. Know that luck has nothing to do with faith in God, and every form of supernatural knowledge that does not proceed from God is of satan. You are free from all of this today, just renounce the past and receive your deliverance by faith today. You are covered under God’s protection from any further exposure to those demonic practices that work through manipulation, intimidation and domination. Continue to love your family but do not accept darkness over God’s light. Regardless of your background you are not heir to a curse and God’s power and grace says so. 2 Timothy says, “And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” You will overcome satanic forces by using spiritual weapons, including the Word of God and prayer. Christ’s promises in the New Covenant are given “to him who overcomes”. Revelation 21:7 states, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.” I will keep you in my prayers, and I want you to be blessed.
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2005-11-11 12:38:26
Yes, "we must be faithful in lovingly sharing the truth." That young man is crying out for help in a very serious matter that is often swept under the rug.
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2005-11-11 13:00:29
What is the serious matter that is often swept under the rug?????
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2005-11-11 13:35:51
Occult practice, and the potential damage it can breed in the lives of individuals and families. It's serious and spiritual warfare is necessary. God fights and wins!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 13:43:39
So how can we help the brother????
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2005-11-11 13:56:21
Intercessory prayer
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wisdom
2005-11-11 14:00:04
++++++, yeah you're right
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2005-11-11 14:43:35
Prayer is an essential element in our protection against the Devil. If we are prayerless—that is, if we fail to seek God's guidance and neglect to put on His armor by faith every day—then we will be defeated. Our understanding and vision apart from the Lord are too limited and the Enemy is too powerful for us to stand alone. However, Romans 8:37 tells us that with God, we will be more than conquerors. He will make us ready if we draw close to Him through prayer, listen to His instructions, and follow through with obedience. The Enemy despises prayers offered through faith in Jesus Christ because he has no defense against them. Persevering prayer strengthens us. It also crushes Satan's might, and sends him running. (James 4:7) Drop to your knees and watch what happens. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-11 14:51:13
Whenever situations in our lives become so burdensome that we can’t go on alone, where do we go? The world waves many temptations in our faces, hoping we would select them over the only place we need to go: the throne of God. - INTOUCH
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 15:27:43
Can we intercede for our brother together in his situation in a half hour????? Is anyone willing to do this with me???
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2005-11-11 15:37:56
Yes, let us intercede on his behalf together.
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wisdom
2005-11-11 15:40:34
I will
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2005-11-11 15:53:43
Lets pray that God, destory every yoke, bind every hinder, cast out every demonic force that comes against our brother.....loose every shackle, bring complete deliverance in his life and mind..... and Let NO weapon formed against him prosper!!!!! IN JESUS NAME!!!!! and anything else each individual may want to add.....
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DWCOM
2005-11-11 16:19:24
and that our brother walks in the favor of God and the comfort of the Holy Ghost! We pray that you strengthen him where he is weak. Although he can see it Lord help his words to always line up with your Word. Lord, your Word delcares that Love never fails and we know that the love this brother's family experiences from him will lead his family in a closer relationship with you and with each other. We thank you Lord that it is already done and we give you all the Glory and the Praise. In the name of JESUS! Amen!!!
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+++++++
2005-11-11 16:40:54
Amen. Bless you brother.
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RUN
2005-11-11 16:49:45
Much Thanks to Everyone
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2005-11-11 16:51:50
And he shall live and not die and declare the works of the Lord. Thank You Father for hearing and answering our humble cry and supplications. We love You Father and we accept Your will. Thank You!!
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2005-11-11 17:50:06
We will not sit back and watch our brothers and sisters in Christ be devoured. And a special note to the young man and everyone involved in this labor of love today. Do not be deceived by the overt and covert tactics of the enemy. Do not tamper in any area of the occult, not even astrology, horoscopes and zodiacs. God will need to use you all again because many souls are at stake. And I believe a special blessing is on the way for each of you because of your willingness to intercede today.
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2005-11-11 18:08:47
"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world." (1 John 4:4) We worship You Lord in the beauty of holiness... God has not forgot...My prayer is, heal the land...Great is thy mercy toward me...Holy Spirit rain down...
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Mr.la
2005-11-11 18:09:49
WISDOM ;Yes they are having a romanti dinner tonite in the marina on a boat , but she does not know that he is going to propose,but she believes that the night will be positive because she has been still .....God moves in Mysterious ways ,, of course i'm helping her to look cute tonite....I love it when God 's people get together child. DWCOM .. Girl !!!you know you have a lot of brothers..so that explains it.. carry on child,. LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-11 18:14:33
Mr. LA, Praise the Lord!!!!! see she waited and God worked it out for her.......and Mr. LA, while you helping her to "look cute", don't you spoil the suprise!!!!!! You know you talk a lot!!!!!! LOL LOL.... HUSH NOW!!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-11 19:00:39
Wisdom; STOP IT !!!!LOL I know when to hold it and I know when to fold it !!!!! I won't spoit it but I'm so Happy she thought he would never call her again and she was so restless.but she sat still and let God move...
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2005-11-12 06:12:02
The Word of God is true and reliable. As we read about how the Lord related to His people in biblical times, we should look for application to our own lives. All too often, Christians allow themselves to think that divine judgment could never happen today. But what does the scriptural record actually show?.......God wants to heal our land, which is ignoring biblical principles and turning to its own ways. He is the only one who is able to protect our nation. Christians, call upon Him! - INTOUCH
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2005-11-12 08:53:56
MR.LA -BISHOP JONES HAS SAID, THAT GOD DOES NOT PICK YOUR MATE ,THAT HE ONLY PRESENTS CERTAIN PEOPLE TO YOU BUT THE DECISION IS YOURS TO ACCEPT OR REJECT. DO YOU THINK THAT HE IS PUTTING UP BARRIERS FOR WHATEVER REASON ?
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wisdom
2005-11-12 09:42:48
And speaking of ME talking to much, DWCOM, about yesterday, I don't like to debate God's word, and I know sometimes I get a bit adamant in my views and interpretations, but nothing is ever intended to offend......I know how both of us have shared how some discussions on this site have "troubled" our spirits.....So even though we have different views, I still want love, peace and unity on this site, that it may be a source of encouragement to some and enlightenment for others.......Peace My Sister in the Lord!!!!!
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Mr. LA
2005-11-12 10:13:47
Wisdom; No snare man, It's all good !!!! No date set yet and I'm staying out of it . Yes , I dolled her up and made her a little wordly lol she showed atad bit of clevage .. [just a tad] ,caused they aint dead.LOL Yes she was frustrated and thinking she had do something wrong or that he would not call again and he was feeling bad for putting her thru it but now they are talkin openly about thangs . She has a God-look on life !!!! Im Happy too and I know that I will be a part of the wedding party.. I don't know who's side I'll be on LOL child ,those Bridesmaids dresses are too tight these days !!!!LOL and Groomsmen are just to plain for me LOL ...
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2005-11-12 12:08:58
I would like to take a short time in one of the discussions regarding the comment that God does not "PICK" your mate, He simply presents "certain people". Yes, I agree that we can accept or reject God's selection of a helpmeet, but the presentation of certain people or persons and you pick in not biblically based. God created Eve for Adam. When we start talking about presentations, that is carnal. God does NOT bring a slew of persons in one's life and then YOU choose. When YOU choose outside of the WILL of God you LOSE. That is why you have to be careful looking at the outside PACKAGE making YOUR decisions.
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2005-11-12 12:12:01
Mr.La you should give up Nursing and become a Gospel comedian.. LOl glad you're growing, Good wishes to you Friends, It's good to hear Christians are still marrying !!!!!!
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2005-11-12 12:19:55
I have to comment further on this one, bear with me. When you start talking about God presenting "certain people", you mean to tell me that He does not know who is suitable for you? That He is in some way incapable of selecting the proper companion? This is not a hit and miss thing, nor a pageant of some kind. For example, you have a # of sisters in a "certain church" LOL all vying for the same man. This man starts with looking at the women in question and then dates several to finally come to a conclusion that ONE MIGHT be his wife. No way, God does NOT work that way!! He knows what you have need of.
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2005-11-12 12:43:53
To all interested parties, read the account of Esther and Vashti in the scriptures. There were a "slew of women" being prepared for the king, but only ONE was being groomed, prepared, for the "POSITION". Did God "PICK" this person for His divine PURPOSE? Yes, He did!! It was a pageant of sort, but ONE selection met the criteria.
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2005-11-12 12:56:58
In my opinion, any person that is constantly talking about an ex companion and beyond that has had a broken engagement, they are not READY for marriage. You have to leave to cleave. You can't talk about the ex and expect to bring that "BAGGAGE" into a new relationship. First there must be reconciliantion of any past hurts, any necessary apologies. Deal with that, and then move forward. This to me sounds like an individual that doesn't know what they want. People are referring to your being single because you have been SINGLE a long time, like it is a disease. Persons feeling they MUST get married because they are getting older. We are all growing older, but we don't have to be OLD and STUPID!! LOL
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MINISTERS WIFE
2005-11-12 15:09:40
Mr. La Glad to here the good news for your friends,baby just be an Usher at the wedding and wardrobe won't be a problem LOL. Queen's Esther and Vashti,, one that we discuss often at our Church,, Vashti had to refuse the King to make way for ESther yes many were presented ,, but I think things are a little different today... just like men I don't think any woman wants a man that has been thru every woman.. Even tho Esther had favor, she had to get a little 'agressive ' and go to the king for HERSELFat one point .I don't think we have to sit around and do nothing while a Man continues to interview other women. But one thing is certain that is God really knows what we need and when we are presented with it we will know itbut if we choose to fight it,,,But most of God's children who are really seeking mates , don't try and fight it!!!! .. , why would they ????? that would defeat the reasons for Prayer ..As someone said , you think God who made us does not know what we need? God has a way of letting you know that you can't!!! . Women have Purposes too and no doubt connected to her husbands so when God has her ready,the husband will have to realize, Men have to want to commit to one woman and if they aren't ready thaey should ait, which brings up another question.. Why would God who is all knowing send you a woman before you are ready ???? Men some time try to send woman back to God because it's not their type or they don't want to give up their single status... but prepared woman will know what to do and say and God will do the rest .. Some men just need to grow up others are scared,. and some are holding on to the past ..Yesterday is gone and if it;s not , Go back to it and leave women alone who are mature enough to handle relationships,and by all means stop bothering God this is not a game .. kingdom building in relationships is serious business and people with purpose should be with people with purpose not putting up barriers or playing 'CATCH ME IF YOU CAN ' games... some people were meant to be alone and that's o.k.too !!! And it's not the outside package that mateer so much , sure everyone wants some one who looks nice and are clean and intelligent, but I think it's the INSIDE that matters the most,, this is not the Miss America pagent,, we are talking Man and wife ..... Men make me angry so times with what they want instead of what they need.. If this is the case then I guess women with purpose can say ,I'm tired of waiting and go on to someone else. God didn't say it I did One Money won't stop God's show ,.. His Will must be done.. Glory to God !
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2005-11-12 16:34:22
START BRINGING NON-BLACK MEN TO CHURCH...WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE...
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Mr.la
2005-11-12 16:39:49
Ladies ; WHEW !!! I know when y'all start talking about them Blue eyed 'devils it's time for me to say see ya'all tommorrow, that's subject that drives em to drink, But don't a'all think if a man knows that he's not ready it's best that he waits . cause otherwise he hurts the one he's with and that's wrong , I have a slew of sister and I would hate for that to happen to anyone of them.. Any way it' Saturday and I'm going out to dinner and a movie.,with a friend christian dating.LOL..that means I'll be home alone before midnight , Church tomorrow, you know Y'all ought to get a life too o.k ???/ LOL
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2005-11-12 18:16:19
Minister's Wife, Thank you for sharing concerning Esther and Vashti. It was very encouraging and illuminating.
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2005-11-12 18:18:57
How often have you missed God's best simply because you failed to include Him in your decision-making? Bring your pursuits to Him today; His best blessings may be just around the corner. - INTOUCH
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ministers wife
2005-11-12 19:24:56
How can you miss when you have prayed and asked him for a mate. then he answers you one and you decide that you have to make sure. Total insult to God !!!! ,YOU INCLUDED HIM IN THE DECISION MAKING WHEN YOU PRAYED!!!!.Who are We you to Question God, Who are we to have an Inspection of God's property, God does not need a co-signer ,nor does he need your Approval. If he said it, so it is !!!! If any of you find your self in this situation tonight.. please remove SELF and tell God that you're willing to do what he wants you too..ask him to cleanse you of yourself and all negative past memories and hurt so that I may noy hurt others, and that I can begin my life anew with the person of his perfect will, in perfect Peace . I apologize Lord for doubting you and I thank you for hearing me and answering my Prayer Then sit quietly and hum or sing this old hymn and I declare God will move in your Life, ...'I can hear 'My Savior calling ,I can hear My Savior calling. I can hear My Savior calling ,I'll go with him,with him all the way ..sing it until you hear from him... God is love and there is only one thing that God can Not do ,,,, AND THAT'S FAIL...!!!!! I dare you to try him.. Good night all
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2005-11-12 20:03:02
The Lord has not left us in a void. He is here with us, in the presence of the Holy Spirit, enabling us to hear His voice and perceive His guidance. Before rushing into action, be sure that you have heard Him correctly. - INTOUCH
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DWCOM
2005-11-12 20:13:59
Oh, Oh, You all have gone too far now. LOL! LOL! God doesn't sees any color. The bible says to not be unequally yoked and I don't think that means color. Come now. If folk want to go that way...it's their choice! LOL! LOL! Ya'll are something else! LOL! LOL! You know, there are nice brother out there. I'm one of those who believe that God makes the presentation. I don't believe that there is just one brother who foots the bill. God's too big for that. Now we have various kinds of brothers. There are weak brother (some you have to show and prompt them to do everything....in other word...you have to run everything), henpecked brothers, strong brothers and overbearing brothers. You have your pick. Brothers pick (deal with) what they can handle. If a sister carries herself a certain way, any old Jo Blow can't approach her. Her demeanor says it. The brother just won't feel comfortable approaching her. Personally, I can't be with a brother who doesn't know the voice of God at this point in his life! I can't be with a brother who doesn't know God's purpose for his life. He's has to have direction of where our family is suppose to go. If I am to be a helpmeet that is suitable for him, shouldn't he have a purpose that I can help him with? What will I help him meet? I've reached the point in my life where if the brother isn't there with God in his life, I can't do anything for him. I'm just not one of those women who will fix you up. I can't be with a man who wants to hold me down because of insecurities. I can't do it. A man has got to be a man! Now let me tell at the sametime, I would not be telling the truth if i didn't say that I don't have fear. I've had my heart broken before and the process took too long for God to mend it. I can't afford any mistakes at this point in my life. I've compromised before and got messed. That's why if the brother go to the flesh in the relationship....he's gone! He's not the one. He's got to love God more than me and has to love and respect me, my values, standards and goals. My goals, values and standards aren't debatable! PERIOD! On one end, I like being single. I don't answer to anyone and can come and go when I get ready. On the other end of that, there are times that I wish I had someone special to share my successes with and dreams with. Sometimes I wish I could curl up in front of the fireplace with my husband, but I can wait. I've got to be the one to get the one. God is working and when the time is right for both of us it will happen. Mr. LA. LOL! You are too funny! Wisdom, no harm ever intended. Sometimes one doesn't know what and why one believes what they believe until they are challlenged. Love Ya! I've got a question for ya'll???? LOL! LOL! What if the Bishop decides not to marry a sista???? LOL! LOL! LOL! Hum!!!! Sistas are some strong women...every brother can't handle one! LOL! LOL! LOL! Here we go!!!!!
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2005-11-12 20:25:00
Yes, we must hear His voice and perceive His guidance correctly. Listening is something that needs work in the natural, and in the Spiritual there is more to prayer and worship than simply talking to God. We must also listen. When we hear and obey His voice we recognize His timing, His will and His Truth regardless of the many other voices that may be be sincere, yet sincerely wrong. God has never led me wrong, not once!!
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2005-11-12 20:34:12
DWCOM ,All Hell will surely break loose!!
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2005-11-12 20:57:47
The woman he is secretly engaged to is Black.
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DWCOM
2005-11-12 21:06:07
There has been a lot of speculations recently regarding his fiance, but nothing factual!!!! When things are a secret nobody knows, but you know. I wonder how many other people know? What other information can you give? When he announces it to the world and gets married that's when I'll believe any reports. Until then, he could be engaged to 10 - 20 women and never marry any of them. Anyways, I just thought it was a good laugh!!!!
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2005-11-12 21:10:25
A LETTER TO A SINGLE CHRISTIAN— Everyone longs to give him or herself to someone…to have a deep soul relationship with another…to be loved thoroughly, and exclusively. But God, to a single Christian says, No, not until you are satisfied, fulfilled and content with being loved by ME alone…with having an intensely personal relationship with ME alone, discovering that only in ME is your satisfaction to be found, will you be capable of the perfect human relationship that I have planned for you. You will never be united with another until you are united with ME…exclusive of anyone or anything else; exclusive of any other desires or longings. I want you to stop planning, stop wishing, and allow ME to give you the most thrilling plan existing…one that you cannot imagine…I want you to have the best. Please allow ME to bring it to you. You just keep watching ME, expecting the greatest things…keep experiencing the satisfaction that I AM…keep listening and learning the things I tell you. You just wait…that’s all. Don’t be anxious. Don’t worry. Don’t look around at the things others have gotten, or that I’ve given them. Don’t look at the things you think you want. You just keep looking off and away to ME, or you’ll miss what I want to show you. And then, when you’re ready, I’ll surprise you with a love more wonderful than any you would dream of. You see, until you are ready and the one I have for you is ready (I AM working even at this moment to have both of you ready at the same time), until you are both satisfied exclusively with ME and the life I prepared for you, you won’t be able to experience the love that exemplifies your relationship with ME, and this is the perfect love. And Dear One, I want you to have this most wonderful love; I want you to see in the natural a picture of your relationship with ME, and to enjoy concretely the everlasting union of beauty, perfection, and love that I offer you with ME. Know that I love you utterly because I AM GOD. Believe it and be satisfied. Love always...
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DWCOM
2005-11-12 21:20:25
The letter to a single christian is nice!!!! Thanks! It's one that I will share with others.
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2005-11-12 21:22:49
Ministers Wife, That is what I was referring to when I used the expression hit and miss in one of my postings. I totally agree with you that when you pray and ask the Lord for a mate, He doesn't MISS. There shouldn't have to be an inspection. Yes, this insults God!! When the Lord reveals who your covenant marriage partner is, should that put an end to your dating? You are a woman of wisdom. I need help with this one. LOL LOL
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2005-11-12 21:39:06
You are very welcome DWCOM. This letter was given to me many years ago and I have shared it with so many people over the years. Again, thank you for helping the young man yesterday.
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2005-11-12 21:56:27
I'm not Yhe ministers wife ,but once your covenant marriage partner is revealed what reason would you have to keep dating others?
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2005-11-12 22:04:41
Where in the bible does it say God will pick our mates?
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2005-11-12 22:24:30
In the beginning...
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2005-11-12 22:29:34
So, because he made Eve for Adam, that means he is going to make a wife for each man? All women are guaranteed a husband?
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DWCOM
2005-11-12 22:40:47
I haven't seen anywhere in the bible that give an example other than Adam and Eve. Well, maybe..Hosea and Gomar??? God told him to marry her???
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2005-11-13 00:00:32
I would rather God be the one who aids me in the selection of a coventant partner. Are you really wise enough to choose over and above Him? Trust me if the one God sent has a burlap sack on for clothing and He makes it plain this is the one, Yea and Amen. LOL LOL You can always choose what YOU want, but be prepared to suffer the consequences for the wrong decisions.
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2005-11-13 00:10:15
There should not be any more reasons to date once the Lord reveals your covenant partner. What happens is, flesh gets involved, a person gets scared for whatever reason and runs from the one the Lord has PREPARED. Pride sets in when you FEEL you know what is best for you.
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wisdom
2005-11-13 00:14:49
Has anybody ever thought about I Corinthians 7:39???? You know it is talking about when a woman husband dies, "She is at "LIBERTY" to be married to whom "SHE WILL" "only in the Lord".......So in this case, if she is "AT LIBERTY" to marry whom SHE WILL, then wouldn't every one else be at "LIBERTY to do the same???.......I mean, why would the Lord give HER "liberty", and not everyone else?????........Wouldn't this apply to all believers?????........So we are all at "liberty" to marry whom ever WE will as long as they are in the Lord???.....(instead of the Lord making the choice for us)????........The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. I Corintians 7:39 ......(see what I'm saying????)
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2005-11-13 00:45:51
If one continue too date after his true partner has been revealed to him, then thie is desrespectful to her ,it as to say I know you're The one,but I really don't want you let me see if there's something better out there. He and she should only date eavh other and Grow in the lord. AT LIBERTY TO marry whom she will means she can marry again ,bound by law means one husband.. If a man is so full of himself not tobe still and accept Good's will, he should be by himself.. becaue he is IMMATURE!
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DWCOM
2005-11-13 00:47:31
Wisdom, we'll soon find out. LOL! LOL! I'd like to ask another question. Someone said that all hell would break loose if Bishop Noel Jones decides not to marry a sista. My question is why should hell break loose. There have been other Bishops to marry someone other than a sista and I might add in the same vicinity. So why should it be so different for him. Is it because he's in south central?
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2005-11-13 00:54:14
Because the referenced scripture verse does not end at, "she is at liberty to to be married to whom she will", wouldn't you say the continuation and end of this scripture verse, "only in the LORD" is key? Doesn't the phrase "at liberty", also mean permitted? If so, in this case who permits or gives her this liberty?
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+++++++
2005-11-13 01:09:29
All hell is going to break loose no matter what kind of woman Bishop Jones marries! Her race won't matter. Why should it?
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+++++++
2005-11-13 01:31:50
Christians ought to be color blind.
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2005-11-13 06:50:54
Wisdom, I agree, but my question is really directed to the person(s) who had an issue of brothers with women other than sistas and the person who indicated that all hell would break loose if Bishop Noel Jones married a woman other an a sista. +++++++++ Christians SHOULD BE colorblind, but this really isn't the case in the body of christ at all. We're not looking for the politically correct answer here, but he honest answer. The church has come a long ways, but still has a long wasy to go in the areas of race and racism.
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wisdom
2005-11-13 07:21:55
Well, the honest answer would be that's HIS choice, and the world would have to deal with it. Personally, I don't have a problem if he married someone of another race....my only concern would be obvious cultural differences.....but, with God's blessing, he can overcome anything........hasn't he already had an inter-racial couple in his family (sister Grace).....so its a possibility HE COULD go that route too......but, do you think its likely????? Is his congregation multi-cultural?????......I would think so in LA???? But I know its majority black, so there will be some "adjusting" for the congregation......And you're right, the "church" still struggles in this area of racial/cultural diversity....Dr. King said that the most segregated hour in America, is the 11 o'clock hour on Sunday mornings.......and that was almost 40 years ago, and I'm afraid it's still true today.....We just have difficulty accepting and relating to people that are different than ourselves....And most times in the Body of Christ, I don't thinks its intentional, but, our "fleshly, worldly" views just seem to spill over in the sanctuary......these are my thoughts
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2005-11-13 07:36:53
Ministers wife, how can you be so sure his mate will be BLACK????? is it because, that's what YOU want, and would like to see???? or do you have some type of divine revelation from GOD????? LOL LOL And as far as NO DRAMA when he gets married, there is DRAMA on this WEBSITE and He ain't even married yet!!! LOL LOL So how can you be so sure NO DRAMA!!!!! Just because God does something, doesn't mean there aren't any difficulties involved. We would have thought there wouldn't have been any DRAMA, when HE sent our Lord and Savior, but they crucified HIM!!!! And that was God's Will.
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2005-11-13 07:41:24
So if you are "single", then aren't you also "AT LIBERTY"?????
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2005-11-13 07:44:16
and Not "bound by law"????
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ministers wife
2005-11-13 08:02:58
The Bishops Wife is a cruial part of their DIVINE purpose and yes I can' see' things She is be Black and a support to him and his Ministry ,snd if hie engaged he will probdly soon start dropping Hints and Thanking God for answering his Prayers and that will help prepare any of the young ladies that think that they have a chance ,he process of elimination if I don't have the Ring' then it's not me. she obviously is not talking and if he is its probadly just to his sst. pastor or family members he can trust, The Bishop cares about his memberand his livelyhood he will prepare them and there will be peace,, Yes his Sister has date inter-racilly and perhaps so has he,,BUT HIS WIFE IS BLACK.. our Church is multi racial and mostly Black and I have some romance stories I can share but right now I'm ahead of you in time and I have to leave.. I'm color Blind PURPOSE is What is being fulfilled here not EGOS.. His sisters entertainment background and he has entertainment members God has to know this and will send him what he needs. your concerns about different backgrounds could be real if he married one of Berry Gordy's daughtheres , they grew up rich with servants .world travelers.. it not where SHE CAME FROM is not what's IMPORTANT ,IT'S WHERE THEY ARE HEADED,, THEY ARE GOING TO LEAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TO CHRIST ,BLACK WHITE CHECKED POLKA DOT LOL ..A testimony and praise is what God wants so that others can BELIEVE I have to go , But God is in THis !!!!
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2005-11-13 08:10:32
Ministers Wife, Do you also know what color Bishop's suit/robe will be today too? You seem to be certain about the color of HIS wife. LOL LOL
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2005-11-13 08:15:03
FYI, Grace was married to that man, and they had a son right, what was he French????
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2005-11-13 08:50:39
No, the Minister's Wife said, She is be Black!!!! LOL LOL
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+++++++
2005-11-13 12:27:16
Minister's Wife, you may well be a prophet. I have heard that his fiancee is Black. We'll all just have to see how it plays out.
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2005-11-13 12:44:14
Here’s an idea. Would anyone be interested in reading and discussing a book on this site? If so, what are your suggestions? What about one of these? 1.) God of Our Single Years: African-American Christian Singles Transforming Their Singleness into Blessedness by Kevin Morgan 2.) Believing God by Beth Moore 3.) Ending the Search for Mr. Right by Michelle McKinney Hammond 4.) The Single African-American Christian: Keeping a Clean Life in a Dirty World by Eddie B. Lane 5.) What A Man Wants, What A Woman Needs: The Secret To Successful Fulfilling Relationships by Eddie Long 6.) Being Single & Satisfied by Tony Evans 7.) Woman, Take Your Position by Beverly Rolyat
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+++++++
2005-11-13 12:54:45
I would be interested in discussing books here but not ones focused on singlehood.
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2005-11-13 13:05:11
What are your suggestions?
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+++++++
2005-11-13 13:12:48
How about Terry McMillian's new book?
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wisdom
2005-11-13 14:30:48
Hi, Stephanie, first of all the book idea is a great suggestion, but I don't have any suggested books yet......anyway, this must be on divine order, because usually this time a day on a Sunday, I am nowhere near my PC.....anyway, I just wanted to encourage you and tell you that it sounds like you are going thru a "transitioning period".....I've been there.....usually when God wants to take me higher and to another level, I began to get really disatisfied about life and current situations, and I start to take "self inventory", and reflect on where I've been, and where I am going in life.....I think God allows this disatisfaction to motivate us to seek Him and cry out to Him more, so He can take us higher......Just know that when you come out, you come out on victory side, and you have a greater level in God....And you know Stephanie, the "greater the level, the greater the devil"......So that's probably why you feel so "weird inside".....I've been there, (you're not crazy), its just a part of transition and the evidence of "spiritual warfare".....You see, when God begans to take us higher, the enemy gets mad!!!!....and begins to attack us to try and hinder the move of God in our lives! But thats all he can do is "hinder", he can't stop it......and as far as loneliness, I've been there too, and I was in a city with all my family, church family and friends.....Sometimes there just isn't anyone that can identify or relate to your particular situation.....BE ENCOURAGE, AND ALWAYS REMEMBER, THE devil CANNOT CURSE, WHAT GOD HAS BLESSED!!!!! AND REMEMBER, NOTHING LASTS FOR EVER.....GO THRU IT, DON'T GET STUCK IN IT!!!!......BE NOT WEARY, IN WELL DOING, FOR IN "DUE SEASON" WE SHALL REAP, IF WE FAINT NOT....Galatians 6:9 Love you and I will be praying for you!!!!
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mother Shepard
2005-11-13 14:32:12
Don't laugh to Quickly at the ministers wife there are people with gifts of prophesy . Ithink that this whole relationship is so that God can 'show up '. I belive that his wife will be Black and able to adjust to the many lifestyles that he is exposed to ,Black ,White ETC, Rich, Poor .noneducated.educated. The comments on this line is an examine of People doubting God, This will change as his ministry changes and his wife materialize in flesh/ One of my daughters went PASTOR McClendon's Church and yes his wife is white, but what God has for Bishop Jones to do with his and his wife's life is different from that of Pastor Mclendon.. W
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mother Shepard
2005-11-13 14:33:33
Don't laugh to Quickly at the ministers wife there are people with gifts of prophesy . Ithink that this whole relationship is so that God can 'show up '. I belive that his wife will be Black and able to adjust to the many lifestyles that he is exposed to ,Black ,White ETC, Rich, Poor .noneducated.educated. The comments on this line is an examine of People doubting God, This will change as his ministry changes and his wife materialize in flesh/ One of my daughters went PASTOR McClendon's Church and yes his wife is white, but what God has for Bishop Jones to do with his and his wife's life is different from that of Pastor Mclendon.. What people think will destroy his ministry will actually help to build it up,, Pray for him and The Bishop's Wife
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DWCOM
2005-11-13 15:09:26
Stephanie, I agree with Wisdom...this too shall past. We have to walk through the wilderness to get to the promise on the other side. Sometimes it is a lonely walk, but know that God is working something out for you in your favor. Embrace the time that you are alone maybe God is working on you to get you to the next level and you don't need those same people around you. God Your job, maybe its time to switch professions. It's wonderful that you've had your first experience praying. My first experience, I prayed all the way home in the car and wasn't able to stop for a bit. I seemed weird to me to, but that's because its something new for you. Let it flow, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night I wake up praying in the spirit. I just figure someone needs me to intercede for them and I keep praying until I get a release or fall asleep. It's obvious that you're ready for it because it's manifested. Embrace it and ask God if you want to know what you're praying about just be ready! I can't handle it so I don't ask God anymore. It always had to do with my family, so I just pray and go to sleep. Everybody, I just messing with you all about the Bishop being unconventional. LOL! LOL! Lighten up! We don't care who he marries! It's his coice!!!
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2005-11-13 15:18:38
Very well said, a good choice is a God choice. The right choice brings the favor of God. Remember He that findeth a wife findeth a GOOD thing and that GOOD things brings favor!!! It is the Lord that said HE that...........
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MR.LA
2005-11-13 16:02:57
Hi Stephanie I'll paray for you girl. DMCOM - I hate reading , I read tooo much in School,but it's a good idea I hope some peope take you up on it O.k. stop it!!!! Bishop's wife is Black and if for no other reason we need more positive Black Christian Couples so y'all ca stop talking about Whitney and Bobby Brown LOL .
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DWCOM
2005-11-13 16:06:12
I'm sorry that's a misquote. A good choice ISN'T a God choice. They author conveyed that just because you make a good choice doesn't mean that it's a God choice. For example, I can make a choice to marry an individual and he is a good person, a good christian, a good man, would make a good husband and we could live happily ever after...without any drama in our lives. Not a bad marriage. However, the God choice is another thing. It's tied u into your destiny. God does make the presentation, but you better make sure you are hooked up with God to make the the God choice over the good choice. It's a GOOD book!
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DWCOM
2005-11-13 16:11:50
A GOOD IDEA WORKS SOME OF THE TIME, BUT A GOD IDEA WORKS ALL OF THE TIME. This is much clearer. The last few had on her with you have been wonderful. Got to go now! E-ya'll in a few days!
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2005-11-13 18:28:25
DWCOM, A God choice we should say is a good choice. Thank you for cleaning it up.
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2005-11-14 04:40:34
God has many names that reveal various facets of His character, such as Creator, King, and Shepherd. But there's a name that meets one of our greatest human needs in a special way: Father. Each of us was born with a deep desire to be loved unconditionally—so many of our hurts and scars come from this desire never being fully met. What security and wholeness there is in knowing that we can call God "my Father"! Scripture tells us He is "a father to the fatherless" (Psalm 68:5) and that He will never leave us, even if our earthly parents abandon us. (Psalm 27:10) - INTOUCH
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minister\'s wife
2005-11-14 05:47:18
Mother Shepard so nice of you tooffer Testimony to my gift but when things lie this quotes are posted , I seehis face more. Last Night when everyone was gone I'cried Out to the Lord in an empty dark Church , and taled to My God. God's timing is Perfect, and what I saw was this , there 's a movie poster I thin it's King Kong . I saw something like that except it was God's Mighty hand and I saw him reach down and 'snatch' up The Bishop's wife,, so if he is engaged today by this time next week he won't be, and there's no if's ands or but's about it, as sure as Im' looking out of my window and see rain falling.. for some reason God is not Pleased,what I saw come mean many things ,death, separation,lost of affection .all I know he said 'My word stands forever'... I heard the voice of Jesus say come unto me and rest ,lie down thou weary one lie down thou head upon my Breast, I came to Jesus as I was weary wounded and sad ,I fond in him a resting place and he has made me Glad. Hallelujah.. It's all in God's hands now !!!
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??????
2005-11-14 06:24:43
Ministers wife.I don't make lite of your gift because I know a lady at my church who has the gift.but my question is, why would God answer his prayer and ours and let him get engaged,then take her away ?
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Mr. LA
2005-11-14 09:08:34
I have been brought to Tears, Ministers wife .I'm scared of you and I'm not LOL. Did the Bishop make the wrong decision and chose the wrong woman and that made God angry, ministers wife God has all power, can't he show Bishop. I'm still going to pray..MY friend said when he saw the woman at the Church he just knew that was his wife,oh lord .I hope what you saw does not happen. maybe you saw God moving the wrong one? I'm just praying
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2005-11-14 09:33:08
WHY, would God show a stranger, and not the BISHOP!!!
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minister\'s wife
2005-11-14 09:47:46
There are no strangers in spirit.. and how do we knw how God is dealing with him. As a minisers wife I know that there are a lot of people around that think that they know my husband,but they don't they see the him' that they want to see' and they never allow for him to Grow,, I on the other hand have divine permission to tell him the truth !!!! and I'm sure Bishop Jones is surrounded by the same....no one knows what goes on in his relationhips but he and his lady friend [s[ So as the person said just pray
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2005-11-14 09:54:27
So what was God's purpose in showing you???? Just curious???
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2005-11-14 09:57:38
I 'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I WON'T TAKE IT BACK THE BISHOP IS AGRROGANT AND TOO SIGNIFICANT FOR HIS OWN GOOD !!!! HE DOES NOT WANT A WIFE HE'S JUST ENJOYING THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION.!!! WHY WOULD GOD NOT ANSWER HIS PRAYERS ???
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2005-11-14 10:00:29
Maybe its just not time yet????
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2005-11-14 10:01:54
Why do you think he is arrogant? I mean what has he said that would suggest that he is arrogant?
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2005-11-14 10:34:07
I've said it before and I won't take it back.Let's give the Bishops personal life a REST. If he never marries who cares !!! This page can be uplighting and I've grown so much ,let's leave it alone.
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2005-11-14 11:01:48
Minister's wife I read your posting. I don't know what the Bishops fiancee does for a living ,but I interpet it as maybe he's going to lift her up !!!! and in it he's going to hold her in his mighty and powerful hands , I wish happiness for the Bishop ,I don't now him personally and I'm sure that he has a lot of a-- K---er's around him. that may give him bad advice,but at the end of the day Bishop has to answer to God for himself ,,maybe he needs to clean house , I'm sur that there are some people around him ,praying with him for a wife are not sincere, because having a wife changes the dynamics of things there are now 4 sets of eyes .and decisions deacons , adminstrators and others make when the pastor is not around,, will when he's married will fall on the shoulders of his wife .. Church people love power and some probadly don't want to see that lost especially if she's sharp!!!! There is no check and balance in his Church when he's not around and no one really to go to .. They maybe stealing lying and all sorts of things all in the name of 'THE PASTOR SAID Pray for him !!!!Please
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2005-11-14 11:02:01
yep, you do have a point
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2005-11-14 11:12:18
I believe the Bishop has children that attend and involved in his church, so there is some sort of check and balance system in place when he's not around. He knows what's going on.
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2005-11-14 11:15:48
his son used to be financial administrator.
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2005-11-14 11:22:59
Making Scripture your daily companion is the best way not to miss God's plan. Be prepared to spend time reading and listening while the Spirit teaches you what God's will is for your life. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-14 11:29:41
his son USE to be financial administrator???? what happened???
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2005-11-14 11:33:55
If you are living a life that supports your words, why would you do anything but serve Him? Our conduct reflects what we truly believe about our God and His Word. What message does your conduct convey? - INTOUCH
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2005-11-14 11:39:07
WHAT KINDA "HOOKY SPOOKY" STUFF IS GOING ON IN HERE TODAY????? KING KONG TOOK THE BISHOP'S FIANCE????? LOL
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2005-11-14 12:37:01
God will give us a solution to the problem–in His timing. We may have to wait for His answer. The wait may be long. He often uses such times to mold our character and to teach us principles He knows we lack. Sometimes, we’re not ready for His perfect answer, so He has to prepare us. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-14 13:13:42
Man sees the outside God sees the inside,that doesn't mean anything but if there's a need God will provide it or teach us ,sometimes what seems ready to some may not be ready to God and God knows all .and we should never be too busy to hear his voice
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2005-11-14 14:40:11
However God chooses to work in our life, we must trust Him. For instance, the Lord promised Abram a son but silently waited 25 years to honor His vow. What appears slow to us is not slow to God. He is working out the perfect timing of events. Our patience to wait on Him demonstrates our trust, which is rewarded when we come ever closer to God's goal: to become more like Jesus. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-14 14:44:25
I know that Juanita Bynum is not the mosy liked person on this site, but reemember back in the 90's when she was real 'HOT' then she took some time off and came back she said and I Quote ' God told me that I needed a new Heart,you think you are close to me and the sad thing is you are so far away from me . she said dhe had a relapse. and everyone around her told her to le and just say she had need of a vacation. Rod Parsley says just before
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2005-11-14 14:50:26
I know that Juanita Bynum is not the mosy liked person on this site, but reemember back in the 90's when she was real 'HOT' then she took some time off and came back she said and I Quote ' God told me that I needed a new Heart,you think you are close to me and the sad thing is you are so far away from me . she said dhe had a relapse. and everyone around her told her to le and just say she had need of a vacation. Rod Parsley says just before God gives you a higher Level of Prominence he usually purifies you restores you and sanctifies you ,, to keep you from having relapses Bishop Jones openly admits his issues ,so perhaps God is dealing with them so that they dont have the relapses some have had, to us it seems too long but not God's perfect timing,, Rod Parsley also said Sometimes when God is Leading us we don't know where we are going 'we just know that we are going t be HAPPY when we get there ! Let's wish them a God Directed Journey
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2005-11-14 15:31:12
WHAT ISSUES?????
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2005-11-14 15:37:12
He never gets specific...he just says he has issues...don't we all?
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2005-11-14 15:38:10
yep, maybe he has some deep underlying ISSUES!!!!
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2005-11-14 15:46:47
Well, we've gone from the wife being Black, to God taking her Back! LOL WHAT'S NEXT?????
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Mr. LA
2005-11-14 16:29:40
Ijust know when I'm cooking ,I don't want nobody in my kitchen.aand I'm not laughing.and when I'm in the hospital working I don't won't nobody looking over my shoulders. So if God is working it out for The Bishop and His wife I know that he does not want or need us in his business ,we have prayed and God will move in their life. So I'm getting ready to go towork and tomorrow I'm going to the Beach with a Friend so that I don't grow old by myself.. I'm keeping it holy!!!! Give it a Rest.. God's got this !!! So
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2005-11-14 16:30:56
I ask you not to make light of the Ministers Wife's words. There is truth to what she has said. It has nothing to do with KING KONG. You are in the flesh and cannot perceive her words.
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2005-11-14 16:42:29
To answer the question, Why would God show a STRANGER and not the Bishop?" God has SEERS (PROPHETS)in th kingdom. God reveals his SECRETS to the Prophets before He does anything. How do you know He hasn't talked to the Bishop? Was he not engaged once before and didn't marry for whatever reason? I perceive the Ministers Wife has prophetic gifting. That is the only explanation I am offering to you. God has men and women who walk with him closely and they are His friends. Friends share secrets, intimate friends.
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2005-11-14 16:47:08
MR LA, Are you hinting that marriage might be in the works for you? You go boy+++++LOL
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2005-11-14 17:35:36
So what was God's purpose in showing HER? Just curious?
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2005-11-14 17:38:06
I agree too the person in flesh missed the mark ,I think that the Bishop's Prayers and the prayers af the saints have been answered,but Bishop himself has made a decision on his own. and if he does marry the wrong one that's he bed he made and he will have to sleep in it with the witch he choose
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2005-11-14 17:44:08
Okay, I agree there are seers and prophets in the body, but I'm curious too. Why did he show HER? Will she call and warn the Bishop?
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2005-11-14 17:54:39
Even if the Minister's wife doesn't call him, what's stopping you? In fact, what is stopping any of you from going on the official website, sending an email/prayer request or calling the phone numbers listed? Rather than debating over prophecy, scripture, and especially the lives of others it's better to live out what the Bible says. At the end of the day, we all must be accountable for our words, actions, and deeds. Someone said it earlier, GIVE IT A REST.
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2005-11-14 18:10:55
Well, He showed HER, not US.
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2005-11-14 18:27:18
The Bishop I think was married to long and came out and the world has changed,I went to his Bible Study session from a few weeks ago,and he said he does not date movies or dinner, because dating is an investment and you don't invest in someone unless you 'think' you' have a future together how twisted is that ???,How do you know unless you go out and find out that they are not worth it ,, so how do you get engaged ??? a lot of people gasped when he said it but no one challenged him what's sad I think he believes it to be true . I mean you would think if he has been engaged a couple of times somebody would have seen them together at some point. they must not be to smart and the engagement may just be in their heads , I'm done with the Bible study because I'm not a member of his CHURCH but that did it for me . and like someone said I'm giving this site a Rest
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2005-11-14 18:41:48
I agree complete with whoever said...I 'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I WON'T TAKE IT BACK THE BISHOP IS AGRROGANT AND TOO SIGNIFICANT FOR HIS OWN GOOD !!!! HE DOES NOT WANT A WIFE HE'S JUST ENJOYING THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION.!
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wisdom
2005-11-14 19:08:13
oooh wee wee!!!!! interesting dialogue on today!! First of all if that is what the minister's wife saw, then thats what she saw, thats between her and God! .........Secondly, maybe the comment the Bishop made stating "he does not date movies or dinner, because dating is an investment and you don't invest in someone unless you 'think' you' have a future with someone"...... Now I can kinda understand where is coming from, cause I can look at clothes on a rack and tell whether they will fit me or not....I don't have to try on everything.....(you feel me)....Some time during an initial meeting and conversation, you know you're probably not interested in a person....I don't think you always have to date someone to know whether or not y'all could possibly have a future together....so maybe that's where He was coming from.....because I'm sure he knows if you want to get to know someone you are interested in then you will have to date.
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2005-11-14 19:36:48
Stephanie: Do you think he is dating the three women from his church that he introduced?
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2005-11-14 19:37:34
SOUNDS AS THOUGH THERE ARE A LOT OF BITTER AND UNHAPPY WOMEN POSTING ON THIS SITE. WHAT PROCESS OF ELIMINATION ARE YOU REFERRING TO? WHILE I AM NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH ANY OF THESE UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS ABOUT THE BISHOP, THE TRUTH IS, A VIRTUOUS WOMAN IS ALWAYS VICTORIOUS. SO, WITH THAT IN MIND IT STANDS TO REASON SOME WOMEN ELIMINATE THEMSELVES DUE TO HOW THEY RELATE TO MEN.
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wisdom
2005-11-14 19:45:23
LOL LOL, no you missed my point....Have you ever met someone and held a conversation with them, or witness them having a conversation with a third party....and you said to yourself, this person is really out of touch, or this person has a negative view on life, or this person is controlling...and you gathered this info, based on the initial conversation???.....Some time all you need is one conversation.....these are my thoughts
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2005-11-14 19:45:55
Stephanie, what did Bishop Jones preach?
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2005-11-14 19:46:03
Why do they sound bitter?
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wisdom
2005-11-14 19:50:44
One of the three women maybe "the one", but he had her to invite her sister and girlfriend along to make it look good!!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-14 19:59:23
Dating or using,,eliminating after he is done with them ,,naw God's says you're notright for me ,and Church women are stupid they will just keep coming wounded. Whoever said sounds like some bitter women. I agree with ministers wife that God is not pleased with him, he has been subject of conversations before but I thougjt he had changed and was really trying to settle down ,, adn God will show his wrath because HE knows better.he's hurting his image an dchurch and I believe Stephanie, and he had to know better he was show-boating ,, I thinlk he likes fast women.. and I know God's choice [S] is probadly toO slow for him. I Give up !! How women relate to a bishop should be different he should be in control and respected enough that if a woman propositioned him he would refuse,if members can be celibate why ccan't the Bishop >?
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2005-11-14 20:11:33
What information can you personally provide concerning his level of integrity? The point was not how women relate to the Bishop. The point that has obviously been misunderstood is how women in the church relate to men in general. They become, bitter, hopeless, negative, unforgiving busybodies because they refuse to sit at Jesus feet and learn what virtue is all about. And rather than being virtuous and victorious, some women prefer to be victims.
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2005-11-14 20:18:10
I doubt that one of the three is the one ,,i kept quiet because Mr. LA is such a supporter of the Bishop's but I heard a fe months a go he was lte for church because he had some very young lightskin girl from Texas, he was never seen with her but some of the people that you referred to that are his friends had made bomments about it it didn't set well with his members. No you can't if person is angry or conroling in one conversation sometimes the nicest person has a bad day, Here's a scenrio , because he's acting recklessly God has sent to his Church a precher that can Preach so if he's fooliosh enough to keep on acting crazy the co- pastor can step in his shoes and the congregation will never miss a beat !! No one around him tells him the truth and it's going to cost him.. he has some growing up to do and he may never marry , HE needs a career make-over ,, and women don't be angry he's doing you a favor he doesn't want anyone decent,he's just having a good time,
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Stephanie
2005-11-14 20:25:07
My posting was not so much about the ladies that was introduce by him, One was a dark skinned tall full figured lady with locks, the other was medium in skin color, and height, and the three was a much older lighter skinned lady, and very short. I don't know if any of them was his lady or not because as i said he did not introduce anyone as being his special someone. However, if any of them were, they aren't practicing what he preach's because anyone male or female, regardless who you are dating if you love them or really care for them you should be prove of them, have their back, and be able to express your love and respect for them to the world. Love, marriage, etc. is special and beautiful, it is not something to be taken lightly. And if one of them were his lady, she may need to think twice, an even three or four times about what she is really getting herself into!!!!!! But the point I was really trying to make was that this lady really needs to be of God because she is openning herself and her life up to a full plate, a plate that another person will not be able to walk in unless that are send and prepared by GOD! That why I said it's not so much praying for him, not that he to doesn't need prayer, but that lady is going to need alot of prayer and support with what she is going to have to fulfill. Because as I stated earlier the wrong decision or the wrong choice (person) could, or would destroy his ministry.
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2005-11-14 20:31:56
If he is such a "baller" or "playa", why doesn't anyone ever see him with women???? other than the 3 Stephanie saw at the church of course. How do we know he likes "fast" women???? He's too old for that!!!
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2005-11-14 20:35:57
One of his sister's Pam is tall, full-figured with locks???? Family members maybe???
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2005-11-14 20:49:04
Go back and read the Ministers Wife's comments. She said she had a talk with the Lord. She obviously was troubled in her spirit concerning the man of God. When you diligently seek the Lord, He will answer you, but not out of folly just because your curious.
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2005-11-14 20:53:02
If that was his sister think about it now for a minute, He would have stated just that with no problem. One time his sister Grace was at his church the City of Refuse an he introduce and acknowledge him.
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2005-11-14 20:53:02
Stephanie, when you first came into this room your comments had Bishop Jones walking on water...now you are somewhat critical...what's changed?
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2005-11-14 21:02:09
All three of the women were probably staff members as well as members of the church. If anything tawdry was going on, he certainly would not have introduced them. Can we give Bishop Jones a break on this one. Does every incident where a woman is near him have to be nefarious and evil?
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2005-11-14 21:03:48
Well, how do men relate to women in the church?? Is it any different? The same holds true for men. Men don't become bitter, negative, hopeless and unforgiving busybodies?
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2005-11-14 21:09:57
One thing I know of a certainty, God is getting His church ready for a mighty move of His Spirit. Judgment begins at the house of God. God is getting ready to pull the covers off of a lot of PIMPS and PLAYERS in the pulpit. There was a time that God winked at sin, but that time is no more.
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2005-11-14 21:15:57
You are going to hear more and more of preachers with no reverence for God, dropping dead in the pulpit, dropping dead giving the altar calls. They are like the sons of Eli, Hophni and Phineas. They committed fornication right in the temple. The Lord has spoken to me time and time again concerning the priests and the prophets and their profanity in HIS house.
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2005-11-14 21:33:04
Bishop has said often that one of the reason ,he is not married is because he doe not want anyone telling him what to do... If any of this is true. that's exactly what he should be looking for. Thank God for my wife she understands exactly how to tellme the things I need to hear.
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2005-11-14 21:35:02
Bishop has said often that one of the reason ,he is not married is because he doe not want anyone telling him what to do... If any of this is true. that's exactly what he should be looking for. Thank God for my wife she understands exactly how to tell me the things I need to hear. To the one that ask can we cut him a break,I think that's the problem too many breaks have been cut . The Church is 90% female and no one is anoited enough for him to date openly ?
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2005-11-14 21:37:13
To all of you who are criticizing Bishop Jones, when he marries a good Christian woman, which he will and probably soon, then what will you say about him?
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2005-11-14 21:43:40
Well let me hop on here and deal with this one. We don't want anyone telling us what to do. All of us nees someone to be accountable to. Somebody to look you dead in the face and say brother you are wrong!!! A friend is born for adversity. Open rebuke is better than secret love. Amen Amen Amen!!!!
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2005-11-14 21:51:35
If the Lord tells you what to do, you better get to steppin!!! Whether you like it or not.
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2005-11-14 21:59:34
THAT right we all need that someone who is not afraid to tell us the truth, I guess he's not ready for that someone and maybe he never will.. iIn order for his Church to respevt his mate he must.. No most pastor's traveling with staff introduce them along with their positions,, Don't get me wrong if he is engaged she should travel with him and that does not mean he's sleeping with her/ I really believe no matter what he's doing - The one he marries will not have slept with him, I don't believe he would trust her to be faithful if she could not wait with him... he a complex man and not a bad person but certainly needs much Prayer
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2005-11-14 22:01:15
That is what's wrong in the body of Christ. We don't want anyone telling us what to do. Don't hold me accountable. You cannot have the authority of God if you don't sit under God given authority You have be submitted to authority. You have people in the church operating in areas they have no authority or grace to be there. The sad thing is the Pastors don't know. They preach out of a gift, but there is no anointing. There are well known teachers on the circuit preaching with no grace or authority to operate in that ministry.
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2005-11-14 22:08:58
He may think a wife would hinder him from travelling so much. That's why he says, "he doesn't want anyone telling him what to do". I heard him say, in his first marriage, he lacked "balance". So maybe him the ex fell out over his busy schedule, and he is reluctant to remarry because of this issue??
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2005-11-14 22:11:37
What we have are a lot of ignorant Pastors. They don't know beans when the bag is open. LOL LOL. Pastors all over this country preaching a watered down gospel. Thus, you have a lot of ignorant people. Sheep are dumb animals and that is why they need a shepherd
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2005-11-14 22:12:03
Prayer for the Real wife not these fly by nighters , The REAL one needs prayer and to be able stond in times like these , Because God is true to his word and The Bishop is suppose to be about God's business and he needs a Strong Godly woman..who will no put up with nonsense. What will we say when he marries a Good christian women.?.THAVK YOU JESUS!!!
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2005-11-14 22:16:05
Now I agree, Pastors all over this country are preaching a watered down gospel!!!! AMEN!!!
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2005-11-14 22:38:26
What we have to do, is get back to Bible Basics. Go back to the foundation. It's holiness or hell. There is no pergatory. I remember years ago growing up, sinners couldn't stand in the presence of the Lord. The glory was thick. Now there is little conviction because the emphasis is not on workship and souls but on the head count, heads mean $$$.
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2005-11-14 23:04:41
THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IS ALL THESE BISHOP'S CALLE T.D JAKE'S THEIR FATHER I9N CHRIST AND I THINK HE'S MESSED UP
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2005-11-14 23:15:46
What's wrong with TD Jakes? I think he is a good preacher.
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2005-11-14 23:23:36
TAKE A BREAK AND JUST PRAY FOR THE BISHOP AND HIS WIFE,GOD IS NOT THOROUGH YET AND MAYBE SOME ONE WILL TALK TO HIM AND HE MAKES DOME CHANGES,,,GOD WANT'S A TESTIMONY SO HE HAS TO GET HIS LIFE TOGETHER AND HOW WOULD HE KNOW UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS .. MAKE HASTE O LORD WITH HIS ANNOITED WIFE.. GOD HAS TO CALM THE FLESH IN ORDER FOR TO BE EFFECTIVE. I don't think his wife would object to him traveling or traveling with him but she may tell that he has sheep here that needs him and I know he cares about them..he will listen
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2005-11-15 00:06:05
A true shepherd cares for the sheep. He will leave the 99 and return for the one that is lost. The majority of pastors don't care for the flock. They are hirelings. They go where the $$$ is. They preach for $$$. A lot of pentecostal players. They go where they are guaranteed $$$ up front. If they can't stay in a five star hotel, they don't want to come. Children across this country are going to bed hungry every night, and their concern is for a plush hotel room, limousine service, and all the other perks, manicures, pedicures. Everyone is not a spiritual father, mentor. It's just hype--it sounds good. I don't mean to sound cynical, but I came out of the streets. I was around the hustlers, pimps. Some of these pastors in my opinion are not what they claim to be.
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2005-11-15 00:13:29
Back in the day, do you every remember Pastors, Preachers wanting contracts signed for them to come preach? On top of that, they fly all over the US preaching the same stale bread, same message. The children who hear them, can quote them word for word.
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2005-11-15 00:16:17
What has transpired here on this site today is terrible. How low can some of you go in slandering someone? This exceeds the injustices of how African-American men are often treated in society when charged with a crime. He is automatically treated as guilty without question, and has to prove his innocense. Fortunately, in this case there is only one JUDGE and it's GOD. On this site alone, there have been a series of illegal trials against the Bishop, and make no mistake about it, many spiritual laws have been broken.
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2005-11-15 05:30:08
A servant's life is not self-centered but rather is focused on God and His work. The Bible calls us to serve the Father by following in the Son's footsteps. Believers would never call Jesus weak, but those who chase after the world's version of success probably would. Are you prepared to challenge our culture's idea of power by accepting the humble position of servant? - INTOUCH
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2005-11-15 05:37:22
if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, quacks like a duck, guess what? It is a duck. The church is too quiet about sin in the pulpit and quick to turn its head. I Cor 6:3 - Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
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2005-11-15 05:43:41
if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, quacks like a duck, guess what? It is a duck. The church is too quiet about sin in the pulpit and quick to turn its head. The pulpit is quick to tell the pews to let to keep quite God handle them. Do as I say and not as I do. Leaders in the pulpit should be held accountable for their conduct. I Cor 6:3 - Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
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2005-11-15 06:00:20
The Bishop says his sister likes fellas that she can tell what to do and men who makes less money than she does so she can tell I'll be back. But, when speaking of himself, he laughs and says that will NEVER happen.
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2005-11-15 08:11:06
That is NOT what we were talking about!!!!! Go back and read Mr. Fireman!!! LOL We were talking about "first impressions", and making a decision whether or not you want to know them any further!!!! NOT DECEPTION BY OTHERS!!!! We were speaking of some people you can look at, and tell they are not your "type", when you first meet them!!!!
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2005-11-15 08:21:41
My daugther said the Bishop's wife will give a New meaning to term Significant other.. they will be strong for each other and she is near that's why Satan is nervous. Keep lifting him UP !!!! He is a Man of God and has Helped so many and where he;s weak Lord give him Power and make him strong. the comparison to his Sister's mate and his ,,is his is a GOD Sent There are married Pastor's that are fathering several children in their congregation.. And Fireman Thank you,son you are so right in your Advice.. only God knows all I suggest everyone instead of a lot of postings today just Pray not just for Bishop's Jones and his wife but for Churches and Pastor's around the World.. THE WORLD NEED MORE JESUS .THE CHURCHES NEED MORE OF THE WORD!!!!
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2005-11-15 08:22:27
Let's "keep it real" people, WE do not want to date every one we meet. I think thats what the Bishop meant about not "dating and investing in the future"!!!
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2005-11-15 08:42:25
maydbe not but in ten years he has never been romantical;y linked to anyone ..and I know that there are some decent women in his Church..and pretty women he is arrogant and thinks that he's too good for everybody. Just curious ,, what do you mean you can tell by looking ,,you mean not pretty enough ,not thin or healthy enough in appearances , cause no one made themselves..
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2005-11-15 09:11:27
If someone just does not get your attention. Let's say you like tall slender men, and someone that weighs 450, approaches you. Then what???? Will you invest time in dating them????
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2005-11-15 09:23:28
And maybe the Bishop is just not ready for a commitment???? Is it anything wrong with that???
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2005-11-15 09:30:18
Should he keep saying that he's ready to be married if he's not ready for a commitment?
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2005-11-15 09:54:20
Okay, I hope she doesn't have any weapons!!!! Moving right along!!!! LOL Does he really say he wants to be married???
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2005-11-15 09:57:11
So looks don't matter to sisters????
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2005-11-15 10:06:08
YES HE DOES!!!!
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2005-11-15 10:07:54
That started in biblical days with Jacob, Rachel and Leah! LOL
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2005-11-15 10:08:04
WOW!! 'You may not have taken him back but you're far from Healed My Sister' is how I wil refer to the lady that was dating the Super star Attorney. I have been there unfortunately some Black men are very taken with women of light skin or white this is Status symbols to them , I was left with a child of a man who thought he's all of That.and he married someone else whie I was Pregnant,. I regret Thanksgiving is coming because I have to take my child to his parents and sit there with him and his wife .It's not that she 's pretty that bothers me as much as she's not nice, I'm a Christian and I will continue to wait on God for my Husband but this one showed me everything that I don't want him to be!!! Stay Strong and I'll pray for you if you promise to pray for me.. I love you ' My Sister.and theu call us Bitter ,
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2005-11-15 10:09:28
Well does he give a reason for not being married yet???
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2005-11-15 10:11:37
Women need to quit giving men "everything", before they marry them!
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2005-11-15 10:15:04
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
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2005-11-15 10:19:37
Last year at his church, he said at one time he thought he was going to get married, but he said shook his head back and forth and said you've got to know what's in there and kept shaking his head.
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2005-11-15 10:20:53
Yeah, you're right, why would I buy a membership to the spa, when they let me come in for free every day????LOL
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2005-11-15 10:24:36
Well maybe that unfortunate incident, has traumatized him! And He wants to be sure before he does it.
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2005-11-15 10:26:48
He probably has sistas that cook for him and look out for him, so he is in no HURRY!
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2005-11-15 10:27:41
Committ means nothing more than to Trust or Entrust,it's a poor Shephard who has not led a sheep that he feels he can trust, To the lady who is hurting, don't give up Pray .I can feel your pain. that's the trouble in the Pulpit too , everyone has First ladies that are Super Models and Barbie dolls and that's ok to be cute but they have no value .you talk to them about pain and they just look at you like okay . what now ?? The Bishop's only reason for not committing is ,he does not want anyone telling him what to do .. what to do about what ????not dating
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2005-11-15 10:29:59
Just like y'all don't want no "broke" man, we don't want no "unattractive" women!!!!
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2005-11-15 10:32:31
He wants to come and go as "he pleases", and don't want to here nobody mouth cause he ain't been home in 4 weekends!!!! LOL
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2005-11-15 10:45:29
I've read all the postings and I's ashamed . I go to Church every Sunday and I realize that I don't treat women the way I should and sad as it maybe no one Tecahes this from the pulpit, I will from now on try to be more understanding sisters. Unlike The Bishop I don't have to God's calling on my Life and so Idon't know they say it but it's something like he has to be accountable for the members that go astray. I promise this Day to try a litter harder and concentrate on one and see how it goes it may not work but I will try. I love sister's and my actions were not intentional ,I just didn't know better.
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2005-11-15 11:00:53
Well it sounds like TheBishop has some growing up to do - but for all the christian Black women out there that they call unattractive because of weaves and extensions and make-up Heres what will no longer be a secret,That's a 'wig' that Paula White wears .how cute is she without it?? only one of her hair stylists. knows for sure '
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2005-11-15 11:24:07
Thank You to the brother that promises to do Better !!! that's what people need to leave Church saying ,instead of looking at what everyone has on and laughing at the Pastor's jokes ,This Coutry is going tho Hell from the Pulpit not ,The White House.when they go there to they tell George about the wages of Sin or do they just sit there and say nothing of life changing impotance. Thanks again /You can do it !!!
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2005-11-15 12:23:36
Free .It sounds like you were looking for a Bolt of lighting to hit you and them you would have his attention lol At least you don't blame him . That's the problem with single Pastors aLL THE WOMEN ARE hoping and believing God for a Christian man so they turn their attention to the obvious.and The pastor may not even know that they are there even if its been three years ,he has more to concentrate on. Yes in your neighborhood there may be a shortage of quality men and a lot are in prison . It seems Like you were looking for more than a husband so God Bless and I hope you find one
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2005-11-15 13:09:21
To the professional educated cutee that posted her attorney friend left her for a younger woman, It had nothing to do with you. He left because he wanted to. It's called LUST. Women blame themselves all the time that maybe if I could have loved him more, or maybe if I looked better, or maybe if... I guess there will always be a maybe in the back of your mind, but don't allow that to prevent you from moving on. You be the better one. God has someone suitable for you. This person will love you for you. People leave relationships for some of the most rediculous reasons. It's about respect and committment. Respect yourself enough not to allow others to disrespect you. Be the best you you can be. I have been where you where and I am better for it. Be blessed and use that experience as a stepping stone.
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2005-11-15 13:11:51
HE Bishop needs Prayer and a Strong Godly woman to love him for himself and then his insercurities will disappear. God will send him what he needs when you say you need some those women come dress to show you where it is ..maybe he doesn't realize.what he's doing
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2005-11-15 13:24:41
If you are a single person who is desirous of getting married, then it is time for some serious inventory. Are you prepared for marriage? Are your bills paid? Can you submit to the person you love? Can you accept the man as the head of the household? That he is responsible for the final decisions if when you feel you know better or you may just be right about a situation and you know the other person is way out in left field? LOL I'm not in anyway talking about going against the scriptures on any given issue. Marriage is two whole persons coming together. Have you gotten rid of the baggage from your past unhealthy relationships? Can you refrain from projecting on a prospective mate your old flame so to speak? Are you secure enough to enter a godly relationship? Are you excessively jealous? Are you READY????
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2005-11-15 13:37:59
Let the church say.......AMEN
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2005-11-15 13:41:56
While I'm out here, let me say dont't go into marriage thinking you are going to change your prospective mate. We cannot change anybody. The Lord is the only one that can bring change. Yes, you can be an influence and bring about some changes, but what I am speaking of, are more important issues. If he is a mama's boy now, that is what he will be when you marry him.
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2005-11-15 14:16:52
I would like to commend the brother who said he is going to try harder to understand us sisters. That is a step in the right direction. The african american sisters have come a long way and we should have more respect from our men. We are queens and we are looking for our kings. We have a rich heritage so let's share it together.
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2005-11-15 14:25:22
What I am saying is that you have to permit the man to be the man. If you cannot do that, you are not ready for marriage. Is he going to make some rediculous mistakes? Yes he is, but that is God's order. God is the head of the church and the man is the head (covering) for his wife and family. If you don't have respect for that order, stay SINGLE. You need to go back and read my post.
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2005-11-15 14:26:42
VERY GOOD ADVICE, for those who are considering marriage!!! THANK YOU A lot of these things we fail to think about
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2005-11-15 14:36:44
Sisters you cannot be all in your husband's face telling him how wrong he is. Sometimes you have to step back allow him to make himself look like the fool even though you know better. He will see just how much of a man he is. He will also learn to grow. If every time he makes a mistake and you are there to straighten him out, you won't have much stored up in your love bank. Make sure you have made some deposits into that bank. When a mistake occurs, then he will be more likely to listen.
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2005-11-15 14:41:34
Sisters how many times have we been in the car with our men on vacation or whatever the case may be. We know they are going in the WRONG DIRECTION. They are MEN and would rather drive 60 miles out on the highway just to prove a point that they know where they are going. They don't LOL
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2005-11-15 14:42:13
For God's sake don't talk about your ex all the time. LOL!
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2005-11-15 14:42:52
suppose just maybe ,he can permint her to be a woman ? Just suppose she can pay for the debt she has because she has a job or some savings . Can you talk things over withecah other if not ,stay single what do you mean by submit?
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2005-11-15 14:46:03
Thank you and I am glad that you rightly interpreted my words for persons who are interested in marriage. I certainly don't advocate any wrong doing in any relationship single or otherwise.
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2005-11-15 14:46:38
Well if you still "love" your ex, you may talk about them a lot??
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2005-11-15 14:55:03
To submit is to bring yourself under authority. In a godly marriage or a God ordained marriage, the man is under the authority of our heavenly father. He then governs his household according to the Father's divine will. When you say I do, you must come under your husband's authority (submit). This submission is not whether you want to or not. If you cannot do it, again I say unto you, stay SINGLE. Pay your own bills. You made them.
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2005-11-15 15:04:33
Interesting point someone said Bishop may be still in love with his ex , well then he should back to her or get some therapy. I don't thnk he's in love with herand he says he's ready to move on to something new. but maybe she hurt him so deeply that he wants to go back and show her the 'new' Improved ' Bishop . It looks ike he is stuck ,you sometimes words are so hurtful ,things are not as simple as they seem.. but I would never let anyone think that they have been gone ten long years and s'till controlling my happiness ,, he should ask God to close all doors that need to be closed and open all doors that need to be opened, His ex wife would be a misfit in his life nowand God is going to Move him higher she would be a hinderance , she was right for bearing his children and that was her purpose ,, both should accept that and move on, to the next phaze ,THERAPY IS AN OPTION !!! Do the deacons have any sense at his Church.
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2005-11-15 15:05:08
To answer the question as to whether or not pesons can talk it over with each other about paying the bills. Yes, if that person is agreeable, then there is no harm in that. Why would you want to start a marriage off in this manner? What kind of an impression are you making right up front?
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2005-11-15 15:11:53
HIS EX-WIFE TOLD HIM HE WOULD BE IN SIN IF HE GOT MARRIED WHILE SHE IS STILL LIVING...I THINK HE'S HUNG UP ON THAT!
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2005-11-15 15:16:34
Only Bishop Jones knows the answer to the question as to whether or not he still loves his ex wife. Remember, she is the mother of his children and will always be a part of his life in that regard. That is a bond that will not be broken. If he has not reconciled with his past wrongs in that relationship, it will be most difficult for him to move forward with a new relationship. If he is mentioning her quite often in his sermons, then there is a strong possibility there is a soul tie there. Only he and the Lord knows that. We cannot speculate where his feelings are concerned. He should not marry until he himself does some serious inventory!!!
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2005-11-15 15:21:29
The bible said he would be living in sin if he god married while his ex wife is still alive or is that part of the bible outdated?
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2005-11-15 15:26:58
If Bishop Jones'wife divorced her husband, according to the scriptures, he is free to marry again. If he divorced his wife for any reason other than that given in scripture, then he is not free to marry. As far as the SIN issue, SIN can always be forgiven. You first have to forgive yourself. If you have wronged a marriage partner, you have to make it right. God will not even answer prayer for a marriage partner if they are not in harmony. God sees the two individuals as ONE. When you get in the FLESH and try to prove to the other ex that you don't need them now because you have obtained wealth, and you are out to proove something, you are operating in PRIDE and you will fall and fall hard!!!!
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2005-11-15 15:27:11
SPECULATION! How do you know his exwife said that to him?
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2005-11-15 15:30:11
WHAT!!!!! those who have I've seen her and she's not all that !!! BUT SHE HAS SOME HOLD OVER HIM. All He needs is the right woman to put it in perspective and God's help and then she will be what she should be EX.. stop the family gatherings once she sees he is happy she will move on// Make Haste o Lord ! poor baby that's his problem. now he's consumed with guilt.. until death do us part could mean the death of the relationship or the death of the love. HE needs Prayer all of you Pray for Him and ask God to take this hold off his life and I bind her spirit of guilt in THE NA,ME OF JESUS .. their children are grown and he should cool his ties with her. each time he sees her she renews the stress, she a lot older than him and controling is her game rebuke right now lord !!! she probadly has someone else now but messing with his head. she must think she's the cat's meow.. right now lord do it !!! It' Done ,, we just neede to know what the strongh hold was ,,, Let the Bishop began to Live!!!!
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2005-11-15 15:30:53
My dear soul, no part of the Bible is ever outdated. The WORD of God will stand forever.
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2005-11-15 15:34:40
BUT HE SAYS HE HAS REPENTED FROM THE SIN OF DIVORCE, IS FORGIVEN AND CAN GET MARRIED WHILE SHE IS ALIVE WITHOUT BEING IN SIN.
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2005-11-15 15:34:42
Exactly, since when until death do us part mean the death of a relationship??? Doesn't it mean physical death????
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2005-11-15 15:35:32
That's not what the bible says is it?
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2005-11-15 15:40:25
From what I understand, the Bishop is living good. The guilt you are referring to could very well be some deep rooted feelings he still has for her. Even though he was young as some have indicated when he married, doesn't mean he didn't love his wife. Love can make you do some CRAZY things. LOL LOL He needs some Godly counselers he can be accountable to. I am sure he has that. He is a qualified bishop!! He is not a fly by night man of God. I have never in all my years heard any scandal concerning this man of God.
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2005-11-15 15:47:34
Whatever the issue is between the Bishop and his ex is their business. I'd like to know where in the bible does it say that "until death do us part means the death of a relationship or the death of the love in a relationship?
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2005-11-15 15:47:59
IF he would be living in SIN join the club.. My ex had me messed but I met a woman that turned all that around . when my ex called me she noticed I didn't jump like I use too and she moved on!!!!
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2005-11-15 15:54:24
If Bishop Jones wants to spend time with his ex, what business is that to any of us? No one is putting a gun to his head so to speak. If he goes to her house, or wherever she may be, that is totally his perogative. The holidays can make persons do some strange things. It is this time of the year when families are getting together for Thanksgiving and Christmas. People start rehearsing and thinking about all kinds of things gone by. It's my favorite time of the year. I spend the holidays with my familia and I love it. We eat good ya!!! This is the real SOUL FOOD. LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 15:56:19
Who cares about him and his ex. I'd like to know where in the bible does it say that "until death do us part means the death of a relationship or the death of the love in a relationship?" Is this a new revelation?
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2005-11-15 16:04:33
Marriage for the Christian couple should mean a lifetime together. Until death we do part, refers to the physical death of a loved one. After that, you are free to marry once again. Remember Christians marry Christians. We are not to be unequally yoked with an unbeliever. There are stipulations in scripture where one is not free to marry again. Read it for yourself. It's there. Scripture interprets scripture. You have to search the Word for yourself. God told TIMOTHY a young minister, pastor, to drink some wine for HIS stomach infirmity. Now preachers all over the land are getting DRUNK!!!
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2005-11-15 16:12:59
If you are going to become a student of the Word of God, you have to know how to interpret the Word. First of all, God wrote the book using over 40 different authors whom he breathed on. He took them from various cultural backgrounds and they wrote from their own cultural background, but it is still God inspired and God directed. You cannot read one scripture alone and park there. Find other companion scriptures on the same subject and allow God to give you deeper revelation. If you do not have the HOLY SPIRIT, you will read all kinds of non sense into HIS WORD.
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2005-11-15 16:16:57
I have never heard of such absurd thing in my life. Since when does God have a woman to marry a man and the only purpose of the union is just to birth someone's children? Are there any examples in the bible?
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2005-11-15 16:19:05
What kind of church are some of you attending where you get such nonsense?
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2005-11-15 16:21:33
There is a vast difference between Faith and your five senses. Faith has nothing to do with the sense realm: what you see, hear, taste, feel, smell. When God speaks to a man, He speaks to his spirit. Your natural ears were not made for you to hear from God. With the five senses you make contact with the natural or nature. With God you make contact with your spirit man. Yes, He can speak audibally to you, but that is not his first choice. We are made in the image of God. We are spirit and we are to commune with Him from our spirit. Hopefully via His Holy Spirit.
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2005-11-15 16:26:01
Let me be the first to say, I am very proudly Apostolic Pentecostal.
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2005-11-15 16:27:12
WHEN IT COMES TO SUBMIYYING I HAVE NO PROBLEMS. NOW WHEN I SAID TALKING WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT TALKING PERIOD, I had just purchased atownhouse when I met my husband, I did not buy it with the thought in mind that he would pay for it because I have a job and I had not met him yet. but he was never a problem, we sold his house and start paying on the one I had chosen I do pay my bills ,with us it's give and take we don't keep scores. I think it is unfair to new partners when over the Holidays ,one spends the Holidays with their EX'S , and often it's because of Chikdreninvolved ,, why not this Holiday take your girlfriend or boyfreind or new wif or husbands don't leave them out ,, we are all Christians and if its over what s the differenc,, move on from the past my husband has Children and so do I, but they are grown and can go where they please mama's or papa', but we will be with another couple in Las vegas for Thanksgiving ,when we became one we left the ex's behind. They will stop by our home on Christmas morning and go to the ex's in the afternoon but we don't mingle with our ex's. If we see them we are cordial ,but they are not a part of our family,, my children's father is just that his children's wife is just that,,there is no anger but ,they are ex'es for a reason
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2005-11-15 16:35:00
It was Sarah in the old testament that laughed when God told her she was going to have a son (Isaac). She laughed and said, "Shall I have pleasure in my old age." There is pleasure in lovemaking and God intended it to be pleasuresome.
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2005-11-15 16:40:56
Bishop Jones is a single man. He is a Bishop, but he is a man. He gets lonely like everybody else. If he chooses to be with his family for the holidays, which he probably will, good for him. There are a lotof ex's that have remarried and are together today and happier than before.
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2005-11-15 17:02:40
COULD SARH HAVE MEANT HAVE PLEASURE IN BEING A MOTHER. BISHOP HAS MANY PLACES TO BE IF HE IS LONELY OVER THE HOLIDAYS.BESIDES HIS EX WIFE. , I THINK GOD MAY BE KEEPING HIS FUTURE WIFE FROM HIM UNTIL HE'S READY.
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2005-11-15 17:14:17
This is exactly what happens when people spend an entire day meddling in the business of others and being know-it-alls. It stirs up strife. GIVE IT A REST PLEASE!
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2005-11-15 17:16:26
Why get rid of the site, when you can get rid of your desire to log on!!!! LOL Now do what YOU can do!!!! Some of us enjoy this site!!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 17:18:29
Somebody mentioned they saw the ex, what does she look like? How much older?
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2005-11-15 17:21:03
Its okay to PROOFREAD your posts before you send them. LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 17:27:10
Did the ex take care of him in the early years? or did he have a natural job of some sort? Because his ministry wasn't that big in his early years, right? Maybe thats where the guilt comes from?
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2005-11-15 17:56:39
What needs to happen is All the Superstar Preacher's instead of Therapy need is 'Humble themselves and pray seek His face and turn from their wicked ways, The pulpit has become a 'Stage' and they are just Entertainers ,that why lives are not changing. Everthing is acceptable now and there is no respect for the pulpit or parents. They are all trying to be rich and hip. CLEFLO is just like willie lee our neighborhood 'PIMP' he studies CLEFLO to deal with his clients, its pitiful but true.. and T.D. has a HOLLYWOODagent, since when does a preacher need an agent??? I thought they had One ....GOD
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2005-11-15 17:58:18
How would you know she wasn't meant to be a part of the next level and the divine purpose of his life? He isn't remarried again. How do you know how much of a part she is playing in his life?
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2005-11-15 18:06:32
She was only a part of the PURPOSE when he was poor and struggling. She was no longer a part when he became wealthy and successful. LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 18:09:00
Why did you insult me because I repeated back to you what you said twice now. Honey, you can't take God apart from his word. God and his word are one. God is many thing to many people, but you have to read the bible to know what God is and what God is not. You can't sit there and let the Superstar Preachers tell you. What you say about purpose and destiny should match up with God's word. Not your pastor's word.
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2005-11-15 18:21:47
Where there is smoke, there is fire. You cannot play with fire and not be burned. God is an all consumming fire. When He burns STUFF up, there we be no ashes. No residue whatsoever. The time for the Celebrity, Superstar Preachers is coming to an end. Now is the time to be humble in spirit. Now is the time to pray for the harvest the Lord is bringing in. Preachers who are not concerned about the flock, God will judge them.
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2005-11-15 18:26:26
I came name several meb who married one woman when they were young and poor have married again now that they are successful and wealthy and she seems to be the wife he needed for such a time as this right or wrong it's true, for ever thing there is a season,
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2005-11-15 18:30:42
Oh so now we have seasonal spouses! LOL so instead of irreconcilable differences, we can now file on the basis that they are "out of season"! Are we talking about people or summer clothes! LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 18:32:30
I personally don't believe persons are on this site to stir up strife. This site has been a source of encouragement for me and I am sure for others. We are not here to slander the man of God. I think we are all in agreement that he is a true man of God. Albeit, misguided perhaps in some areas. So are all of us. We are communicating and growing and that is what life is all about. It is a process of growing. Did you come out of your mother's womb walking? LOL
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2005-11-15 18:38:56
Whatever Bishop Jones' wife looked like at the time, obviously, she looked good to him. There are still some things he might be attracted to. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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2005-11-15 18:45:16
Even though there were some St. John wearing sisters or alleged sisters in his congregation, doesn't mean the man of God wants any of them. He might be attracted to a little bling, bling. This is not enough to base a relationship on. It has got to be more than just a package.
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2005-11-15 18:46:07
Yeah, you're right beauty is in the eye of the holder. So who was he beholding, "Della Reese" or "Halle Berry". LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 18:48:55
No disrespect to Ms. Halley Berry, but she is now single. LOL
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2005-11-15 18:50:01
Just because you can name several people doesn't make it of God! There are seasons in marriage; however, we don't have a season to be married to one person for five years and another person for twenty years. There is NOTHING in God Word that confirms what you are saying or whatever preachers you are talking about are doing. Don't go by what people are doing...find it and study it in the word of God. You will be following preachers right on to hell.
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2005-11-15 18:50:10
If "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", and looks don't matter, do y'all think if Bishop Jakes was single there would be a website like this one?
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2005-11-15 18:56:26
I doubt it! LOL! Well, Bishop Noel Jones isn't easy on the eyes. LOL!
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2005-11-15 18:58:54
Let me say this in defense of the Bishop T. D. Jakes, to First Lady Serita, he is beautiful.
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2005-11-15 19:02:51
LOL LOL, Yes to Serita he is most beautiful, but you get my point right? looks do matter, cause if Serita left today, I don't see no web page in HIS future!!!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 19:02:53
First Lady Jakes did not divorce her husband when they had very lean days in their marriage. I have heard their testimonies. God has blessed their marriage and she has a good husband.
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2005-11-15 19:04:52
Did Bishop Jones wife divorce him because he was poor? Whats your point?
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2005-11-15 19:07:52
Your point is very well taken. If you desire beauty, then marry beauty, but don't stop there is all I am saying. This is not Bishop Jones' web page. He is the topic of much discussion. LOL
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2005-11-15 19:12:20
Yes, but why is HE the topic of much discussion? Are big, black, sweaty men not in season right now? LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 19:15:29
First of all, I don't know who divorced who. Lean doesn't necessarily make reference to money. When you get married, you should take your marriage vows seriously. For better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness..... Don't enter into marriage lightly.
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2005-11-15 19:20:32
He is the topic of discussion right now because he is a successful single prosperous man.
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2005-11-15 19:20:49
Did she divorce him? How do you know it wasn't the other way around? Did he say that she divorced him? Why would he even say who divorced who? They're divorced why does that matter?
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2005-11-15 19:31:32
If and that is a big if, Bishop Jakes were a single man again, there would be a lot of women waiting in the wings.
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2005-11-15 19:39:37
Why do people divorce? They come to the conclusion that they can no longer make the marriage work for whatever reason. If two persons really love one another, the marriage can work. Some times it is necessary to separate for a season. Some times that separation is divorce. Again, people are known to remarry and live happily ever after.
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2005-11-15 19:40:57
T.D tries to be wicked but as you said big black sweaty GAPPED TOOTH men are not in this year !!!! The Bishop is very Charismatic!!!
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2005-11-15 19:44:30
My understanding also is that Bishop Jones' wife divorced him. Should he decide to remarry her, his congregation should welcome her back.
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2005-11-15 19:44:30
LOL, now see I left the teeth alone, but you went there, shame! LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 19:49:17
Bishop has enough finances that he could have his teeth comestically enhanced. He doesn't want it.
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2005-11-15 19:50:28
Do people make these preachers "Superstars" or is it something they are doing? I don't think they have accomplished this status on their own, but yet we complaint about the houses, cars, celebrity status and agents?
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2005-11-15 19:53:12
I don't see anything wicked about Bishop T. D. Jakes. Albeit again, misguided in some areas, but wicked no. Bishop is a homeboy and there is nothing wrong with that.LOL
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2005-11-15 19:57:42
No he should not remarry her , I don't think she's right for him anymore he simply has some unresolved issues with her and needs to address them and move forward, She is matronly and his congregation is young and he's much younger than his years in his action,,she would come in as the Church Mother he needs a hot wife and one who has not caused him grief, his members may not be as forgiving as he is plus she will be looking at everyone wonderimg who he's been with a new one wouldn't care because he chose her out of the pack . No she should stay where she is ,there is no need for her there !!!!
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2005-11-15 20:06:13
Bishop Jones life needs fresh oil !!! Enough said
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2005-11-15 20:17:26
Maybe T.DJAKES thinks he so fine that he doesn't need to fix his teeth LOL And even if he was wicked or tried to get some .I tink all Christian Sistersrespect Serita so much they wouldn't give him none she just looks like she's been thru a lot and above ALL He is oNe ugly dude LOL ,, BUT YOU CAN JUST TELL HE DOES NOT KNOW IT
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2005-11-15 20:19:32
Will someone tell me what a hot wife is? Do you think the Bishop didn't cause his ex wife grief? Yes, he most certainly did!! He neglected his wife. He left her alone lots of times while he was on the road. This came from his own mouth.
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2005-11-15 20:26:05
I shall tell you what I say to my family members in my presence when they starting calling God's creation ugly. God did not make ugly, he made good. Yes persons are less attractive than others, but you don't have to settle for it. LOL
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2005-11-15 20:31:57
Trust me on this one, The Bishop will not be chosing one out of the "PACK" LOL. What is wrong with being a church mother type wife? Bishop Jones may act younger, but he cannot erase those years away.
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2005-11-15 20:35:27
REALLY, REALLY TURN ON THE TELEVISION BISHOP JONES IS GETTING MARRIED
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2005-11-15 20:42:50
What the Bishop does not need in a wife is a woman that doesn't no anything about church history period. She can wear St. John or whatever other designer fashions, but if that is all she is about, forget it. The First Lady has to be a woman of character and integrity. You have to do more than look the part. You have to know the part. Who wants an ignorant First Lady who just look good? She doesn't know the first thing about counseling, but what she can tell you is where she shops!! LOL LOL Get real..First Ladies are groomed by God for the position. The Bishop doesn't need a TROPHY on his arm. He needs a wife full of the Holy Spirit and that with a mighty burning fire. LOL
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2005-11-15 20:43:17
So, you think when Bishop Jones gets married all the networks will breakthrough regular programming to make the announcement? This room is getting crazy again!
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2005-11-15 20:52:23
LOL LOL Praise the Lord. This program is being interrupted to bring you a special anouncement.
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2005-11-15 20:56:18
I think we should all just take a praise break for his goodness unto us. Will the real First Lady Jones please stand up. Let me see, is she behind door #1, door #2, door #3. LOL LOL
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2005-11-15 21:11:56
This is no game show, but this is reality. There is too much ignorance in the church as it is. You need a seasoned woman of God who is respected by the people. Otherwise, they will be completely turned off by her. She is going to have to do more than dress. She needs to be a worshipper. she needs to be full of wisdom. After all, she is going to mentor women in the church. She is going to be their Spiritual Mother. The Bishop, whether he acts like it or not, is a Spiritual Father. He is not to be just one of the guys. He is not their buddy so to speak. He is graced to father the flock and the First Lady will need to be graced as well. She cannot be a busy body. Her nose is not to be in everybody's business in the church. Her position is to submit to her husband in the direction of the church. Again, she will have input, but he is the Pastor, and he is her Pastor. She doesn't have to sing, play the organ, piano, or preach. I hope the Minister's Wife will address this more. She is well able because she is a First Lady in reality.
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2005-11-15 21:17:23
More and more on TV, I see husbands and wives Pastoring in the Pulpit. Pastor and Co-Paster. It is very obvious not only are they not Pastors, they are not God called preachers. I am not about to name anybody. There are too many.
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2005-11-15 21:24:19
Someone called Pastor Creflo Dollar's wife Daphne. Her name if Taffi
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2005-11-15 21:36:49
I heard Bishop Jones say on one occasion that he has been a Pastor since the age of 19 I believe. I don't know if he has had any other positions other than Pastoring. You have to have been called to still be going strong and be blessed as he has been. I have heard him preach a few times. He is anointed no doubt about it.
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2005-11-15 21:57:32
Is thate anything in the bibical about Pastor and co-pastor? Taffi Dollar says that she is preaching out of obedience to her husband. Do God call the wife through the husband?
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2005-11-15 22:04:34
Pastor and co-past is the new wind of ministry. and another way to bring another salary into the household. It's all about the $$$$.
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2005-11-15 22:32:34
Someone said that his exwife was matronly looking. What does that mean? It would seem thats what he needs. a married woman usually marked by dignified maturity or social distinction b : a woman who supervises women or children (as in a school or police station) c : the chief officer in a women's organization It's sad to see people hung up on if his wife will be a hotie or not. If he's a hotie, will she be a headache? If he remaries his ex, he doesn't have to train her in ministry and because she's been there before she knows what to look for and how to watch his back. If they remarry, it would be obvious that both are better people than they were before they divorced.
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2005-11-15 22:49:11
God does not call the wife through the husband. God's call goes out to the person. No wife should be preaching simply out of obedience to her husband. If God has not called an individual to preach, you shouldn't be preaching. If your call is to teach, then you should teach and not try to preach. There are preachers who are also graced to teach, but you can be a teacher with no preaching gift.
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2005-11-15 23:13:20
The purpose of the five fold office gifts are to bring the body of Christ to maturity. We are to build up the body(edification). We are to bring the body into unity. Each office gift has a specific function in the church. The Apostle can operate in all five offices. The Prophet can also do the work of an Evangelist, but the gift is Prophetic. Not too many understand these offices, because of the ignorance of many Pastors.
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2005-11-15 23:20:33
Persons posting here on this site have selected the Bishop's mate totally by outward appearance. I agree, she will not be a hotie!!! She is the daughter of a King. She can be all of what is mentioned and still be Godly.
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2005-11-15 23:25:12
She will be the daughter of THE KING. My mistake...I said a King. He is the King of Kings. Amen
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2005-11-15 23:32:17
What Bishop Jones does not need is a woman with a Jezebel spirit. The spirit of Jezebel is not limited only to a female. This is a controlling spirit. A spirit that is not submissive and will not come under authority. It is a takeover spirit.
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2005-11-15 23:39:16
This is the kind of spirit Satan will send to try to influence the Bishop with. He will dress women up to look the way he likes them to look. She will be exactly a woman of his dreams. If he is not careful, he will fall. Jezebel was a harlot who stopped at nothing to get what she wanted. Bishop Jones has several women in his congregation with this same spirit!!!
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2005-11-15 23:45:17
Continue to lift the man of God up in prayer. He is aware of his surroundings, but he is no match for Satan without the help of the Holy Spirit. Satan is a master deceiver who has been at this game a long time. His aim is to KILL, STEAL, and DESTROY!!!
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2005-11-16 00:21:50
Don't worry, as someone stated earlier, God has this!! I believe there are some very dedicated prayer warriors in his church.
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2005-11-16 01:38:27
Are you implying that Yolanda Adams is in the runninng?????
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2005-11-16 01:49:40
Please...Yolanda Adams in the running...we don't need any new rumours started here!
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2005-11-16 01:51:57
There is nothing wrong with a woman preaching. Twenty and thirty years ago no one ever heard of pastor and copastor as far as the pastor's wife was concerned. Why do we think that now it is necessary to have pastor and copastor? If there isn't anything wrong, why isn't there any scripture to justified this? Is God just revealing things in the spirit that dosen't line up with his written word?
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2005-11-16 02:01:46
It won't matter who the woman will be. There is going to be something the members will find wrong with her. The bottom line is that he's happy at home. Why does she need to do anything at the church at all? Is it because it's traditional and what people expect?
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2005-11-16 02:24:50
Oh, I forgot to mention, I do not argue theology. Personally, I prefer to leave preaching and pastoring to those that are truly called by God to do so. Therefore I will not judge anyone concerning this matter. Why? Because only God is in the position to do so. In the meantime, perhaps you will seek God for answers to your questions concerning, whether it is necessary, right or wrong and what He is revealing concerning wives being co-pastors. There are also women Bishops today, and this has caused a great deal of controversy.
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2005-11-16 05:12:22
People have the mistaken idea that God calls only super-spiritual believers into preaching, missions, or other "official" church work. But ALL of us are servants of the Lord, charged with accomplishing His plan for our life. He places us in situations, vocations, and neighborhoods where we can have an impact. Think about the stay-at-home mom who raises godly children, or a bedridden man who prays regularly for his church family. Neither responsibility involves worldly power or recognition, but God honors such faithfulness. There are no unimportant positions in the kingdom of God. Our point of service may change with the seasons of our life, but we are always on duty for Him. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-16 06:09:53
Thank You Jesus and thanks for the INTOUCH postings.
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2005-11-16 06:21:21
Bishop needs to Pray -and focus The woman he is with is not his God given mate and yes if he marries her all hell will break loose- there will perfect peace when he marries God's choice , THERE WILL BE A SNAP in his spirit when they connect, he' going to hear something, there wil be a confirmation.
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2005-11-16 06:45:41
God will move supernaturally in The Bishop's life, In spirit orld the time hhhhhia at hand and for some reason Bishop has let self innnnfluence his decision but God has given his wife 'favor ' and he is dealing with her ,,, maybe there's something about her in the flesh he does not understand but he needs to pray and ask God for more understanding in his personal life.. he settling but God wants to use in in a mighty way and she's a vital part of it she is not one of thos Stephanie saw and he knows that. but she's being coy because she knows she's unworthy.... but The Bishop is ab abboited man of God on the verge of a light changing breakthrough and when he comes out he will see everything in God's order ,, the Jamacian in his does not want women to tell him thing but God's working with her voice so that she will be able to speak to him and he does not resent him she may not as someone said be one of the' pack' but she will have a kindred spirit where by she can relate and they will respond to her because she's real!!! He will love her like he's never love before and she will love back ,,there will be no infidelity.. please understand if you're reading my postings in the natural you may not agree or understand. because that's not how they are being sent.!!! PRAISE GOD FOR THE VICTORY !!! Bishop will be Happy soon
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2005-11-16 06:58:31
HUH????? Are you talking about the "INTOUCH" post???
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2005-11-16 07:07:05
Okay, I get it, you were talking about wives being co-pastors
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2005-11-16 07:11:41
The only "husband and wife" team in ministry I can think about in the bible is Priscilla and Aquila in Acts 18
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2005-11-16 07:22:11
If this is the same Stephanie that has been posting for some time now, she has stated she would like to meet the Bishop and she has been following him for about ten years. Now, in terms of spiritual matters, things must develop in the spirit realm first, that is those things that are to be eternal, rather than temporary. Stephanie is probably a beautiful Christian woman. But I am not sure God would want any of His daughters following a man for ten years. Women of God are to follow Jesus. It's not that she will have a kindred spirit, but it's matter of two kindred spirits being led by the Holy Spirit. Because the connection must be made in the spirit realm first, he would know by now that she is the one. Even in spiritual matters, kin recognize kin, and although manifestation may take a while based upon God's timing, recognition and acknowledgment does not take as long. In my experiences, there is a knowing. So, continue to pray for Stephanie for more guidance and clarity through the Holy Spirit. The woman God has for the Bishop is not a princess, I believe she is already an anointed Queen in her Father's Kingdom. God Bless you.
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2005-11-16 07:26:06
I thought Stephanie was just "following his ministry"?? Did she say she was trying to get "with" him? LOL
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2005-11-16 07:33:01
HE THAT HAVE EARS ,LET HIM HEAR
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2005-11-16 07:52:11
And your point???? I know we all have ears, but obviously our "spiritual ears" need cleaning some time!! LOL Leaders and everyone! So I asked the Lord to give them "some ears", that HE could speak too! LOL or some hearing aids whatever!!!!
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2005-11-16 08:47:30
Please read the posts and hear what people are saying and not what it means to you or if you said it why you would say it. If you're not sure, ask questions. "In all thine getting, get understanding"
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2005-11-16 10:08:17
Mr. LA WHAT'S THE NAME of The Movie? WILL YOU TALK TO THE BISHOP TOO ? WAS IT FUN UP THE COAST ?" ANY FUTURE TRIPS?????? keep holding up the bishop
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2005-11-16 10:45:01
NO one is signing in anymore but the regulars know who's talking,, Hi Mr.La Glad you got a way and had some fun. Now baby , don;t tell tehe name of the movie .o.k. guard our toungue beacause I know you want to and I'm so proud of you for not doing so. The 'Real' Bishop's wife needs to stau as she is until he's ready for people to know who she is.. No woman comes here knowing how to be a Minister's or Bishops wife ,yes. God equip you with some things and gifts but it's the Bishop's job to teach her about submission and the day to day what he expects of her, Today's woman is veriy independant so her nature is not one of submission ,she does it because God orders it her husband explains it to her and she complys women do not like the word OBEY.. THE young wive in our Church say Dogs obey .,,, whatever works I know scripture says ,lets not argue ,we understands she may not grasp it all at once .but she will, I didn't. now I'm a pro he's the Head..she will be his helpmate and he has to be patient with her. today is a new day ,it's not Biblical times tho the word stands some things are different and have to be done accordingly, I will continue to lift up the Bishop !!!!
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2005-11-16 11:16:38
Mr.la Who is she ??????? Inquiring minds want to know ??//
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2005-11-16 11:20:30
Stephanie never said she wanted involvement with Bishop Jones. She enjoys the ministry like a number of persons that frequent the places he preaches. If this was a man following Bishop's ministry, nothing would be said. LOL
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2005-11-16 11:25:03
The last I heard, Bishop Noel Jones is a single man. With this in mind, he is free to date whomever he chooses, including his former wife. There are no strings on the Bishop.
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2005-11-16 11:42:31
Bishop Noel Jones hired a man who is also is a divorcee with an ex wife and a child or children. His background is AME. Does anyone care to opine?
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2005-11-16 12:18:47
So what! People should get a life!
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2005-11-16 12:30:50
You need to get a life too!! LOL LOL You on here too, "BUCKET-HEAD"!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-16 14:03:32
LOL! He don't need no advertising. You is giving him all he needs.
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2005-11-16 14:09:25
LOL! He don't need no advertising. You all is giving him all he needs.
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2005-11-16 14:32:08
You also forgot to say he's fine!
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2005-11-16 14:36:52
Oh we didn't forget!!! That is something that doesn't have to be said! LOL
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2005-11-16 14:52:15
Iknow that's right but he does not waste his time ..he will probadly snag the first one that comes thru there of quality.. he does not think he's all of that.. but he's his
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2005-11-16 15:00:13
Yes he is all that! LOL I don't think is arrogant either, he's just set in his ways, and aren't we all!
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2005-11-16 15:17:11
Glad to know that the folk Stephanie saw do exist .and the Bishop does not have to travel alone,hey if she's out of shape and whetever,he's the one that will be stuck with her.. I'm so over his personal life . maybe that's what he needs and then it will be too disgusting to talk about.lolol
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2005-11-16 15:18:14
He said on the broadcast that he doesn't change easy. If that's not set in his ways I don't know what is.
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2005-11-16 15:28:20
Ugly women need love too! LOL LOL (Please don't respond to my foolishness)!!!!
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2005-11-16 15:32:10
What broadcast ?,he does not have to change for me I like him just the way he is .. nice and fine
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2005-11-16 15:40:17
Did pastor joe Robinson's wife leave him if so why , I know he will not be single long. he doe not seem picky he just seems nice .. he does not have the veil of secretcy over him
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2005-11-16 15:45:11
Is pastor Jo dating anyone ?? he's easier to reach out to .I'm cute I think he'll date if he knew I was interested and I would not have to under a lot of nonsense like with some people
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2005-11-16 15:46:06
If he wants it....we all should love it! Whatever tickles the Bishop fancy! LOL!
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2005-11-16 15:49:00
Aren't there other men at the church besides the Bishop and Pastor Joe Robinson? Are they the only eligible bachelors at the church? LOL!
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2005-11-16 15:51:01
He won't be on the market long,he's a Brick House !!!!
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2005-11-16 16:06:38
Is it really true that Bishop paid him $150,000 to come to the church?
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2005-11-16 16:17:03
My ears have heard the same thing. He is on the payroll for $150, 000. I, also, heard he is a Morehouse graduate.
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2005-11-16 16:22:08
HE's worth it and then some!!!!
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2005-11-16 16:27:29
He come from St. James AME Church in St. Louis, MO. This is under Bishop John Bryant's (Jamal Harrison- Bryant's father)district.
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2005-11-16 16:34:25
Yeah I think it's a safety issue for The Bishop if she's big black and ugly he does not have to worry about her cheating,and he can still travel with or without her
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2005-11-16 16:37:28
LOL! LOL! Since when is that a safety measure. Big girls cheat too! LOL!
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2005-11-16 16:42:12
You're right maybe he's saling his Dog!!!
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2005-11-16 16:46:21
I hope that's not true ,I hope God sends The Bishop something he can understand-lovely
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2005-11-16 18:35:46
In order to become the people God wants us to be, it is essential that we choose the right relationships. They are extremely important because without them, we will be unable to accomplish much in life. The relationships we should pursue are ones that: >Build our confidence in God as well as in ourselves. >Encourage us when we are troubled and despondent. >Stimulate us to reach our potential. >Energize us when we are weary. >Comfort us when we are hurting. >Forgive us when we make mistakes. >Love us unconditionally. >Confront us when we go astray. >Serve us when we are overextended. It is good to ask ourselves if we have anyone in our lives who fills the needs mentioned on this list. It is also important to discover what relationships may be dragging us down or deflecting us from the path of godliness. When this happens, we may have to separate from certain individuals in order to maintain our standards. But when separation is not an option—as when the unhealthy relationship involves a family member—we can still persevere to walk with God. Now, let’s look at the same list from a different angle. Ask yourself, Am I the person who lifts and steadies others in their walk with God? We can determine to provide those qualities to people around us. Such relationships are among life’s greatest treasures. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-16 19:42:54
Go ahead INTOUCH!!!!! LOL! LOL!
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2005-11-17 05:35:03
Excellent point!!
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2005-11-17 05:38:04
PRAYER TO START THE DAY… Dear Heavenly Father, as I enter into this place, I bring Your presence with me. I speak Your peace, Your grace, Your mercy and Your perfect will in this place. I acknowledge Your power over all that will be spoken, thought, decided, and done within these walls. Lord, I thank You for the gifts You have blessed me with and the anointing to use them for good. I commit to using my gifts responsibly and with integrity in Your honour. Give me a fresh supply of strength to do my best. Anoint my ideas, so that even the smallest accomplishment will bring glory to You. Lord, when I don’t understand, guide me. When I am weary, energize me. When I am burned out, infuse me with the light of the Holy Spirit. May all that I do this day and the way that I do it bring faith, joy, and a smile to all that I come in contact with. And Lord, when I leave this place, please give me traveling mercy. Bless my family and my home to be in order. Lord, I thank You for everything You have done, everything You are doing and everything You are going to do. In the name of Jesus I pray, with much love and thanksgiving… Amen.
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2005-11-17 05:48:04
That's an effective daily prayer, it covers "everything"...Thanks
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2005-11-17 07:13:36
Thanks for the Prayer,Very Soon God is going to let 'His' will be known to us beyond a shadow of doubt.
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2005-11-17 12:09:27
Things Oprah says about men: If a man wants you, nothing can keep him away. If he doesn't want you, nothing can make him stay. Stop making excuses for a man and his behavior. Allow your intuition (or spirit) to save you from heartache. Stop trying to change yourself for a relationship that is not meant to be. Slower is better. Never live your life for a man before you find what makes you truly happy. If a relationship ends because the man was not treating you as you deserve then heck no, you can't "be friends". A friend wouldn't mistreat a friend. Don't settle. If you feel like he is stringing you along, then he probably is. Don't stay because you think "it will get better". You'll be mad at yourself a year later for staying when things are not better. The only person you can control in a relationship is you. Avoid men who've got a bunch of children by a bunch of different women. He didn't marry them when he got them pregnant, why would he treat you any differently? Always have your own set of friends separate from his. Maintain boundaries in how a guy treats you. If something bothers you, speak up. Never let a man know everything. He will use it against you later. You can not change a man's behavior. Change comes from within. Don't EVER make him feel he is more important than you are...even if he has more education or in a better job. Do not make him into a quasi-god. He is a man, nothing more nothing less. Never let a man define who you are. Never borrow someone else's man. If he cheated with you, he'll cheat on you. A man will only treat you the way you ALLOW him to treat you. All men are NOT dogs. You should not be the one doing all the bending...compromise is two way street. You need time to heal between relationships...there is nothing cute about baggage... Deal with your issues before pursuing a new relationship. You should never look for someone to COMPLETE you... a relationship consists of two WHOLE individuals... look for someone complimentary... not supplementary. Dating is fun.... even if he doesn't turn out to be Mr. Right. Make him miss you sometimes...when a man always knows where you are, and you're always readily available to him - he takes it for granted. Never move into his mother's house. Never co-sign for a man. Don't fully commit to a man who doesn't give you everything that you need. Keep him in your radar but get to know others. Share this with other women and men (just so they know)... You'll make someone smile, another rethink her/his choices, and another woman prepare, and a man aware.-------- Okay, this is the advice Oprah gives, what do y'all think on this site???
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2005-11-17 12:27:02
Good advice !!!!! If a man just leaves you hanging and do not call you - move on!!!! there's someone out there that will call you and date you, Don't accept I'm so busy as an excuse ,you're never too busy for someone you love or trying to LovE
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2005-11-17 12:38:06
As a man I appreciate and will take this advice- we don't always know what's best . I'm one that wouldn't listen and just made lite of a relationships figuring it's not going any where really- Thanks to this site,I m willing to give Love a chance in the past one little thing and I shut down. Thanks for the advice !!! I have someone I need to call
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2005-11-17 12:38:37
That's true, if he WANTS you, he'll make time for you!!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-17 13:32:11
To the gentleman who responded. Your comment brought tears to my eyes. I think it takes a lot for a man to admit somethings and willing to change his disposition.
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2005-11-17 13:55:36
That is an excellent commentary from Oprah. Very good advice I might add, but she and Stedman either need to stop shacking up or get married? LOL
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2005-11-17 14:08:55
Case in point, why buy the milk, when the cow is FREE. Is it right to test the waters before you marry? No, absolutely not. It's against the law of God. It's about being SAFE. Well to me that is not safe, it is STUPID. She is showering him will all kinds of expensive gifts. He is not about to go anywhere. She has a live in lover that she is keeping. That is nothing to be proud of. She is not in a position to speak into the lives of younger women who view her show everyday faithfully on the topic of marital relationships.
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2005-11-17 14:29:00
There are plenty of women waiting in the wings for Bishop Noel Jones for the same reason. A quick fix to a life they have screwed up. A cureall if you will. The majority do not want the man of God for the right reasons. They want what they can get from him. Did he not make the statement about women not flocking to his church when he had no $$$$? Now that he has acquired a degree of wealth, they ALL want him. Now fancy that if you will. Sounds like we got some hookers on the pews to me. Don't get me wrong there are some qualified sisters in the church. Bishop Jones doesn't want a gold digger for a wife. You need to bring something to the table sisters.
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2005-11-17 14:35:47
I'm a sister and I agree, we need to bring something to the table as well. But, sisters are naturally attracted to strong successful men, because we look for security and comfort. A covering so to speak...I think thats what God designed....That's why men are the HEAD!! If a woman is successful, is there anything wrong with her wanting to have someone equal or above to her??
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2005-11-17 14:41:09
If you have desires of marrying a dignified man, a socialite if you will, learn the social graces. Study etiquette so that you will know what is expected on a dinner date to an expensive restaurant. By all means, let the man be the man. If he invites you to dinner sisters, he PAYS, he opens the car door, he pulls out the chair when you are dining. This is what I mean by bringing something to the table. You cannot be ghetto and expect to be with the Bishop. While I do not know him personally, I can deduce that this would not be acceptable to him. Learn how to speak...chill with the Ebonics in certain social settings please LOL. By all means, make good use of the king's english if you will.
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2005-11-17 14:47:57
My sister I am in total agreement with you. Women should look for men who are successful. Yes, we have every right to expect security in a relationship because the man is the head and demands are placed on him by the Father. When he marries the woman, he is her provider, he is to make sure she is secure, he is her covering, he is to have a JOB even if she doesn't. Some men don't want women to work and that is fine. That is truly a blessing. LOL LOL I say go for it sisters...don't settle.
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minister\'s
2005-11-17 14:55:06
What an insecure man that thinks he has noyhing a woman wants but material things .What about self -worth/ I have seen a lot of missed roomantic opportunity because men were busy guarding their material wealth ,today women are doing o'k themselves .there will be a lot of men sitting at home alone next Thursday with Benz and lexus and Royces because they are too afraid to let someone get to know them or go out to Thansgiving dinner together,, If all you're bringing to the table is Material items and baggage ,,, sister's digging your way wont be getting Gold they will get Drama ! So sister keep digging there are some God loving men out there who are not afraid to give a good sister some quality time. Praise be To GOD !!
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minister\'sWIFE
2005-11-17 15:01:47
What an insecure man that thinks he has noyhing a woman wants but material things .What about self -worth/ I have seen a lot of missed roomantic opportunity because men were busy guarding their material wealth ,today women are doing o'k themselves .there will be a lot of men sitting at home alone next Thursday with Benz and lexus and Royces because they are too afraid to let someone get to know them or go out to Thansgiving dinner together,, If all you're bringing to the table is Material items and baggage ,,, sister's digging your way wont be getting Gold they will get Drama ! So sister keep digging there are some God loving men out there who are not afraid to give a good sister Quality time . Praise be To GOD !! If they don't have the time to get to know you ,how will they have time to maintain a relationship1 We all change daily ang the littl thiings are so precious ,you don't need to be rich to show a women a good ,nor should does lack of funds eliminate her. We form opinios of people by sight, but until you spend some time with them you will never know,,, I 've been married a long time now and I'm so glad that my husband did size me up at a Glance- and so is he !!!!! Take your time
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2005-11-17 15:04:32
Most men that are single and wealthy have a tendency to guard their wealth. A lot of men think that ALL women want their money. This is not true. When she presents herself as a daughter of the King, she is presenting A LOT!! However, I do believe Bishop Jones is afraid of allowing himself to date or to marry for that and other reasons.
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2005-11-17 15:12:14
MInisters WIFE that is excellent advice for us sisters and we should take heed. Women should not be made to feel that we have to bring material things to the table like the man. Should the woman be totally disregarded because she lacks finances? What about other qualities that she has that the man be overlooking? He is the loser if all he regards are the outward necessities of life
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2005-11-17 15:35:34
I addressed my post to the Ministers WIFE concerning SCARS, but all comments are welcome, male or female alike.
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2005-11-17 15:41:55
DWCOM there are opportunties to better one's finances. You may get off to a slow start, but it doesn't always have to be slow. We should be making progress with the budgeting. I am not offended at all. LOL
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2005-11-17 15:51:35
First ladies try and talk to a qualified therapist or clery .-- I have discovered that the worst thing you can do is discuss your issues with a new partner ,,pray and wait for God to dea with you God is A HEALER. What I meant DWCOM
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2005-11-17 16:01:36
First ladies try and talk to a qualified therapist or clery .-- I have discovered that the worst thing you can do is discuss your issues with a new partner ,,pray and wait for God to dea with you God is A HEALER. What I meant DWCOM about lack of finances most men if a women is pretty and Broke that's ok.. some women don't have executive jobs and men don't want a decent lady making $10.00 a hour but there are soome wealthy men that are intimidated by women who are wealthy or educated Let me also address social Graces- As you know our Church as a lot of Wealthy Sports figures and I tell you if it were not for some of the ladies they were dating and or married they would have fallen on their face at an EXPENSE Dinner or BANQUET.. you have to be each other's helper, and note just because a man has money doesn't mean that he always fit in at Society functions .. we need to be open about our lack of knowig which folk or spoon adn make it fun . no one knows everything.grow witheach other/
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2005-11-17 16:13:15
COULD STEDMAN GRAHAM JUST BE A PAID COMPANION???/
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2005-11-17 17:02:47
Very good advice DWCOM!
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2005-11-17 17:10:30
TYPO DWCOM .You speak with POWER !!
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2005-11-17 17:36:30
Miniser wife; what if a man says he likes you ,and you want to start off slow allright he calls you but won't take you out . and I have cooked and invited him over and he always gives an excuse how can you make a man like this your friend ?
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2005-11-17 18:04:14
To Minister's wife. I agree that women can be hurt even when they are living chaste lives unto the LORD, if men lead them on. BUT when a woman ventures into fornication, soul ties are developed out of order and the hurt is more traumatic when the man is no longer interested, or the relationship does not work out for various reasons.
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DWCOM
2005-11-17 18:21:54
I think we give the other person too much power over our lives. I think we want someone to blame. That's why we say "he led me on" when it's our responsibility to check out and see if the WALK and the TALK matches. I think sometimes we want to be with somebody so much that we over look a lot of things. How can a brother date two women in the church at the same time and marries one and doesn't tell the other one until a week before the wedding? There was a whole lot of talk not matching up with the walk. How much times were the ladies settling for and both ladies came out on the band end. WALK and TALK has to line up!
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2005-11-17 18:26:57
Very good advice tonight!!! And minister's wife, do you think if we as women would just start off in a relationship "keepin it real", being "ourselves", men would be more likely to be "themselves". That way, if either party is not interested they can move on. Because I think true love is when you just love the "real, true" person, not a facade or an idealistic view of that person. What I'm saying is put the "real you" out there, if he doesn't like it then oh well!
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2005-11-17 19:06:29
Alright now INTOUCH!!!!! LOL! LOL!
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2005-11-17 19:32:32
I think Oprah doesn't want to marry without a prenupt, but she doesn't want to insult Stedman by having him sign one. This is why they have had this arrangement for so long.
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2005-11-17 19:46:06
Ophrah is a dynamic business woman and would have no problem shoving that piece of paper (pre-nup) in his face. LOL She signs many contracts in the course of her business.
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2005-11-17 19:47:27
Should wealthy Christians have prenups drawn up before marriage?? Anybody???
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2005-11-17 20:03:15
No No No Christians do not have need of prenups. If you cannot trust him or her, DON'T marry them. The two become one flesh in the eyes of the Lord. The Lord has promised us redemption if we take Him at His Word. That is the only written agreement we have.
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2005-11-17 20:07:50
I agree with you, I have often thought that Oprah has a divine purpose, and will be used in Kingdom work!
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2005-11-17 20:10:04
I don't think people get prenups because of lack of trust, but that get them in the event of a divorce, you won't be left with only half of your stuff!!! LOL
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2005-11-17 20:11:42
Some persons feel Oprah would be a good president one day. I don't see her as president at all. I don't perceive she has a desire for that. Condaleeza is not interested in the Presidency either. On the other hand, Mrs. Clinton is desirous of the Presidency, no doubt about it.
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2005-11-17 20:27:03
Yes, you're exactly right! You could lose it all, and have to start over! It doesn't mean you don't trust God or the person. Its kinda like car/homeowners insurance....you really don't WANT to have to use it, but its a wonderful thing to have, when you need it! LOL LOL
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2005-11-17 20:28:35
I think Oprah could beat Hillary, any day! Shes more in touch with the common people!
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2005-11-17 20:33:35
Oprah is staying on as talk show hosts because she enjoys it. The time will come, however, she will leave. She is still young and will pursue other interests. I don't know when her contract expires, but she may leave sooner. Again, I don't see her marrying Stedman Graham. Quite frankly, I think he is on his way out of her life for good. I perceive it will be by mutual agreement.
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2005-11-17 20:39:29
Yes, you are right, Oprah would beat Hilliary hands down no question. She has sat where the people sat. When Oprah talks, people listen!
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2005-11-17 20:42:35
Yeah, someone said that at work on today, if Oprah endorses your book or product, that is automatically an "instant million $$$$ for you! LOL
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2005-11-17 20:44:25
Oprah bought herself a ranch in California. She could also give Arnold S. a run for his money as State Governor.
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2005-11-17 20:44:28
I agree that redemption is the only written agreement that Christians need. Again too much emphasizes is being placed on material.. aas long as thats what's first and far most on your mind there is not trust and you should not be getting married ,,, you are a part of each other..ONE. when God has beem im the decision making you have some thing so much valuable than material things. to my husband and I it was never a consideration,,,, and never will be we grow closer daily. Never negotiate out of fear !!! and yes someone asked if you start off 'keeping it real ' will he ? yes .. You become the change you wish to see in your relationship/
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2005-11-17 20:51:22
I think Oprah placed a last minute call to a Mercedes Dealership in her father's hometown for Chritmas last year. The Dealership opened up for her and she bought her dad a new Benz.
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2005-11-17 20:54:14
Now see, why couldn't I have kin folk like that!! LOL LOL They going straight to Wal-Mart!!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-17 20:59:33
Bishop Jones has said he will get a prenup, as he should.
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2005-11-17 21:08:11
The girl the Bishop will marry will not marry him for his money, you can bet she will have some of her own. He's saying that now but I don't think he will when he finally get's married .. she's going to be the one that has blown his mine!
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2005-11-17 21:10:29
Oprah shops at the Benz dealership first! That's what I'm talkin bout!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-17 21:11:08
He is engaged...they have agreed to have a prenup.
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2005-11-17 21:11:38
Bishop Jones will not be able to find any scripture that would support that concept. No, he should not get a prenuptial agreement. All he needs to do is be sure that he marries the woman GOD SENDS. That is all the insurance he needs. I would be insulted as a virtuous woman of God to be presented with that kind of presentation by a man of God. I would not settle for that. He could keep his stuff and hit the highway speeding. LOL
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DWCOM
2005-11-17 21:11:40
As a Christian, I used to believe in prenups. However the older that I've grown I've learn that relationships are built on trust. I trust you enough to join myself to you in marriage until death due us part, I trust you enough to have marital relations with you not knowing who you've been with or how you've taken care of your,but then when it come to money, it's a different story? I would sign the prenup, but the marriage wouldn't never happen and the relationship would be over. For him to ask me to do something like that would say to me that he had some doubts of why I was marrying him in the first place and his doubts should have already been cleared when he made the decision to ask me to marry him. I don't think so.
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2005-11-17 21:13:34
A lot of minds have been blown! and Blown even more, when they end up in divorce court! Its not about not having your own money, But getting some of somebody elses money if you can!!!! LOL
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2005-11-17 21:14:49
I would tell that booger, let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
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2005-11-17 21:19:36
Bishop Jones will be married by spring.
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2005-11-17 21:20:39
Go back and read my post. You took me literally. While hide has negative conotations, I didn't mean it in that regard. With the intent to deceive. There is no weaving going on here.
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2005-11-17 21:23:41
Spring of what year? LOL LOL
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2005-11-17 21:25:17
What they mean is put most of yo stuff in yo momma name! LOL LOL
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2005-11-17 21:25:38
I agree with the person who said if The bishop needs a pre-nup he's marrying the wrong person.. yes people change and yes sometimes that don't .. I 'd take my chance with God that my mate would NOT be after my money ,,, If this one he is engaged to ,has signed a pre-nup SHE IS NOT the one God will speak to him regarding The Bishop's WIfe as she will be called Good night.
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DWCOM
2005-11-17 21:30:13
Isn't that the reason you would marry someone on the same or near the same level as you are on?
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2005-11-17 21:32:50
Some one posted Bishop Jones got married on TV last night right in the middle of our postings. Now he is getting married in the spring. Get a life!!
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2005-11-17 21:33:01
No one goes into a marriage hoping it will end in divorce?, or go in think "let me get this money". But, however once a split begans to take place, people get hurt and angry. Some times they try to do whatever they can to destroy the other partner. But, that wasn't there original intention.
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2005-11-17 21:36:45
In the words of Judge Judy, "Who gives a rat's behind?"
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2005-11-17 21:42:56
Most wealthy people are for prenups. Most not so wealthy people are always against them? why is this? LOL Is it that when you don't have anything to lose, you ain't worried about losing it? LOL
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2005-11-17 21:48:01
The wedding will be in the spring, 2006. Both Bishop Jones and his fiancee are very intelligent people. They have agreed on a prenup. This is a matter between the two of them, not public consensus or opinion. There is nothing in the scriptures which prohibits a prenup.
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2005-11-17 21:51:13
He has been preparing his church for months for an impending marriage. The rest of the world will be surprised, his congregation will not.
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2005-11-17 21:59:31
So be it.
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2005-11-17 22:00:04
So Bishop Jones and his fiance discussed the prenup with YOU? or do you have their phone lines tapped or the office bugged? LOL LOL Seems a bit personal to me!
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2005-11-17 22:01:59
Bishop Jones writes a column in "Gospel Today". A couple of months ago someone wrote him asking him about having a prenup. He was NOT an agreement with it.
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2005-11-17 22:02:26
When you pastor thousands of people, your congregation is the world! LOL
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2005-11-17 22:04:43
Maybe he's not in agreement with it for others, but for him, its quite different. LOL
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2005-11-17 22:09:08
Let me have a little input if you will. Again, I do not know Bishop Noel Jones. I understand he has been a Pastor a long time. I do not perceive that as a true man of God, and I believe he is, that he would consent to a prenuptial agreement. No way!
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2005-11-17 22:10:59
Won't that make him a hypocrite?
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2005-11-17 22:12:46
Who are you anyway? What makes you an authority on Bishop Noel Jones?
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2005-11-17 22:16:16
The person who wrote those posts is like a fly in ointment. A busy body inside know it all. You are wicked and most deceitful.
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2005-11-17 22:16:44
I heard him say in a message, that if you love someone "unconditionally", then you don't need a prenup!
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2005-11-17 22:17:17
Bishop Jones is a pragmatic man. That is why there will be a prenup. Christian does not = ignorant! As I have stated before, his fiancee is a friend of mine. She has put up with a lot of nonsense from foolish women like some who post on this site. But, she is brilliant and strong. She knows he loves her and since she doesn't want his money, she doesn't care about a prenup. She wants the MAN, NOT HIS MONEY!
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2005-11-17 22:20:19
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE BIG BLACK STANK NAPPY HEAD ONE HE'S MARRYING?
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2005-11-17 22:20:45
If Bishop Jones chooses to remarry, I don't believe that he will consent to a prenuptial either. Someone posted that the man said he doesn't date unless he's going to invest in a future with the person. That doesn't sound like someone who would consent to a prenuptial agreement.
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2005-11-17 22:24:09
Are you Bishop Jones' personal prophet? Does he discuss his personal business with you? Are you a fly on the wall in his house?
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2005-11-17 22:32:40
IF YOUR FRIEND IS THE BIG BLACK STANK HO .SHE SHOULD BE MARRING THE BISHOP,,YOU ARE A BOLD FACED LIAR- HE HASN'T SAID A WORD ABOUT BEING ENGAGED YOU ARE LYING AND IF YOU WERE HER FRIEND YOU WOULD NOT BE ON THI LINE TELLING HER BUSINESS!!!
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2005-11-17 22:34:05
Then what you are telling everyone on this site after people have posted things that he has said is that Bishop Noel Jones really doesn't believe in what he preaches if there is to be a prenuptial agreement. You are right Christian doesn't = ignorant, but him preaching one thing and saying another is basically nothing more than him being a hypocrite and I feel sorry for his fiance. She wants the man and not the money, that's why she is signing the prenup?? It was nice of you to let us know that your friend is marrying a hypocrite!
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2005-11-17 22:37:13
You are the foolish one. You have no wisdom to conceal the personal matters of someone you call a friend. Let your friend share intimate details if she desires to. She doesn't need you to speak for her.
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2005-11-17 22:38:33
I don't think that you are a friend of his fiance, if he has one. You may want to be or maybe even know someone who knows some, but a friend....NO!
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2005-11-17 22:43:59
You sound like a liar, I think The bishop and his wife would swear each other to secrecy and when any of us know anything they will be married,Get a Life !
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2005-11-17 22:48:43
This person does not know the meaning of FRIEND. They are not a friend, but a SNITCH. Should I define that for you friend?
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2005-11-17 22:48:50
If she is so brilliant, what in the hell is she doing with a friend like you? I don't call that brilliant. Immature maybe, but brilliant hell no! Sounds like she's young immature.
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2005-11-17 22:50:52
you want to be in the know ,you are a miserable busy body- The Bishop would not marry a fool ,, and anyone that tells you their business is a BIG FOOL// NICE TRY
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2005-11-17 22:53:43
Can't you see you are not welcome in here friend/snitch.
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2005-11-17 22:57:56
He has never said it's wrong to get a prenup. Even if he did, which he didn't, can't he change his mind like any other human being? Why aren't you all happy for Bishop Jones? Don't you want him to be in a happy marital relationship? Let's be honest, you women don't want to give up the fantasy of being with him yourselves! Why not just be happy for him and my friend. They would be happy for you.
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2005-11-17 22:58:45
If they were engaged, they aren't now!!! I just don't believe he would be with anyone who would have their business out like this. I don't. If he is, he is far more desperate than what I imagine.
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2005-11-17 23:05:56
Honey, please....use that line somewhere else. It's old and I highly doubt anyone is fantasing about being with him. Unless you're thinking that yourself by calling yourself a friend and putting their busines out there like that. Please......NEXT....ya'll moving right along!! LOL!
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2005-11-17 23:09:48
Next it will be she's engaged to Tavis Smiley!!! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!
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2005-11-17 23:11:41
Established men are not necessarily looking for women that are on the same financial footing. This is a myth that has caused many women to work as hard as or even harder than men to accomplish levels of success as dictated by society, yet some are still not satisfied. Some of these women have lost the very essence of the power of femininity, as well as what it truly means to be a virtuous woman as outlined in Proverbs 31. Contrary to rumor, highly successful men are not intimidated by the strength in a woman; in fact he celebrates it because he is aware that her strength is very different than his own. He simply does not want to have to compete with his woman, or be treated has one of her employees, business clients, or others she deals with on a day to day basis. And he definitely does not want to be constantly second guessed. This is why people are surprised when a man marries someone that does not appear to meet their expectations. Many successful men have married women that have not been on equal financial footing and they will continue to do so. Why? Because these men understand these women bring so much more to their lives and they know the value of a virtuous woman.
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2005-11-17 23:18:34
Are you the same person that said his exwife wasn't all of that?
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2005-11-17 23:24:49
NOW TAVIS IS ONE ARROGANT YOU KNOW WHAT!!!! WITH IS NO TALKING SELF!!
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2005-11-17 23:44:57
By all means let's be honest friend/snitch
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2005-11-17 23:52:47
Why are we still entertaining this foolish any longer? Nobody here is fantasizing about the man of God. You sound like Alice in Wonderland to me.
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2005-11-18 00:11:27
Alice in Wonderland, Are you a member of the City of Refuge in Los Angeles? Are you a personal friend of Bishop Noel Jones? Does he even know you exist?Are you a part of this alleged wedding ceremony? Are you a bible scholar? Are you reporting back to the alleged prospective bride to be on a daily basis concerning the postings on this web site? Are you in any way involved with any alleged wedding plans? How well prepared is the congregation at the City of Refuge about this alleged ceremony?
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2005-11-18 00:30:40
Look at the postings since I have begun to discuss their marriage. Now you see why they are not making their plans public. Not one of you have said, "I am happy that Bishop Jones has found a bride". Every comment is sarcastic and/or vicious. Christians? Happy for the man of God? You should all be ashamed!
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2005-11-18 00:36:08
Answer the questions. One is not a bride until they are married. You are the one that should be ashamed.
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2005-11-18 00:40:31
How does a person go from being a fiancee one minute and a bride the next. A bride is a newly married woman.
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2005-11-18 00:52:34
There are quite a few posting on here with folks saying that they would be happy for the Bishop. However, he hasn't made any announcement. The only announcement that has been made has come from someone who claims to be a friend of the Bishop's fiancee. You claim she has been getting nonsense from women about the Bishop, but no one knows he's engaged. I guess she'll be the one to put the ex Mrs. Jones in her place.....where an ex should be according to you. Huh.
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2005-11-18 00:54:15
Since you are carefully taking time to read all of our posts, you should have come to the conclusion that we all admire and respect Bishop Noel Jones. I don't think there is anyone of us that does not want the Bishop to be happy. As you can see, the consensus is against you. We don't sense that you are real. That is my impression of you. Go back and read the posts, nobody agrees with you. Yes, some may sound sarcastic towards you, but you lack credibility. I am a Christian and very proud to say that I am. I do not believe in prenuptial agreements between believers. One thing you need to understand is that Bishop Jones is a Spritual Father and as such he cares for his congregation. He is a man of wisdom and all of this secrecy you are talking about is unnecessary concerning any plans the Pastor has. His congregation is not immature. They very well know he has been single a long time. What I don't believe is that he would wait until spring as you say to inform his flock that he intends to marry. Why would he have to drop hints? He is a grown man. Free to marry whomever. He is not a weak man in my opinion that lacks trust in his flock. They are not going to act in an undignified manner if things are done decently and in order.
From:

2005-11-18 00:54:40
See...sarcasm. Face it ladies, Bishop Jones is no longer available. Where are the congratulatory comments?
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2005-11-18 01:04:28
What you call sarcasm, I call truth. When the time comes for the Bishop to marry there will be those who will congratulate him. Until Bishop Jones marries, he is available.
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2005-11-18 01:09:08
We have had some good discussions today if you haven't noticed. Is there any other subject other than Bishop Noel Jones, that you would care to discuss? I am willing to share with you. I can speak for others. I doubt if they want to commune with you.
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2005-11-18 01:11:41
Good night ladies. I will pray for you all to get over your obsession with Bishop Noel Jones.
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2005-11-18 01:12:31
Would you yourself enter into marriage with a prenuptial agreement?
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2005-11-18 01:16:03
I shall extend to you the same courtesy, good night.
From:

2005-11-18 01:20:28
Has everybody else gone to bed for the evening?
From:

2005-11-18 01:57:28
WEBSTER'S DEFINITION OF BRIDE: A woman just married or ABOUT TO BE MARRIED!
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2005-11-18 02:37:58
Until Bishop Jones marries, he is available? Since when are engaged men available?
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2005-11-18 02:53:11
I don't feel an engaged individual is available. I cannot speak for Bishop Noel Jones. That period of courtship should be respected by all.
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2005-11-18 03:04:23
Persons who are engaged are committed to be married. I shall respect Webster's definition as such. When I have a question about an issue of any kind, I read my Bible. I want to know what the Lord has to say on the subject matter. All of us are unique and have our own personalities. I try to respect other person's opinions. However, the Word of God is absolute, final authority on any given subject including engagement and marriage.
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2005-11-18 03:21:45
If it were a practice in our culture that men and women exchange engagement rings, much of this dialogue would not exist. Since this is not the case and it has not been determined that he has stated he is engaged, at this point, the best thing to do is pray that the Bishop will be blessed in this season of his life.
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2005-11-18 03:29:37
You have a valid point. I say to all who are desirous of marriage, go for it. But I am a content single person who knows that the Lord is still working on me. I know within myself, I am not ready. Why place that kind of a burden on someone when you know you are not ready. I honestly believe you can face a person and tell them you love them and really mean it, but say I'm sorry I aam not ready to be married at this stage of my life.
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2005-11-18 03:35:21
I think about the situation with the ru away bride in Georgia. She went to such extremes to avoid that marriage. All she had to do was confront her issues. Sure there will be some anxiety after postponing, but maybe some more time is required to work through necessary issues. I got some issues. LOL I shall be the first to say so.
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2005-11-18 03:39:58
When a man loves a woman, he would be willing to wait until the Lord prepares his covenant marriage partner.
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2005-11-18 04:22:37
"What are the characteristics of such a true friend? Most of us look for someone we respect as wise and just, who we can trust implicitly, with whom we feel safe and secure, and who will respond to us, help us in the right way, and be available whenever we want to share. True confidants are rare, and fortunate are those who have one." - INTOUCH
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2005-11-18 05:59:58
HE's not engaged to Tavis Smiley because Tavis Smiey is engaged to that ugly girl Tom Joyner ! who has wife LOL sure HAHA
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 07:03:29
To the lady who is a friend to the Bishop's lady, God will reveal that you aren't a true friend at all to them. How will you feel once the relationship changes? You should already know that Bishop Noel Jones is very discerning and you probably have already been exposed. I'd like to ask you how would you feel if your friend had done this to you? It's sad to justify yourself by accusing all of the single women on this website of wanting the Bishop. It's sad because you are her greatest enemy to do what you've done. I hope you have learned a great lesson and will learn to be a better friend to the people in your life.
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2005-11-18 07:27:55
DWCOM.. Yes girlfrien the so call friend is a REAR-END but so is the fianance if this is true because. I think it sounds like a big o queen to me and her and her girl friend are trying to use their freindhip with the Bishop to start so rumors to makoe her BIG O butt seem like she's all that and poor Bishop would never know .It's like 'child they saw me with you and 'They ' started spreading rumors when it's herBIG O sweaty behind'.. DWCOM girl i done catch enjoyed your posting ,I had to give it a break fo minute .I'm going to start ,checking twice a week because child,it grieve's me sometimes But I Love you 'gurl' and if I were 'you know' you would be in trouble .LOl Minister's Wife .. noboby can Hallelujah like you !! Your words rang true and you know I believe you God wants and will get the Glory...!!!!! and folks then will be able to go on with their life. The rest of y'aa need to stop Steddman and Johnathan may make cute couple and one' of them should have a little money.LOL
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2005-11-18 08:28:15
Mr.LA I know that you lol You think the queens are starting mess could she be messy too ? sounds decietful,but Bishop has discernment .
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2005-11-18 09:12:57
Mr.LA Don't blame the Queens , You came on this site and changed my thoughts about Queens .I think it's her and her girlfriends .And ,yes Stedman and Jonathan THAT Would work !!!LOL
From:

2005-11-18 10:06:07
Making a decision on an issue important to you can be extremely difficult. Sometimes it may seem as if you are hearing two or more voices, all of which make seemingly good points but also tug you in different directions. It is important that in these times you learn to discern the voice of God. There are several principles you can apply to what you’re hearing to gauge whether it is of God, but the most basic is whether the message conflicts with Scripture. God won’t tell you to do something that counters what He already has recorded for all mankind. Therefore, the best way to know God’s voice is to get to know Him. Spend time in His Word and soak in His truths. You must know God’s Word before you can differentiate God’s instructions from the messages Satan or your flesh are sending you. - INTOUCH
From:

2005-11-18 10:07:58
To all of you who have attacked me, I only posted that Bishop Jones is engaged because people in this room are interested in his marital status. A few weeks ago people in this room were praying for God to send him a wife. I thought the room would be happy to know that God has answered the prayers. I have said it before: Don't shoot the messenger.
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2005-11-18 10:15:28
You got more game than "Parker Brothers"! LOL LOL
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2005-11-18 10:40:41
well who is she snicth? and we are telling you that's not how God works ,that so call traveling person partner and her friends have BETRAYED The Bishop. and you need to SHUT UP!! or call 1-900 who cares ?
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2005-11-18 10:45:44
No, they need to log on www.who.cares.com!!! LOL
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2005-11-18 10:54:08
That big girl is Bishop's body guard! LOL LOL
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2005-11-18 11:41:54
So since you're her spokes person who is she ??? Don't stop now ,,liar They have more game than Mattel ,Toya are us and Reality T.V. STOP THE MADNESS ,, AND LIFT UP THE BISHOP IN PRAYER
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2005-11-18 12:36:31
People in this room dear are interested in the overall well being of Bishop Jones. You on the other hand, seem to be most interested in his marital affairs. How does one come to this conclusion, you are right back here in this room today. Why? Is it perhaps to garner information for self? Or is it not for self benefit? That to me is the definition of a SNITCH, a talebearer, if you will. A person who is only interested for their own selfish motives. Tell me, what do you have to gain by entering this room to inform us of the Bishop's personal business? Now the Bishop is a qualified Spokesman for the Lord. He would not have a problem sharing some things with the public, but he definately would have NO problem REBUKING someone of your character OPENLY.
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 12:39:01
Ma'am, let's be real now. This isn't to be rude, but your intentions were revealed in your posts. It doesn't feel so good to go back and look at the posts you submitted and know that you can't erase them does it (we don't know you, but GOD does)? I've done it too, that's why I'm careful and think about what I post because you end up feeling not so proud of yourself. The more you try to cover it up, the worse it gets. It was a bad move on your end as a friend of Bishop Noel Jones and his fiancee's (YOUR FRIEND) to reveal their personal business (even if it is true which I doubt). Maybe where you come from friends do that to one another. It's not hard to figure out the definition of a friend. You can you the definition up. Here's something to think about ..Pro 27:6 Faithful [are] the WOUNDS of a FRIEND; but the KISSES of an ENEMY [are] DECEITFUL. Don't try to clean it up anymore, just be a better friend.
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2005-11-18 12:47:54
If you ever decided to give up your current occupation, whatever it may be, you certainly wouldn't be suitble as a wedding planner, but you probably could find employment with the L A Times in the gossip column.
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 13:03:53
Mr. LA SMOOCHES!!!! You are something else!!! Love you too! I think there is a beautiful thing about this website and that is folks are able to discern with the quickness and if you aren't coming correct, you will be REBUKED in many shapes forms and fashions! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 13:06:57
Why are people using names? What happened to Wisdom?
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2005-11-18 13:12:47
We in this room pray to God ,to give to The Bishop 'Unmistakable Revelation' as it relates to his future wife,and that God will close all doors that need to be Closed ,and open All doors that need to be opened, And we will be so careful to give him the Praise1 Hallelujah !!!!!1
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2005-11-18 13:13:27
You're right DWCOM. And there is another issue that must be considered here. If this were true, and this so called friend has already disclosed this information to the world without the consent of the Bishop, there are legal ramifications. Unless he authorized her to publish this information, true or false, she could very well be libel. And why would he authorize her to do this when he has access to so many media sources? Think about it. Not only should we honor God in our dialogues on this site, but we must keep in mind that this is a form of publishing. So, let's not slander anyone.
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2005-11-18 13:29:03
During a period of engagement, a lot of things need to be considered before repeating the "I Do". My Pastor spoke briefly about marriage in our bible study lesson. He advised persons who would like to marry to take time to experience that prospective mate in different senarios. Like for instance, seeing them when they are upset, watching their behavior concerning different issues, etc. So, until a person marries, he or she is, available to get to really KNOW the other person, available to say no this Is not what I want to do, available to change their minds, available to seek counseling, available...I hope you understand what I mean. Until you marry, you are available.
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2005-11-18 13:37:41
It is my understanding from this web site, that Bishop Jones was in fact engaged at one time. The messenger themself said this engagement was never made PUBLIC. So, this is another secret engagement with again no PUBLIC announcement. What makes this messenger so sure this time that Bishop will not meet with another broken engagement, should there be one? Quite frankly, it makes do difference who terminates the engagement. We all should be mindful of posting the truth.
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2005-11-18 13:46:10
Engagement to me means I am in transition between being single and married. It means I haven't crossed over into marriage yet. I still have time to go in another direction If desire to do so. A process whereby I shall possibly enter into marrige. I didn't consult WEBSTER on this one. These are my own thoughts I'm sharing. I am very free to say I am out of here. LOL
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2005-11-18 13:53:51
Too many marriages have failed in the church and out of the church because of the undo pressure placed upon them. Some persons purchase very expensive rings for their engagement and then find out they won't be needing them. Then the rings are either sold on Ebay LOL, or gotten disposed of some other way. All the inlaws have been informed of the plans, invitations are all printed, everybody and their brother have outfits ready for the wedding ceremony. Now how do we tell persons we are not getting married with this kind of PRESSURE on us. Pressure can be a good thing for the child of God. LOL LOL You eat humble pie and bid the other God speed.
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2005-11-18 14:00:18
I got one better for you. They need to log onto www.getreal.com LOL LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-18 14:12:35
DWCOM, I'm around, I've commented a few times lately...I guess my writing style is not as "unique" as some others, so y'all don't recognize me!!!....Here lately, I don't log on as frequently, the dialogue has gotten a bit "out there"...some times I just don't know what to say, so I don't say "NUPPIN"... LOL LOL, I just listen and learn girl!!! LOL....yeah, why aren't names being used anymore??
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2005-11-18 14:20:52
When the announcement is finally made, we must lift Bishop Jones and his new wife in prayer.
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2005-11-18 14:38:41
Traditonally, the bride to be's father footed the bill for the wedding, but with the economy the way it is, I think everybody pitches in to help. It is not necessary to have an elaborate wedding ceremony unless that is your lifetime desire. Personally, I wouldn't want to spend a lot of money on a wedding. I would rather have it to invest for the future. If you can afford greater expenses, do it. I just try to be a good steward over my finances. I am not shy now about receiving. A small wedding ceremony can be just as enjoyable or moreso.
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wisdom
2005-11-18 14:42:37
DWCOM, Don't call me "GIRL" to loud, you know Mr. LA and Alphonse think I'm a "GUY"????...don't spoil it for them.!!..LOL LOL....You know I'm learning a lot just by sitting back and listening!!!! LOL....
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 14:43:20
After two people are married is it right for the partner to sever ties with their single friends? Women are guilty of this more than men are. I've never understood why women do this. Can anyone offer an intelligent answer?
From:

2005-11-18 14:47:04
I choose not to post my name because persons are quick to retaliate when they don't understand your thoughts. I too, try to be careful of other person's feelings even when we disagree. I might disagree strongly and it may come across in my postings, but I am just an up front person. I don't like immature game players. I think we are all pretty mature in this room even when we get carried away as some do. I must confess I wil chomp on deceit when I recognize it. LOL
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2005-11-18 14:52:37
If you have a good friend before the wedding, why shouldn't that person remain a friend. Good friends are hard to find!
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2005-11-18 14:55:43
I think some women sever ties with their single friends, because they feel their interests have changed. You know maybe she doesn't spend all day shopping with the girls on Saturday, but instead, she prepares dinner for her and her husband that day. I even heard some older people say it does'nt look right for a married woman to be with single women all the time. They say their roles and missions are different. A single woman is free....."a married woman is concerned about how she may please her husband"? LOL
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2005-11-18 14:57:59
A GOOD friend will look you dead in the face and tell you when something is not right. A GOOD friend is there when you are happy and sad, got money or got no money. A GOOD friend will not TELL(share your personal business with others). A GOOD friend has got your back. I say keep the GOOD friends and disconnect from those who are pulling you down.
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2005-11-18 15:06:51
Most of the people are not using actual names to post here, therefore it really does not make any difference whether or not a screen name is used. It's a matter of choice. What really matters is what we say, and how we say it!
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 15:12:09
If I wanted to address a particular post and there are several posts in between, it would be a little harder to address the particular person without a screen name than one who has one?
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 15:13:40
If I wanted to address a particular post and there are several posts in between, it would be a little harder to address the particular person without a screen name than one who has one? I understand it's folks choice!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-18 15:15:36
You're right, it does make it easier to address individuals, but, I guess some people don't won't their comments addressed! LOL Depending on the nature of their comments!!! LOL
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2005-11-18 15:21:37
It's not difficult to briefly recap the topic of discussion and address and/or direct comments to the person or persons involved in a particular dialogue. I think miscommunication occurs when people don't read all related previous posts, and jump on without understanding.
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2005-11-18 17:23:16
Like I said on yesterday, I don't think trust is really the issue with prenuptial agreements. No one goes into a marriage thinking it will end in divorce?, or go in think "let me get this money". But, however if a split does in fact take place, some people get very hurt and angry. Some times they may try to do whatever they can to hurt and destroy the other partner. But, that wasn't their original intention. It's just like car insurance. You don't get it looking to have an accident, you get it "just in case" you do have an accident.
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2005-11-18 17:56:45
I disagree if it's your convevant partner but most people of marrige like Paris Hilton and thoase people who enter in to it as a joke or a reason to Party... My Husband and I have been asking God in
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Ministers wife
2005-11-18 18:20:52
I disagree if it's your convevant partner but most people of marrige like Paris Hilton and thoase people who enter in to it as a joke or a reason to Party... My Husband and I have been asking God in Prayer that will give his people to come sincerely to the alter,and God laid it on our Hearts; Next Thursday we are asking our members that need a to hear from the Lord .that have some reason to be cleane, To meet us at The Church at 6;00 am Thanksgiving morning and bring a wash Towel and we are going to lay them on the Alter and Pray,, we are Thanking God for purification for without purification there can be no santification.we are asking God to release and wash ALL impurities for our lives that hinder us for doing his will. and asking God after having done this, create in us clean Hearts and renew in us The right spirit .and remove anything that would cause us to be unclean and theend results is to make us more valuable to his Kingdom. We are asking that only those that are sincerely Looking to hear from God to come , no looky lou's or critics, it's a re-commitment to God and a day of True meaning of the Day for Health and Strengh andminds not cursed by being slow ,,activities of our limbs and just the opportunitie to be in his presence... You see we believe if you don't bring something you can't get nothing out !! and that does not always mean money,, but so often we come to Church to start a fire and we don't bring any matches !!! There will be and offering oaccording to what you want God to do for you and for what he has done If you are tired show God we have people who have been travailing in the spirit for a while ,, and they need a break through We are not coming to play, we are coming to tell Satan NO MORE !!! WILL I be bound !1 ..It's not for everybody ,,but I believe God is going to meet us there in an AWESOME !!! If you think it will work at your Church and maybe your Pastor will let yall have an old fashioned Down home give "God the Thanks 'service ,,,I don't about you but when I think of his goodnes and what he has done for me!!! Praise him >when I think of how many families will sit at huged suffed tables and be so selfish as to not even say Grace.. I must tll Jesus All of my troubles I can not bear these burdens alone.. at the end of the services everyone can take their towel back home as a reminder that Praayer changes Things !!
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2005-11-18 18:25:13
Minister's wife what is it you have read about Bishop Jones' supposed fiancee that makes you think she is not the one?
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+++++++
2005-11-18 18:46:09
If a Christian woman marries a man with less than she has, should she ask for a prenup. Say she has a $500,000.00 home and makes 100,000.00 per year. The man she is marrying lives in an apartment and makes $30,000.00 per year. Would she be un-Christian in asking him to sign a prenup?
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+++++++
2005-11-18 20:10:27
If Bishop Jones is engaged, who should know about it outside of him and his fiancee...his children? His ex? His fiancee's family? If anyone outside of the couple knows about it, it's bound to get out! Someone will tell someone who will tell someone they shouldn't have. Next thing you know, it's no longer a secret.
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2005-11-18 20:26:13
If she was the right one we wouldn't be having this conversation would we ? Or if it were TRUE and I doubt it !!! Nothing bout sounds right and what was that persons motives ???/
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 21:11:05
I wonder how many folks who were victims of Hurricane Katrina and Rita had prenups? What is interesting to me is where we place our values. The value of my relationship with my future husband is priceless. I'm not willing to settle for any Joe Blow. When that time comes for me, I don't want anything standing in our way. If by chance it doesn't work out, hey, God did it once and he certainly can do it again! If it's money, he won't be able to manage it anyway because he didn't get it the right way!
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DWCOM
2005-11-18 21:59:52
Bishop Jones told the story when one of his sons was getting married. He said that he road in the car to the church with him telling him that he didn't have to do this if he didn't want to. He said they got to the church he said son this is the last time that I'm going to say this. Now you don't have to do this if you don't want to. All of this money I've paid, you know I like to have a good time. You two can go your separate ways and we can go in here like this thing went down. What does that tell you? It tells you that even on the wedding day if Bishop Noel Jones doesn't think its right, he isn't going to do it.
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2005-11-18 22:53:29
Bishop Jones gave his son some very good fatherly advice.
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2005-11-18 23:01:30
To my christian brothers and sisters who will be getting married one day, the best prenuptial agreement is getting on your face before the Lord and asking Him, Lord is this my husband or is this my wife? If he doesn't answer at that moment, keep asking Him. When He says YES, the agreement has already been established. He is a covenant keeper. He will protect what He blesses you with.
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2005-11-18 23:09:58
What you do want to make sure of is that God has sanctioned your marriage. If He hasn't, He is under no obligation to Bless the union. If Jesus is not going to be your father in law so to speak, then satan himself will RULE in your marriage. A house divided cannot stand. So make the decision do I want my marriage to be blessed by Lord, or cursed by satan?
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2005-11-18 23:16:33
blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience...you choose!!! good night all
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2005-11-18 23:45:44
Most Christians that marry, usually think that their marriage is ordained by God, initially right? Then why is the divorce rate high in the Church? What if you thought you were doing the right thing? But it ends in divorce still? I think that's why some people contemplate prenups?
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wisdom
2005-11-19 04:07:32
++++++,You know there is a scripture that supports Pastor Joe Robinson's comment, "for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light." Luke 16:8b
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DWCOM
2005-11-19 06:55:25
++++++++, $70,000 difference in salary? It would be obvious that they would have other gaps in other areas just as wide as the gaps in salary. For example: cultural, intellectual and social differences. In the natural, I would say no way!! However, the biggest thing is if they are both Christians where are each in their spiritual walk. Is he there spiritually or is he a babe???? In the case of Terry McMillian, she said that she knew the marriage wasn't going to be forever and he would be a better husband to his next wife. Terry went into it knowing it would end. Divorce isn't an option if you are a christian. If Christians want to have a prenup, it is their choice and it says a lot about the confidence level in their choice of the person they will wed. Christians should be particular in the beginning.
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wisdom
2005-11-19 07:07:07
Even though some Christian couples are "particular in the beginning", things do happen....Let's take Yolanda Adams for instance. She's a wealthy Christian sister, and she is also an anointed woman of God! I don't think she planned her divorce? I'm quite sure she sought the Lord diligently, before her marriage...at least I hope she did?.....Will her ex benefit from her music and acting career? Just food for thought...
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wisdom
2005-11-19 07:30:41
And another point, Yolanda is fairly young, (in her 40's) She will probably remarry!.....My My, the complexities of life!!! LOL LOL...Even as Christians...Just food for thought......
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wisdom
2005-11-19 08:26:33
I understand DWCOM, I can imagine how the music industry is.... but I have listened to Yolanda preach as well as listening to her music. Well, all I can say is that she "seems" anointed, and she "seems" to know the Lord!...But, none of us have the inside scoop regarding her marriage and divorce, so it is mere speculation.
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2005-11-19 08:32:33
Ithink Terry Mcmillian EX should have been awarded something. I know he did some things wrong, but by looking and listening to her ,living with her could not have been a walk in the park!!!!
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2005-11-19 08:40:12
So he should be awarded something for his "pain and suffering"!!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-19 09:42:06
The Word of God covers all the issues of life, including questions regarding prenuptial agreements. You have to search the scriptures for yourself. People can always justify a reason for doing something and even try to find a scripture to support their argument. There is NOTHING NEW under the sun and that covers ALL. If you are afraid, then get yourself a prenupt, but don't expect the Lord to protect your prenupt. He protects what He blesses. If you make a stupid mistake by marrying an indiot that you thought was all that in the BEGINNING, then you suffer the consequences. The blessings that God gives there is no SORROW added. Christian don't need prenupts.
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2005-11-19 10:05:00
These words are not in the Bible: Prenuptial Agreements, but research the scriptures to know God's thoughts on marriage and divorce. Get your natural mind out of the way. God does not speak to the mind. He speaks to the spirit of man; it is the candle of the Lord.
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2005-11-19 10:07:02
Do Christians need homeowners/car insurance, what about 401k's!!! Are we not trusting God when we get insurance or prepare for our future? LOL
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2005-11-19 10:15:23
You know I know I have God's protection and HE has HIS shield around me. But last spring, some youngster rear-ended me, going about 35 mph and I was sitting in my truck at a red light!!! Even though I have God's shield, I still needed my "uninsured motorists" insurance to fix my truck, because the kid didn't have any!!!! Should I drop my car insurance? I haven't read anything in scripture about State Farm, All-State or Nationwide!!!! LOL What are God's thoughts about insurance? Are we not trusting HIM when sign on the dotted line to cover our cars and homes? LOL Health insurance too! I know HE is my healer, but I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield! LOL What's the difference?
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2005-11-19 10:19:28
I wasn't ever planning on having an accident either, I just had the insurance "just in case". Did I show mistrust, because I had the insurance? That's how prenups are. You're not planning on a divorce, or you are not saying you don't trust, its "just in case" things don't turn out the way you expected!!! LOL
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2005-11-19 11:23:40
I understand your situation, but what if its someone that is in their 40's already well established, wealthy. They get married and stay married for 3 years and then divorce!! they need a prenup!!!! Who wants to start all over!!! If you don't have to!
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2005-11-19 11:26:10
Why can't a Christian couple just agree to leave the marriage with what they CAME IN WITH, in the event of a split!! Is that wrong??
From:
Mr. LA
2005-11-19 12:45:18
Whew!!! That's right cause nothing from nothing leaves nothing !! It's all about The 'BENjamins'.. just if you don't trust each other don't get married o.k? Who wants to sit up everday woundering'child if he/she leaves me what I going to do. LORD Knows I Loves Harpo!LOL But anybody comes this way will leave like they came and if I meet somebody I will leave like I came. I aint signig nothing and don't want nobody signing nothing!!!! Now WISDOM /DWCOM ,GIRLFRIENDS !!! ,I just about had to 'Jack myself back in the Box' we girfriends ,it figures ,no matter where I go I end up in a round full of Women ,But I aint' mad at ya ! Y'all be talking some good stuff and I'm learnig and growing.. Love you both!! Smooches
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+++++++
2005-11-19 12:56:12
DWCOM: You said, "Divorce isn't an option if you are a Christian". Does that mean Bishop Noel Jones is not a Christian?
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+++++++
2005-11-19 13:38:55
Someone posted that he is getting a prenup when he remarries. Maybe it's because he has been through a divorce and knows it is always a possibility even for Christians.
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wisdom
2005-11-19 13:41:28
Yep, Mr. LA, DWCOM blew my cover!!!! LOL LOL!!!!..... I have often laughed and wondered, "what did I say" to give that impression??? LOL LOL Am I too forceful, hard-headed or what!!!! LOL LOL.....I'm just a lil girl!!! LOL I guess it was some of my comments and perspective on life issues?? LOL LOL...Anyway, it was funny!!! LOL LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-19 14:21:04
Now DWCOM, you're right, we need to value the "goodies" more than the cash!!! LOL LOL
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+++++++
2005-11-19 14:30:03
DWCOM: Noel Jones is a theological scholar. He is aware of all the scriptures you just quoted and yet he divorced. What does that say about him as a man of God and a Christian? Are the standards different for him than the rest of us Christians? If not, why be so hard on "regular" Christians for getting prenups and divorcing?
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2005-11-19 14:52:43
What you call HARD is TRUTH. When you know the TRUTH, it makes you free. It's the way of the transgresser that is HARD. Bishop Noel Jones did not divorce his wife, she divorced her husband.
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+++++++
2005-11-19 14:56:04
Are you saying he wanted to stay married to his ex-wife...that is clearly not the case...he wanted out. He left her in Texas and came to California. She is still in Texas. If he wanted her, he'd be there too.
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2005-11-19 14:58:47
A prenuptial agreement is not an insurance policy.
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+++++++
2005-11-19 15:01:48
If she did divorce him, one would have to ask, why walk away from a 20 year marriage from a man of God like Noel Jones? Don't say because he travels so much. He has indicated part of the reason he traveled so much was to get away from her. Let's give her some credit as a woman of God. As he has said himself, he has issues (as we all do).
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2005-11-19 15:11:06
My perception is this; Bishop Noel Jones did not want this divorce. I do not believe he wanted out. He was probably forced out. When a spouse has determined to divorce and makes it perfectly clear, why would they stay? I still believe he cares for his ex wife. The extent of his feelings, only he knows that.
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2005-11-19 15:16:03
I have shared my personal views on prenuptial agreements. Obviously, we see things in a different light. There is no more discussion I am going to offer on the subject. It's getting to be redundant. Thank you
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2005-11-19 15:25:04
Now back to Bishop Noel Jones and his issues. He remainded with his wife in this marriage for years with the same issues. He had issues going into the marriage. How do I know, he is human and so are we. We don't divorce because of issues. Marriage is WORK. The more you love, the more you WORK. Now there is another Bishop, Clarence McMcClendon; my perception of him is that he wanted a divorce. He wanted out of his marriage.
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2005-11-19 15:29:10
He has indicated part of the reason he traveled so much was to get away from her???? Well know wonder, I would have divorced him too!!!! You ain't gotta be flying all across the world to avoid nobody, just move!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-19 15:32:48
Why did he want to get away from her?? Was she over-bearing or domineering or something??
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+++++++
2005-11-19 15:38:13
He has said she is a wonderful person. Why would he move to California to get away from a wonderful person who he spent 20 years with? Why would a wonderful person divorce him?
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2005-11-19 15:44:03
Why would ex First Lady Jones walk away from a 20 year marriage? Again, we cannot know what is in the heart of another individual unless it has been expressed and we are privy to it. Persons have said that he openly confessed to neglecting his wife by living an unbalanced lifestyle. He is a man of God, Bishop, Pastor, Father, but he is HUMAN. He is held to a higher STANDARD. To whom much is given, much is required. We are natural and spiritual beings. We are spirit and live in a natural body. You can't neglect the natural man because you are a spirit being. We are to let all things be done decently and in order. It is out of order to leave your wife for weeks without her consent. If she agrees, no problem. When she disagrees, other arangements need to be made to include her on your trips. Otherwise you are failing as a husband, covering for that spouse. Gods order is this: God FIRST, family SECOND, church THIRD.
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2005-11-19 16:01:49
Bishop Jones is a fine minister of the gospel, but there is no halo over his head.
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2005-11-19 16:06:53
Have you heard the expression, "Hell hath no fury, like a woman scourned?" LOL LOL Sisters do you hear me on this one?
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+++++++
2005-11-19 16:09:13
He "scourned" her?
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2005-11-19 16:35:11
Yes, I feel it is safe to say the First Lady felt scorned.
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2005-11-19 16:45:36
I don't want to leave anyone hanging so I shall break it down for you. SCORN: ignore, reject, turn the back upon, avoid, to refuse as a matter of principle.
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2005-11-19 16:54:38
Yes, he scorned her. He openly confessed that he neglected the First Lady. NEGLECT: ignore, overlook, keep ones distance, let alone, let slip, pay no heed or mind, not care for, to fail to attend to responsibilities.
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2005-11-19 17:00:40
I am on the First Lady's side with this issue. I do believe she is a wonderful person.
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2005-11-19 17:16:33
Any Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, or Teacher who flys all over the country and neglects his family is out of the order of God.
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+++++++
2005-11-19 17:42:20
Then a lot of famous preachers are out of order.
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2005-11-19 17:44:46
Maybe it wasn't intentional???, he was still young. And he grew up in a strict Pentecostal setting. I heard several stories of preachers putting the work of the ministry before their families. They just didn't know any better. They used the scripture, it was better to obey God, rather man! Just out of balance, because of ignorance!
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2005-11-19 18:00:38
+++++ You said a mouthful. A lot of preachers are out of order. If they have consenting spouses, like First Lady Jakes, then that is acceptable to the Lord. It's when the spouse has made it known they feel negleced and no changes are made, then this is disorder. Yes, there is a lot of ignorance involved. To obey God is to respect the order of God.
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2005-11-19 18:13:28
From what I understand the Bishop is very transparent. The Bishop has openly confessed with his own mouth that he neglected his wife. That is not jugment, that is truth. The truth does not need to be judged. You are free to discuss other subject matters whenever you feel you want. You are also free to leave this room if you are not agreeable. We are not here to judge Bishop Noel Jones. It's been said by some, that he is too transparent. Which indicates to me he doesn't telling his flaws. I have heard him say his has a daughter that tells him he give too much information. Do I believe he has repented? YES. Do I believe he is helping others? YES Don't just read the posts, read the posts. LOL
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+++++++
2005-11-19 18:19:36
Bishop Jones is responsible for putting his business out there for public comment. Comment is not judgment. If he does not want people to speculate about his former marriage, he should stop publicly talking about his ex-wife especially since she does not have public forum to respond.
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2005-11-19 18:23:56
If you are asking of me personally, can I freely, responsibly, and lovingly commit myself for the rest of my life, as in marriage right now? NO, I am not ready for marriage right NOW. We can change the divorce rate through Christian Education on the subject matter of marriage and divorce. You are free to offer solutions as well. Have You?
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2005-11-19 18:32:35
People comment in this room because we enjoy the diaglogue (exchange of remarks if you will). I don't think anyone minds a healthy discussion. Obviously we have the time. Now, what subject matter do you care to address? I think I struck a nerve discussing the First Lady Jones. Oh well.. LOL
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2005-11-19 18:33:05
Yes, I agree Christian Education could possibly be a start, as well as premarital Christian counseling.
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2005-11-19 18:38:59
See, we are in agreement and that is a GOOD thing. It's a step in the right direction. When persons have their minds made up about marriage and how much they are in love and ain't (excuse the grammar) nobody going to tell me not to get married, there is not much you can tell them at that point.
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2005-11-19 18:40:25
You "struck a nerve" for telling the truth???? All the info discussed have been in his messages, so what's the big deal???
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2005-11-19 18:49:33
Also, it is important that a couple agree about the roles that men and women have in marriage. There has to be mutual decision-making while respecting God's order.
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2005-11-19 18:50:14
Thanks to whomever just shared considering entering into marriage prayfully. That is the key that unlocks the door to one's happiness. I am sober minded, but I am not ready for the life altering choice of marriage. I am not CALM about the subject of marriage NOW. LOL I am FREE single. I don't want to lose my independence in marriage. I know that I have to consider another person when I marry. I know I would make a good wife some day, but the Lord is still WORKING on me. I am glad He is taking His time. LOL
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2005-11-19 19:01:00
No big deal whatsoever. The TRUTH has been told by the Bishop himself. If the man of God didn't want us to KNOW, he wouldn't tell us.
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2005-11-19 19:08:30
Praise the Lord because I have to be true to myself. I cannot lie to me. LOL I know ME and the Lord knows me. Although I have some issues, they are not serious. However they are serious enough to keep me from jumping the broom right now. LOL
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2005-11-19 19:14:43
I feel ya, at least you are woman enough to admit it!! LOL
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2005-11-19 19:20:20
You know I can really identify with you on that. I know I am selfish at times, I like my own space, I don't want to lose my indepence either. I have even been called "spoiled". But do you think if the right one comes along, a person could change. I mean, I think I would be willing to change, if its worth the sacrifice! But until then I like the single life!
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2005-11-19 19:32:29
You are wise to wait if you are not ready for marriage because it is a very serious matter. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being single. We all know our own issues, and if you are not open to share that sort of intimacy with someone on a day-to-day basis for a lifetime at this point in your life, continue to allow the LORD to work on you. In the meantime enjoy life as a Christian single. Be content and stay encouraged!
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2005-11-19 19:41:34
Yeah, your right, that's what I admire about Bishop Noel Jones, because he has been single a long time, and he obviously doesn't care about what other people think about his marital status!! LOL At least he doesn't reveal that it effects him!! Because ultimately that area of our lives is between us and God! and if we aren't ready we need to wait!
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2005-11-19 20:06:02
To the person that mentioned possibly changing if the right one comes along. In my opinion, a person has to be compelled to change and/or adjust for all of the right reasons. And if the change is for the better, and you ask God to help you, He will.
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2005-11-19 20:30:13
If the right person were to come into my life NOW, I would have to be honest and share with him I am not ready. However, would the Lord send this individual to me if I weren't? I feel some how I would be a burden to him now. I have no doubt that the Lord will send my covenant partner when He knows I am ready.
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2005-11-19 20:59:20
You would be correct to be honest concerning your thoughts and feelings if you strongly believe you are not ready for marriage. But it is possible that the LORD could send an individual to you, because HE has determined that you both are ready, and as a Christian couple you would be more effective in Kingdom business, for HIS GLORY. Of course, GOD would reveal this to both of you. In the meantime, simply be blessed and a blessing to others while you are single, and never doubt that the LORD will send your covenant partner when HE knows you are ready. What you may view as being a burden to a man may very well be an opportunity for God to take you to another level in your Christian journey.
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2005-11-19 21:13:46
Thank you for your words. They are very timely. This is how I want it to be. I want the Lord to send him to me. I shall not go to the man. You be blessed as well. I don't want to admit this, but I shall. I am afraid to marry. Good night and God bless you.
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2005-11-19 21:24:19
GOD IS GOOD!!
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2005-11-19 21:34:29
YES HE IS!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-19 21:35:03
++++++++, The bible stands true for all christians including him. I never made any excuse for him getting a divorce...that's his business with God. All anyone has to do is read what the Word of God has to say about divorce. God's standards are the same across the board. I don't believe in prenups and christians having them. Since he is a christian that includes him. It sound like you're trying to draw something out. What is it!!!!
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2005-11-19 21:41:24
I'm trying to draw something out?
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2005-11-19 21:55:22
Can two Christians be unequally yoked?
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2005-11-19 22:03:05
To the person that said they are afraid to marry. Join the club!!! You are not alone!! I am too!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-19 22:06:30
When the bible speaks of being "unequally yoked". It is talking about with "unbelievers". But however, two Christians can be very different in their walk of faith, and perhaps shouldn't marry if those differences will cause conflict in a marriage.
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2005-11-19 22:50:42
What's wrong with me ,am I afraid, I have met a together Christian sister and I love her she has a good career and stable , we enjoy each other,butI feel myself pulling away for her ,I don't like treating her this way what shoud I do ? maybe Ive been alone too long,she gives me my space and I'm not a dog
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+++++++
2005-11-19 23:47:07
How old are you? Have you had much experience with women?
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2005-11-20 00:13:49
Run brother run!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-20 00:17:45
You could be afraid, but to me you sound confused. If you love this Christian sister and you are pulling away. What are you going to do when you are head over heels in love with her? Run brother, run!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL LOL LOL
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2005-11-20 00:24:13
You need to get your END out of this relationship. She can't be all that together.Why would you be pulling away? It sounds to me like you are enjoying the package, but not the PERSON. Run brother, run!!!!!!!!
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2005-11-20 00:58:23
Sometimes people are afraid of commitment. They may love the person, but the thought of losing one's freedom can be frightening.
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2005-11-20 01:22:57
Brother, you have issues. Do her a favor and leave her alone to find a man with some sense.
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2005-11-20 09:54:17
First, You need to stop listening to your buddies "horror stories"! Just because they have failed or bad marriages, doesn't mean that will be your destiny!!!! Maybe your buddies didn't wait on God, and got with the wrong people. Or maybe your buddies are not the "right" people!!! I've been there!!! AVOID THE NEGATIVETY!!! IT DOES BRING FEAR!!!!
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Christian, formerly ++++++++
2005-11-20 12:37:44
A few weeks ago, someone suggested we start a book club in this forum. It never caught on, but I was wondering if anyone would be interested in starting a bible study here. We could do it by topic, for example marriage since that is talked about a lot here, or target particular books or scriptures. For example, right now, I am meditating on Eph 6:10-17, the whole Armour of God and what it means to actually attempt to implement those scriptures in my daily life. Someone else could suggest other scriptures or lessons, and so on....I think we could all get a lot out of something like this. I know I would because there are a lot of biblical scholars who post in this room. What do you all think?
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2005-11-20 13:21:11
Nope I go to bilbe sudy I just want to talk abot The BISHOP!
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Christian
2005-11-20 13:54:03
Well, can we at least talk about his sermons and teachings?
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wisdom
2005-11-20 14:02:12
Christian, I think that is an excellent idea!
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wisdom
2005-11-20 14:05:29
And to the person that just wants to talk about Bishop, that's fine when y'all got something really to talk about!!!! Not something crazy and off the wall!!! LOL
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Christian
2005-11-20 14:11:05
Thanks Wisdom. Any suggestions on topics?
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2005-11-20 19:56:11
To the person that stated the Bishop has used the word “devious” to describe himself, I have also heard him make the statement,” I can be devious”, during one of his speaking engagements. And initially I thought it was a negative statement, but in the context of what he was saying leading up to that, I viewed it to mean he enjoys shaking things up. You know he is somewhat radical, a rebel with a cause if you will. Mother Shepard is correct about the various meanings of the word devious, and it also means indirect in departing from the accepted way; deviating from a straight course; roundabout; circuitous; wandering, etc. Mother Shepard is also very perceptive concerning his wife to be and the difference in how he will view the marriage. They will definitely have a lot in common because God has designed the union and she is being prepared. Although she has not been made known to all others, she is known to GOD. And because the blessing of the LORD maketh rich and HE adds no sorrow with it, they are two very peculiar, imperfect people GOD has perfected for one another for HIS GLORY and of a royal priesthood for HIS PURPOSE. Of course, they will be a power couple and God will receive all the GLORY, HONOR AND PRAISE IN ALL THAT THEY DO THROUGH HIM!!
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Christian
2005-11-20 20:30:02
Stephanie, what did Bishop Jones preach about when you saw him recently on the east coast? What was the scriptural text? I wish we could talk more about the substance of the man as a man of God rather than his personal life. And that goes for me too. There's got to be more to him than who his God sent mate will be!
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Christian
2005-11-20 22:11:14
.....or maybe there isn't? Can people please start posting exactly what they have heard Bishop Jones teach that has changed or influenced their life? Sharing this info would be helpful to me and others and it would break the monotony of only talking about what his wife will be like which is getting pretty boring. I attend his church often. He is an inspired speaker. I know there is more to him than his up coming marriage. Can we at least expand the dialogue to include more?
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Christian
2005-11-20 22:19:27
When I say expand the dialogue, I mean about Bishop Jones. Of course, there have been interesting topics discussed here that are not about him. But, it seems the only thing we talk about when it comes to him is his future wife...ok...I'll leave it alone now...I got it off my chest and I feel better now. So, what do you think his wife will be like?
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DWCOM
2005-11-20 23:37:19
Christian, welcome!!!! If you get a chance purchase Bishop Jones message on "The Power of the Mind". It's awesome. It's an old series, but it does have so much power in it!
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Christian, formerly ++++++
2005-11-20 23:45:02
Hi DWCOM, I'm not new...it's +++++++. I decided I needed a name.
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Christian
2005-11-20 23:46:56
What is "Power of the Mind" about?
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2005-11-21 02:16:48
THIS IE NOT HIS BIBLE SYUDY THAT'S WED. NITE AT HIS CHURDH, YOU KNOW WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT SO DON'T TRY AND CHANGE WE ARE WATXHING A TESTIMONY IN THE MAKING. SO GO TO FIBLE STUDY IF YOU WANT THE WORD
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2005-11-21 06:04:13
Our thankfulness allows us to rise above our problems and to place our focus upon God. When we thank Him and rejoice in Him, we will be energized by His glory. Giving thanks is the will of God. (Col. 3:15) What can you thank Him for right now? - INTOUCH
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2005-11-21 09:01:49
FROM THE SOUND OF IT, YOU NEED ALL THE WORD YOU CAN GET BECAUSE YOU SURE CAN TELL YOU DON'T ATTEND ANYONE'S BIBLE STUDY!!! LOL!
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2005-11-21 09:16:02
Looking at all "dem" typos, they don't do no kinda study (bible, spelling or grammar)!!! LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-21 11:52:36
Have y'all change the purpose of this site to "Christian Comedy", cause y'all have given me some good laughs this morning!!! LOL LOL Christian what happened to the idea from yesterday?
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Christian
2005-11-21 14:52:45
Wisdom, you are the only one who responded favorably. Others who responded at all said they just want to talk about Bishop Jones. So I give up.
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2005-11-21 15:48:09
I am one that would be interested in knowing what the Bishop's subject matter is in Bible Study. I know person's do not want to engage in an online study. I can respect that, but the WORD is very much a part of our lives you cannot just ignore it. LOL I hope we all attend bible study somewhere and sometime. LOL
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Christian
2005-11-21 15:56:02
I attend his bible studies and would be happy to discuss his lessons with others here.
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2005-11-21 15:57:04
I would like to see the Bishop let his hair grow out. I know all of the brothers are shaving their heads because they are balding. Some are probably shaving it all off because it's graying. Pastor Leroy Thompson dyes his hair black. That's the Pastor that is famous for "Money cometh to me now". I am not making light now. LOL He is right about money is coming to me LOL. The gospel message needs to be a balanced one, but I enjoy Pastor Thompson. He is from Darrow, LA. Well, let's get back to the subject at hand.
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2005-11-21 16:00:17
That is just great Christian. LOL Now, what can we do about the Bishop's wardrobe? LOL
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2005-11-21 16:08:36
I know a lot of Pastors are having their clothers tailored. Some of them need new tailors in my opinion. I don't like seeing ministers dress like gangsters. The juke suit with the chains hanging. To me that is so outdated. Some of them wear the baggiest pants. They need a fashion makeover quickly. LOL What's with these big crosses and shirt pocket chains. Where did this style originate? Some of their wives should get more involved in selecting their wardrobe. Pastor Paula White is a very Chic dresser. I love her style. It's is very very close to mine. With the St. John Suits. She dresses her husband well. I have heard her say so.
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2005-11-21 16:16:00
Pastor Paula White is one the best dressed females in Christian TV. She is very up to date with her fashion. Now, I cannot wear those high heels any longer. Pastor Paula is wearing some that are 4-5 inches. She ministers in them. How, I shall never know. LOL
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2005-11-21 16:34:42
It's just a conversation piece. I am not concerned with his wardrobe. I was commenting on a number of Christian ministers.
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Christian
2005-11-21 16:43:46
Well, somebody is concerned about his wardrobe and hair. I reply was for that person.
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2005-11-21 16:53:35
I am sure his sister Grace would love to help him spruce up his wardrobe. She is very fashion saavy.
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Christian
2005-11-21 17:12:15
...boy, I am tired...I = my reply
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2005-11-21 17:20:54
I was just trying to have a friendly conversation with whomever. Not necessarily you Christian. I know that you are not interested in the Bishop's wardrobe. There isn't anything else to discuss right now. Unless you care to talk about the bible study lesson this past week. I am tired=I am bored maybe? LOL
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2005-11-21 17:26:39
I don't know Bishop Noel Jones so I am limited other than from hearing him preach a few times. I used to watch him on BET and on the WORD Network. I am usually at work and I don't record any programs. Not that I can't. I just don't bother to. Most of what I have learned about the Bishop has been in this room. I don't know how true these comments are.
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Christian
2005-11-21 17:27:40
You are right. I am bored. Talking about Bishop Jones', Paula White's and any other preacher's wardrobe and/or hairdo is boring. Guess that's why nobody is responding to you.
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2005-11-21 17:54:21
He just wears sweatpants and sneakers to the noon bible study? No shirt??? Man I thought he was unconventional, but WOW! he is really out there isn't he!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-21 17:55:43
Christian, what was the topic of discussion during the most recent Bible study you attended at the City of Refuge Church? Did Bishop Noel Jones teach? Perhaps you can start there rather than waiting for others to initiate dialogue that would be more interesting to you.
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2005-11-21 18:20:12
You ladies are very DEFENSIVE when it comes to the Bishop. I love fashion and I don't think it is boring at all. I enjoy staying up on the latest styles. So, I guess you all will have to comment on Bishop's WHATEVER LOL. Thanks to you to that responded in kind. I'll just check back to see what was discussed in bible study. See you later
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2005-11-21 18:24:36
My opinion ladies, but I don't want to see MY Pastor in sweats and sneakers in church. LOL
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2005-11-21 18:32:58
Pastors are human too!!! Now whats wrong with him wearing sweats and sneakers to a mid-week, mid-day bible study??? LOL Do you dress up everyday?
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wisdom
2005-11-21 18:45:56
Christian, now thats a good idea, you can share the bible study topics, or pick a topic and we all can share...Like one day it can be faith, prayer, fasting, holiness, healing, deliverance, the promises of God....the list goes on.....But, it would be good if you share some past bible study topics and notes too. And we can dialogue about that?
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Christian
2005-11-21 18:47:33
The noon bible study is casual. Many people there dress similarly to Bishop Jones.
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2005-11-21 18:57:48
The psalmist David lived his life in a constant state of praise and adoration toward God. His thankfulness to God was not just inserted in a prayer—it flowed through David’s worship, through his speech, through his actions. He wrote songs about God’s love, and he danced in celebration of what God had done in his life. Everyone around him knew to whom David was thankful. When we praise and thank God with our lips, He is magnified. God is pleased by the glory our sincere adoration brings to Him. A grateful heart prepares the way for Him to work in our lives. When others see this in us, they recognize to whom we turn as our source for life, bringing conviction or inspiration to their lives. God is not so egotistical that all He wants from us is praise; rather, God is blessed by our praises and thanksgiving. He wants to bless us, as well, for hearts that express tenderness, love, and gratefulness toward Him. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-21 19:42:14
No, I do not "dress up" everyday. I work in casual clothes. However, I am not a Pastor. It's not WRONG for him to do it. He Pastors the church. I simply said my Pastor doesn't dress that way for bible study. I personally don't wear sneakers because they are not my style of shoe.
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Christian
2005-11-21 20:10:58
Wisdom, I will follow your suggestion and start posting the subject matter of Bishops Jones' bible study starting this wednesday. I hope others that attend and who visit this room will also offer their comments.
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2005-11-21 20:20:17
I welcome the bible study subject matter as well. I shall look forward to the dialogue. I promise not to discuss fashion anymore. LOL
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2005-11-22 05:48:15
In teaching us how to pray, Jesus included some important elements—among them were praising and thanking God. Yet how often do we really express a heart of thanksgiving toward the Lord for what He has done in our lives? If we express a heart of thanksgiving, what is it that motivates us to do so? Do we thank Him simply because we love Him, or do we remember to thank Him for who He is only after we get what we want? - INTOUCH
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2005-11-22 06:19:36
We must thank and praise Him daily, with a heart of love and thanksgiving for who He is and because He loves us. Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. (Psalm 68:19)
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2005-11-22 09:56:50
Godly counsel is based on the principles of God’s Word and includes prayer and action based on Scripture. When counsel is based on God’s Word, it will place your focus and dependence on Him. Ungodly counsel can bring consequences such as making wrong decisions, bringing harm to yourself and those you love, and dividing your family. Be careful who you listen to. "He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm" (Proverbs 13:20). Wise counsel will help strengthen and encourage you. The alternative is undesirable. - INTOUCH
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DWCOM
2005-11-22 09:57:03
I would like to wish everyone a WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY!!!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-22 11:53:30
Thank you DWCOM, the same to you and everyone else!! Even though I know "everyday" is a day of Thanksgiving for the people of God. Happy Thanksgiving To All!!!! May the Blessings of God be Upon You.....
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2005-11-22 12:18:19
Thank you all for the Thanksgiving Greetings. May your Holiday be blessed and remember in all things give thanks for this is the will of God.
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stephanie
2005-11-22 18:43:06
To Christian: Hello Christian get the series Haven't you had enough, and living single successfully which he talks about alot. Both of those teaching were life changing for me. Have a blessed, happy and safe holiday.
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Christian
2005-11-22 19:09:50
TO: Stepanie, Wisdom, Minister's Wife, DWCOM, Mr. LA, Mother Shepard and all others who visit here, have a SAFE and BLESSED Thanksgiving. I intend to eat all I can and suffer the consequences! Stephanie I will get the series you recommended. I'll let you know what I think. I'll check in tomorrow with my bible study report.
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wisdom
2005-11-22 22:11:24
I wonder why those statistics??? only 20%??? sounds like another interesting topic one day, after the holiday! LOL
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LIVING
2005-11-23 08:08:39
Christian men and women , dating sometimes means having to break up the routine a little,agive it a try be open to bending, We need to learn how to enjoy life. Dating is give and take , Dating is talking and listening, Ask God for help!!!! As I read these Postings. The problem is ladies ,you need to understand your Power! You're making it too easy for The Bishop ,here's a man forget marriage, that has not beenlinked romantically or dated anyone in ten years .. having read the as posting I began to ask ????,,,Now either He feels no one is Good enough for him {and the way these postings are going I can see why]. I understand at one event his date was NNatalie Cole so it's not Reputation that concerns him maybe it's Status she must have a higher standard than the women in his Church,therefore yo ladies shoul either leave him a lone or start trying to position yourself or elevate your self so that he feels that you can fit in with his lifestyle and he could comfortable showing you off. There is more to life than going to Church and it's all related to kingdom building, but he must you ladies only see him in oe light .. can you handle his other lights, can you be of help to him there, would you fit in??? When you answer honestly NO!!!! Maybe you will start to see him as The annoited Man of God that he is rather than your future Husband.. His wife must be able to be interchangeable, Being his wife covers a lot of territories she has to be diverse , and I'm sure he has considered these things..DO you wear a white dress to your knees and a handkerchief on your head when he takes you out ???? when you answer Yes .then you can see why he's still single. But God has A mate for Him and when he meets her he will know and then this site can become one of BIBLE STUDY ,because there will be nothing else to talk about
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2005-11-23 08:59:08
Get out of here.....Natalie Cole???? My, my, my!!! LOL! LOL!
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2005-11-23 10:49:10
Looking for status?? If this is true, he is in trouble and needs much prayer then! LOL!
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2005-11-23 11:06:32
Well at least Natalie is tall like him!!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 11:07:32
I don't know if they would have much else in common!!! LOL
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Mr. LA
2005-11-23 12:00:06
ALL I Know child , is Natalie has 'SHONUFF" been thru some stuff !!!!.she says shes Born Again and I ain't questonng her it's my soul that I'm working on and thats what all of us should be doing instead of gossip. I don't Think The Bishop is looking for status per se but I know he has some entertainment members so that'S last thing he needs is some 'GHETTO RAT 'LOL going .gaga gaga WOW!while he is trying to save souls,,or out at an Event.. she or someone like that would have an eye and ear he may not have ,now don't write me and tell me he has Grace his sister..,Grace is gone and got her's and left y'all alone in the U'S A.... lol Now who said that The Bishop's date go go dressed like they are on the Mother's Board ...Ya'll need to stop !!! Bishop is Sharp and Yall need to know his wife will be fashionable as well he says he's not flashy but he is ,in a good way and she will be too !! ALL I need to Know is. God made the Bishop and he God knows what he needs,, ya'll need to get off this site and' Go peel some potatoes or sumpthin for yo mama nem,, LOLOL !! GET BEBE SOME KOOL-AID READY FOR TOMORROW LOLo. DO SUMPHIN HAPPY THANKSGIVING HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!! Count me in for Bible study ..TALK TO Y'ALL ON SATURDAY
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2005-11-23 12:13:46
I guess she's into Bishops and or preachers. LOL! LOL! Her first husband was a minister and she divorced Bishop Kenneth Dupree in Tennessee last year. Three marriages!
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minister\'s wife
2005-11-23 13:15:57
I read that -a posting SAID that he took Natalie Cole to an affair with him ,NOW all the Postings have them dating My'Babies ,she could just be a friend, what everyone needs to do here is not jump to conclusions and Spread RUMORS'. they can hurt people. One of the things That The Bishop needs most is WOMEN HE CAN TRUST.. one who can be honest and one who can hold on to information that she is entrusted with, He won't be afraid if she right, Now doesn't mean Satan is not going to try and convince him otherwise,But The Bishop has dealt with Satan before ,so I know that EVERYTHING will be allright !!!! I don't think there is any reason why he hasn't married other than The Right hasn't shown up and when she does he will marry .that is God's desire for his life that 's why his lack of a mate is such a source of chatter,God wants the Glory.. and so it is... LOOK WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ME NOW !!!! He's an AWESOME GOD . Happy Thanksgiving !!! Be back in a few Days .
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2005-11-23 14:00:00
Bishop Jones and Natalie Cole have been JUST FRIENDS for years. Stop spreading rumors!
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2005-11-23 14:46:34
WHO IS Pastor Joe Robinson dating????
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2005-11-23 15:33:09
Why, are you interested???
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2005-11-23 16:03:16
If the Bishop thinks that he is too good for my african american sisters, then he needs a head check. People shouldn't date for status alone. What about all the other qualities a person may possess and they are looked over because they lack social status and finances. If the Bishop is like this in any regard, I would not care to date him at all!! Quite frankly, I wouldn't give him any of my time if I knew this to be true. Neither, would I listen to him preach anymore. I am a hard working african american queen and I want a man that values me for who I am, not for what I have attained in life or not attained. Sounds to me life a person full of SELF. I'm not impressed with Pastor Joseph Robinson either. I remember watching him on the Word Network a few years ago.
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2005-11-23 16:10:56
Mr. LA: I'm just a little tired of you referring to my sisters as ghetto rats. It takes one to know one.
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2005-11-23 16:31:02
What the Bishop needs is to subject SELF. He needs to start looking at christian women as God's daughters. Any God fearing respectable woman is good enough for him. What I would like to know is why is everyone putting him on a pedestal? He doesn't belong there at all. I said it earlier and I shall say it again, the Lord doesn't want any celebrity preachers. No man of God should be admitting to being devious. Sounds like he needs to be more humble.
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2005-11-23 16:36:00
Yep, I agree with the post of DWCOM, instead of looking for the right person, sometime we need to try to BE the right person!!
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2005-11-23 16:43:09
The reason these celebrity preachers are begging the saints for money at these conferences is because they are paying for their lavish lifstyles. From what I hear Bishop Jones when he stays in Dallas, TX, he stays in a $2000. a night room. Bishop T. D. Jakes puts him up in style at the expense of the people of God. These ministers are then picked up in limousines and eat at the expensive restaurants and the saints foot the bill most of the time. Now do you understand why they BEG? Why do most of the ministers on the field feel they should be catered to? All of them now need airplanes. Whose footing the bill for the cost of fuel and pilots? The saints that is right. They go home fat and the saints are living small.
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2005-11-23 16:50:24
You don't know ME personally so you cannot say what I WANT!! The Bishop doesn't belong on a pedestal. The Bishop uses the bathroom just like anybody else!!
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2005-11-23 16:53:38
But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, Matthew 20:027-28 Maybe they haven't read this scripture??
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2005-11-23 16:57:09
You and the homeless man both go to the bathroom too? Go get him!!! Let him sat at the table with your family tommorrow! LOL
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2005-11-23 17:01:51
The Bishop uses the bathroom just like anybody else??? Boy, he is really "down to earth" huh? LOL I wonder if security goes with him!! LOL
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2005-11-23 17:02:42
The poor are welcome at my table. Are they welcome at yours? Obviously not!!
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2005-11-23 17:06:45
Quite frankly, my personal opinion is that Bishop Noel Jones is full of himself. Now you can tell me to leave the Bishop alone. To that I say, I am not bothering the Bishop. This is MY personal observation.
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2005-11-23 17:07:51
This conversation started out about wanting our mates to be of a certain status? Not, if they are welcomed at our tables! I'm sure the Bishop and all of us would let some poor homeless woman/man eat at our table, but we ain't trying to join our lives with theirs!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 17:10:35
What has he done or said, that makes you think he is full of himself?
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2005-11-23 17:10:53
I just might be visiting you at the homeless shelter one day unawares. Be careful you don't end up in the soup line yourself.
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2005-11-23 17:15:45
I have HEARD him talk and I have watched him on more than one occasion. I am a very good judge of character. Don't get me wrong. He is a generous person. He comes across as personable, but he is stuck on himself. You call it spoiled, I call it full of himself.
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2005-11-23 17:20:02
What keeps him so busy that he has to have a personal DRIVER?
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2005-11-23 17:23:16
T.D.JAKES IS EXTRAVAGANT HIMSELF HAS HIS OWN PLANE FAT UGlY PIMP!!!!There's a lot of dirt out there on him too ... serita needs to slap his face BISHOPJONES IS ARROGANT AND THINKS HE'S TOO GOOD FOR ANYBODY.. HE DOESN'T DATE HE HAS PEOPLE CHECK OUT PEOPLE FOR HIM FROM AFAR AND DECIDES IF THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH... SO HE WILL NEVER MARRY BUT IT'S HIM WITH THE PROBLEM, HE DOESN'T ANT TO BE SEEN WITH ANYONE ,HOW !!!!!PATHETIC ,WHEREVER HE GOES Thanksgiving HE WILL BE ALONE.. GET A LIFE NO ONE COMES OUT TO ENTERTAQIN HIM ALL NIGHT BECAUSE HE'S ALONE ./. YOU AIN'T ALL THAT
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2005-11-23 17:23:48
It is up to me what I care to discuss. I don't need your approval.
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2005-11-23 17:24:26
I got family and friends that drive me around too! and I'm just a regular person!! I don't always feel like the traffic! LOL
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2005-11-23 17:28:35
When I show up, the God given personality comes with the package. I would be glad to give you a chocolate chip cookie. Only ONE!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 17:32:03
Stop making excuses for Bishop.
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2005-11-23 17:33:02
Thank you! At least you will give me one cookie, can the Bishop have one too? LOL LOL Even though he is "full of himself", I'll bet he likes cookies too! LOL
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2005-11-23 17:35:19
Bishop Noel Jones is a regular person too!!
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2005-11-23 17:36:22
And you know how when Samuel's mother was blessed with him, and after she gave birth, she gave him back to the Lord, well thats how you need to do that "God given" personality! You need to give that back to HIM!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 17:41:14
No I shall not be giving the Bishop any cookies. My personal opinion is that he needs to drive his own car, get his own water in church, carry his own bible to the pulpit and not be catered to.
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2005-11-23 17:47:13
Now why can't the "man of God" be catered to??? He has other important stuff on his mind. He can't be worried about traffic, getting water for himself. That would be too much pressure on him!! LOL
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2005-11-23 17:49:32
Besides, while someone is driving him around in traffic, he can be thinking up more ways to be "devious"! LOL Lets let him make good use of his time!! LOL
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2005-11-23 18:09:27
Oh I see Single Sista is back!!!! BEWARE!!! Its Thanksgiving, Halloween has past, so you can go back in Single Sista!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 18:19:30
Who is single sista?
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2005-11-23 18:26:49
Go back and read, you'll see!!LOL
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2005-11-23 18:26:53
This room just happens to be discussing one Bishop in particular. I am just commenting. I have nothing bad to say about the man of God. I just think he is stuck on himself. I have never had a personal encounter with him. God's true servants are not PIMPS.
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2005-11-23 18:30:09
So, he doesn't date african american women? How do you know? What makes you think he feels like he's too good. He's not attractive at all. He is tall, dark and not handsome. Skinny, no muscles.
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2005-11-23 18:30:57
I am sure you have already done that.
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2005-11-23 18:36:57
If he is stuck on himself, it's because of all the groupies that help inflate his ego and running after power. He is really not all of that.
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2005-11-23 18:37:00
Now you know He is attractive and all that!!! or you wouldn't be on this website!!! LOL Why aren't you on a page that discusses Bishop Jakes???
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2005-11-23 18:38:09
I would hope that Bishop Jones does not have persons out spying on people for him. LOL I don't believe he would stoop to that level. He has a dicerning eye that is God given. So do I. I don't READ people. I dicern by the Spirit of God. It is a gift God has given to me. I don't know if the Bishop dates or not. Persons in this room say that he said he doesn't date. Go back and read. LOL
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2005-11-23 18:41:11
Because this is a never ending saga that will entertain the hell out of anyone! LOL! LOL!
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2005-11-23 18:45:24
If he could pick up his own bible and water, maybe he would have some muscles! LOL He doesn't drive either??? He's not using his muscles!! LOL Poor thing!!! They won't let him use them so they can grow!!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-23 18:47:00
Bishop Bones!!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 18:47:41
He is not ugly by any means. Is there a page that is discussing Bishop Jakes other than here? If so, I haven't found it as of yet. When or if you do, say so. I am not impressed with FLESH. Don't let your imaginations run wild when you read these posts. Come back down to earth. LOL This is the only web page that I have found where persons are actually having live discussions about church folk.
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2005-11-23 18:49:08
So you're saying he's bony, phony and full of bologna!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 18:51:28
You ain't never lied. This is very entertaining. LOL
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2005-11-23 18:55:18
Yep, better than the soaps!!! LOL and reality TV!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 18:55:33
Now that is no way to refer to the Bishop. No he is not a phony. I can't tell if he is skinny because he wears baggy pants. LOL
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2005-11-23 19:01:21
Well she said he was skinny, on some type of ego trip, full of himself and doesn't need to be catered to! So I just summed it all up for her in one catchy phrase!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 19:04:33
Sure I'll be there, I boarding the plane now, I should be there around 11:00 p.m is that too late!! LOL
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2005-11-23 19:14:49
T;D;JAKES IS THE BIG FAT UGJY PIMP!!! trying to pick up on women,, poor serita well maybe lucky serita 1 not bishop jones....he's appealing but he looses most of Lot of it because he's stuck on himself now that EDDIE LONG is stuck on him self spray that black dye over his bald spots in those zoot suits llooking like a penguinnow he is one ugly man,,and he thinks he's buff LOl LOL Paul S Morton Senior is sneaky Cleflo a DOLLAR ACTS AND LOOKS LIKE A MACK!!! BISHOP BLAKE CAN'T TALK AND he always disrecpects his wife ,talking about how fantastic Judie Mc Allister is. what's up with that.? Let's just face it the Churches are in trouble and it starts in the pulpit ,, stop giving them money and watch their lifestyle change. The same thing with PAUL AND JAN CROUCH WHAT HAPPENNEED TO HIS BLACK BOYFRIEND , THEY SWEPT THAT UNDER THE RUG.. STOP SENDING YOUR MONEY TO THEM,AND THEN WHO CARES WHAT THEY DO .. THEY WILL ALL GO TO HELL !!!!! good for them
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2005-11-23 19:16:50
God gives persons unique personalities that are tied to His purpose for you. You cannot be a WIMP and work in God's vineyard. You need some BACKBONE!! A lot of preachers are lacking just that. They cater to the people more than the Lord. They are more concerned with the pew so to speak. Read the story of Samuel when you find time. Samuel was something to be reckoned with. When he told Saul to slay all the Amalakites and not to spare the king, Saul kept the king alive. What did Samuel the great old testament prophet with a God given personality do? He picked up a sword and cut the king in pieces. Read it for yourself, that's some kind of personality isn't it? The king's name was Agag (I Samuel 15: 33)
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2005-11-23 19:23:00
Please continue to send money to Paul and Jan!!! She needs to get her hair done!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 19:24:11
I agree that the churches are in trouble. With all the emphasis on MONEY istead of SOULS.
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2005-11-23 19:26:32
That's why I love Bishop Gilbert Earl.........., the best Bishop in the WORLD!!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 19:34:17
Bishop Patterson is a humble servant of the Lord. I enjoy watching him on TV. I had the opportunity to hear him once in person. The church I attended that night was packed!!! I hope he is feeling well. I understand he has prostate cancer.
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2005-11-23 19:38:12
Yes, but God is still in the Healing business!
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2005-11-23 19:41:07
I think more preachers should follow his example...He stays out of the lime light! He is not into GLAMOUR at all!!! Real humble and simple!!!
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2005-11-23 20:07:13
Pastor Joe Robinson shouldn't be dating anyone. It takes time to recuperate after a divorce.
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2005-11-23 20:19:49
Now, I don't believe that one!! Bishop Patterson does not have his own plane!!! Now COGIC, the organization, has a plane for the presiding Bishop! Get the facts straight!!!!
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2005-11-23 20:21:57
Are there any preachers YOU like??? LOL
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Christian
2005-11-23 20:22:36
I wasn't able to attend Bishop Jones' noon bible study today due to handling last minute holiday details. Did anyone in the room attend? What did he talk about? Whoever wrote "Bishop Bones" that's funny...LOL...Although I have been told that he is "cut" which I think means very muscular.
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2005-11-23 20:27:45
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour. Now, I personally believe whatever Bishop Patterson has, he deserves!!! He don't preach nothing but what thus said the Lord!!! For many years now!!!! He ain't got his own philosophical theories, mind games and gibba jabba!!! LOL At least I haven't heard it!!! LOL
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Christian
2005-11-23 20:28:19
Whatever Pastor Joe Robinson is being paid, he is worth every cent!
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2005-11-23 20:28:20
I like the ministers I have mentioned. I just disagree with some of the things they are invoved with. I don't dislike any of God's servants, even the greedy ones LOL. I love them just the same, but I don't have to agree with them. I enjoy hearing a lot of various speakers. Some that are of "celebrity status if you will" and some that are not stuck on SELF and not well known, but humble. Humble is the way.
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2005-11-23 20:32:35
Well I think Bishop Patterson is very humble, he can't help if the plane was one of the "fringe benefits" of the job!! LOL I take advantage of whatever my job offers me too!!! LOL
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2005-11-23 20:36:35
And for the record, I have security, and I am just a regular person!!! I have security!!!On the house, the car, the truck!!!!LOL in this day and time we all need SECURITY!!! lol and I pray and plead the Blood of Jesus too!!! Now if that ain't SECURITY.....!!!lol
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2005-11-23 20:43:19
I am sure that Bishop Jones feels that Pastor Robinson is invaluable to him. I know he brings with him a working knowledge of business possibly. I don't know what his course of studies were at Morehouse so I can't speak to that. It's going to take a WHOLE LOT MORE than academia to take the church in the direction that God wants it to go in. It's not by might, nor by power, but by the Spirit of the Lord!!! You can have all the book knowledge, and not understand the direction of God. I hope he is up to the task. Time will TELL LOL.
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2005-11-23 20:49:18
"his flunkies just wow!!at how he treats women"?? What do you mean?? He treats them too good, or too bad??
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2005-11-23 20:52:25
Pastor Robinson comes from an AME backgroud. Pastor Jones is Apostolic Pentecostal (Oneness Doctrine). If Pastor Robinson still adheres to his AME doctrine, they are not in agreement. Now, I don't know that he has not converted to the Apostolic Pentecostal Doctrine as taught by the Apostles. If not, how can two walk together, accept they agree? A house divided against itself CANNOT STAND!! That's not my personal opinion, that's Bible.
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Christian
2005-11-23 20:58:11
Which doctrine is correct? AME or Apostolic Pentecostal? If they don't agree then one must be wrong, right?
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2005-11-23 20:58:11
flunkies????????? Could you be more clear with your post? Who has flunkies?
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2005-11-23 20:58:31
"they watch the tapes of the services and when the camera is on someone he likes he aske them to find out about her and she never knows whaqt going on they may just come up and start talking to a women like they are interested and keep his name out of it,if she does not meet his standards he just keeps looking." Please tell me he is not this shallow! LOL LOL
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2005-11-23 21:02:26
no, I was asking about another post, when someone said Bishop Jones flunkies just wow!!at how he treats women???
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2005-11-23 21:04:00
There is only ONE Lord, ONE faith, and ONE baptism. Yes, somebody is WRONG according to the scriptures. Are you telling me and others that Bishop Jones actually has persons spied on? I can believe this to a certain extent.
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2005-11-23 21:06:32
Apostolic Pentecostal??? is that the one where the sisters were required to wear the head coverings???
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Christian
2005-11-23 21:08:50
Since both Pastor Joe and Bishop Jones believe in Jesus Christ, doesn't that mean they are in agreement? I have listened to both teach and have not heard any contradictions between them. They are on one accord.
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2005-11-23 21:09:05
Oh, I hope he treats my sisters with dignity. He shouldn't have any flunkies LOL. Who wants to be deemed Bishop Jones' flunkie. I don't think so!!
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2005-11-23 21:25:46
Some of them are required by their pastors. I am AP and I don't wear one and my pastor doesn't require it.
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2005-11-23 21:41:27
If in fact you are a member of the City of Refuge and have been with the Bishop for quite some time you would be able to distinguish the truth. I don't percieve in my spirit that he is an apostolic pentecostal believer. I could be wrong. I hope that I am. I just have this knawing feeling.
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2005-11-23 22:18:09
Thank you to whomever got the facts straight about the plane that supposedly belong to Bishop Patterson. I do not have a problem with an organization having a plane whatsoever. I think that is in order. If he being the Presiding Bishop wants to get somewhere to take care of matters for the organization or for himself, I have no problems with that. Every super star preacher doesn't need his own plane. Now can you understand why they want $50,000, $30,000 up front to come? Well,if I were a pastor, they wouldn't be coming!!!
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2005-11-23 23:04:07
For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody. (Isaiah 51:3) We all have so much to be thankful for. Let us give thanks to God daily for who is, and "Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you.” (Job 22:21)
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Christian
2005-11-23 23:30:12
Why bother to post if you are not going to identify yourself? You end up just talking to yourself because no one knows who you are...it's too impersonal. At least use a symbol (for ex: &&& or *** or ###) It makes it easier to have discussions if we can address one another. You may as well get a page on BlackPlanet or a similar site and just post your thoughts there. Do you want to have a dialogue or just hear yourself talk?
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2005-11-24 00:05:47
The control of others or this site is not in your hands. Persons posting to this site are at liberty to use a screen name or not. With this in mind, Christian, the truth is there have been many interesting dialogues among those that choose to use screen names and those that do not. Of course, anyone that has the ability to read and comprehend can have dialogue with others. By the way, I have taken the time to read ALL of your posts, including the ones you posted while using ####### as a screen name. It's not about trying to fit in by using a screen name, but rather the content what is posted. God knows who we are and the conditions of our hearts, minds and spirits.
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2005-11-24 00:24:11
Every word that I write honey you are reading. Get real. Do you put blinders on when you get to my post? I don't need any feedback. When I feel like talking, I shall talk. If you don't care to listen that is entirely up to you.
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2005-11-24 00:51:29
We did not initiate judging others concerning the use of screen names, nor are we provoking an argument, but rather stating the truth. The bottom-line is plain and simple, the use of a screen name is a matter of choice and no one can or should try and police this site. To avoid confrontations, we must use common sense and know that no one is obligated to participate in every dialogue nor respond to every post.
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2005-11-24 01:03:06
When they watch tapes of the services it is probably the edited verison for the BET broadcast. Is it just women he's asking about or men also? Sometimes the Bishop may hear of someone working in the church faithfully and maybe there is another position to fill. Asking one of his aides to find out about the person isn't shallow. What he is asking is the person more interested in God or me? What types of things is he asking your girlfirend's husband or others to find out? Bishop doesn't need to seek or take advise from Deacon Edwards he's just being kind to the man by listening to him. It's going in one ear and out of the other. Your girlfriend didn't understand somethings. I'm quite sure Pastor Joe Robinson isn't going to preach anything that is going to conflict what the Bishop has been teaching or is teaching. AME and AP are man made denominations. The Word of God goes a lot further than denominations. This is what the Bishop is showing that it isn't about a denomination.
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2005-11-24 01:18:14
I am sorry, but the Apostolic Pentecostal Doctrine is not denomination. Break it down: the word Apostolic is derived from the apostles doctrine, Pentecostal is not denomination, but makes reference to the new birth or the pouring out of the Spirit of God on the day of pentecost. Read your Bible and there is no way you can come to that conclusion. NO WAY!!!
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2005-11-24 01:25:32
I will tell you this without hesitation you are definitely TRINITARIAN or else you would have NEVER made that foolish mistake!! Don't just read the bible, read the bible. No where in scripture will you find one reference to anyone that was baptised in any other name than that of the name of Jesus. No where in scripture will you find anyone baptised in the NAME of the father, and of the NAME of the son, and the NAME of the Holy Ghost. Give me one scripture?
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2005-11-24 01:31:11
I am not about to argue scripture. That is the end of my discussion on my personal stand as an Apostolic Pentecostal believer.
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2005-11-24 01:38:49
Bishop Noel Jones is an Apostolic Pentecostal believer.
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2005-11-24 01:52:18
There were two different people addressing you Christian. Not one person as you thought. Go back and read. It is very clear it is not one person responding to you. We are just telling you the truth about yourself and you don't like it.
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wisdom
2005-11-24 05:43:25
Interesting dialogue on last evening. Sorry I missed it, I need a PC in the kitchen!! LOL........Christian, be encouraged, we gotta love the "special needs" people too! I agree, it does make it more simple to use a name or symbol to address each person, but nevertheless the dialogue is still very interesting. I'm noticing that people tend to be "more open" when they don't use names or symbols!!! LOL Maybe there is some hidden "psychological" reason behind that!!! LOL
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2005-11-24 06:03:53
whO.. is the sissy that twiting onto the podium on Sundays bringing the Bishop's water amd Bible IF PASTOR'S WOULD ST AY AT THEIR OWN CHURCH AND FEED THEIR OWN SHEEP,THEY WOULD NOT NEED PLANES TO FLY TO EACH OTHERS CHURCH. BISHOP JONES HAS JUST ATARTED ASKING FOR MONEY ,AND HE DOESN'T NOT DO IT OFTEN BUT THERE WAS A TIE HE NEVER DID, AND I HOPE HE STOPS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HIS LOVING CARING STYLE. THE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE IT AND STRUGGLE TO GIVE BECAUSE HE SAYYS WE NEED ,TOO MUCH PRESSURE. ' AND THAT'S ALL 5T.D.JAKES DOES IS 'SHOW ME THE MONEY; WE JUST HAVE TO STOP FLYING TO THOSE SEMINARS LUNCHEONS AND SERVICES WHERE YOU HAVE TO PAY.. AND THEN THEIR LAVISH LIFESTYLES WILL STOP
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2005-11-24 06:52:47
Of course you don't argue scripture because you never mentioned one. I SAID THAT AME, CME, PAW, COGIC, BAPTIST, FULL GOSPEL and CHARISMATICS, ETC. are MAN MADE DENOMINATIONS (ORGANIZED RELIGION) with each believing that they have the MONOPOLY on the Word of God and CRITIZING each other for not BELIEVING AS THEY DO. They calls each other MISGUIDED OR IGNORANT for not believing as they do. Yes, Bishop Jones is part of the PAW a denomination (organized religion)that has been so rigid that it has only in recent years just begun to tear down some it's old walls.
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wisdom
2005-11-24 06:58:37
And to the person that said........ "No where in scripture will you find anyone baptised in the NAME of the father, and of the NAME of the son, and the NAME of the Holy Ghost. Give YOU one scripture?"......Matthew 28:18-19 says.....And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matthew 28:17-19.......Read the book, boo!!!
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2005-11-24 07:04:17
Of course you don't argue scripture because you never mentioned one. I SAID THAT AME, CME, PAW, COGIC, BAPTIST, FULL GOSPEL and CHARISMATICS, ETC. are MAN MADE DENOMINATIONS (ORGANIZED RELIGION) with each believing that they have the MONOPOLY on the Word of God and CRITIZING each other for not BELIEVING AS THEY DO. They call each other MISGUIDED OR IGNORANT for not believing as they do. Yes, Bishop Jones is part of the PAW (ONENESS) a denomination (organized religion)that has been so rigid that it has only in recent years just begun to tear down some it's old walls. I left organized religion a few years ago because each organization desires to build up their own church or denomination and not God and it's so obvious what's going on just read what's being discussed on this website.
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2005-11-24 11:18:26
Stop making EXCUSES for greedy men of God!! Stop making EXCUSES for them to be full of self. Today is a day of thanksgiving and I am sure we all thank God for our Pastors, but I am not going to put them on a pedestal while Jesus takes a back seat in His own house. Christian and Wisdom you got some growing up to do. Talk about your own organized religion you belong to. Are you non denominational? That's the safe in crowd to be in today. Nobody wants to be identified because we don't ever want to offend anybody. I know very well what organization Bishop Jones belongs to Ministers Wife. Are you saying that Bishop Jones is RIGID in what he believes or is what he believes he is persuaded of and so I am. Thank you and I am not a coward!!
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2005-11-24 11:27:40
I said it once and I will say it again. These Pastors who are full of self need to drive themselves around, carry their own bags, get their own water, and stop having every detail of their life worked out by others. I am blessed in that my Pastor is not full of himself, but did in service about three weeks that the Lord doesn't want any celebrity preachers. Was my Pastor wrong in what he said? NO!! You pay for their jet fuel and all the perks; I am not. I don't mind helping anyone with any need if they are humble.
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2005-11-24 11:37:58
Since when did the Lord EVER charge anyone to come and hear the WORD? Find one place in scripture where He asked for $150.00 to come to a conference! Find one place where he charged anyone to receive the WORD. It's not there! It has all ways been free will offerings with no $$$ attached. It's always been give and ye shall receive and no $$$ attached. This my friend is MAN MADE. This is organized religion at it's best. Some of this reaks of organized crime if you will.
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2005-11-24 11:42:32
After ten years or more every woman in the house should be loosed and every man should be empowered. Have a blessed Thanksgiving Day.
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wisdom
2005-11-24 12:06:52
Okay, to the person (UNKNOWN SOLDIER) that said Wisdom "got some growing up to do", because I made mention of using names or symbols on this site. Okay true dat!!! LOL.....I will admit I am still in the growth process, and will probably be there until my departure from this Earth!!!! LOL.....I'll be sure to eat some extra turnip greens today, so I can grow and be stronger!!! LOL As you can see from my past dialogue, wise comments don't make me bitter, but better!!! LOL..... They don't make me suffer but tougher!!!!LOL So keep your drama, sugar mama!!!LOL.....and from here on out, can we please have the pleasure of referring to you as the "UNKNOWN SOLDIER"??? since you don't like names or symbols!!! LOL......Love you BOO!!! HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!! Don't eat to much, SOUND LIKE YOU ALREADY FULL!!!!!! LOL
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2005-11-24 12:57:38
There are several persons commenting in response to the negative statements made to those that choose not to use screen names. Let’s park here for a minute. Every comment that is written by someone without the use of a screen name is not vicious, unfriendly, unkind, unintelligent and the like. PLEASE READ ALL POSTINGS. And to refer to them as,” special needs people” is unnecessary. On the flipside, every post that is written with the use of a screen name is not THE GOSPEL. While I do not and cannot agree with everything stated on this site, all dialogue is done anonymously. So, let’s not speak in error and falsely accuse other persons of being cowards. God knows who the gossipers, slanderers and backbiters truly are. And although, I do not choose to use a screen name, I am not guilty of any of this. There are many reasons why I do not use a screen name. One of the main reasons is that cliques can sometimes evolve and become negative forces and not really help anyone. It happens in some of our local churches where members decide who is or is not accepted into these little cliques, and if someone in a particular clique says, “I do not like this Brother or that Sister”, he or she is disliked by all. Yes, this is a hard pill to swallow, and to think that some of you are trying to do the same things on a website that has a public and open domain accessible worldwide speaks volumes of small mindedness and need to control. ONE OF THE THINGS WE MUST THANK GOD FOR ON TODAY IS FREEDOM IN JESUS CHRIST!!
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wisdom
2005-11-24 13:16:44
If you "need" to remain anonymous, isn't that a SPECIAL NEED??? However, I addressed MY comments to the individual that said myself and Christian "had some growing up to do" because we mentioned using names and/or symbols. Now see, if we ALL used names or symbols, I could have addressed that "specific" individual, and left the "innocent bystanders out!LOL.......Names or symbols just makes it easier for each of us to respond to someone elses dialogue!!!....."wisdom" is not my real name!!!! Don't none of us, know none of us!!! LOL......So whats the big deal about using names and symbols??? I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I LOVE EVERYBODY!!! LOL
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2005-11-24 14:09:31
I am the one that said you need to grow up because of sounding like a seasoned daughter in the Lord, you come across as a tiny bopper gang banger. Check out the use of your grammar and draw your own conclusion...boo. LOL
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2005-11-24 14:14:54
No, if we want to remain without a screen name it's because we choose not to. Grow up!!
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2005-11-24 14:19:59
You are full too, it's not from any Thanksgiving dinner. It's called a healthy dose of FLESH or carnality if you will.
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2005-11-24 14:27:24
Wisdom you know who I am and you don't need a name to address me. Speak now or for ever hold your peace. LOL If you just got to have a name for me, call me tell like it is.
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2005-11-24 14:49:09
Sounds like somebody else is full of self or carnality if you will. LOL The truth has a way of making one angry. Oh well...
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2005-11-24 14:55:03
I think there are some in the room who are having a hissy fit. LOL You will get over it. Parting of getting over IT is to accept the truth and move on down the road....LOL
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2005-11-24 14:59:13
I would rather be an Eagle than a turkey any day.
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2005-11-24 15:07:37
Learn something from the eagle my friend. The eagle has the ability to fly above the storm. The eagle has a keen eye and travels alone. Turkies flock together and they are flightless birds. They squabble a lot and stir up mess. The eagle is no coward. Have a blessed day and forgive me for stepping on your toes. Come up higher.......
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wisdom
2005-11-24 20:07:01
To the UNKNOWN SOLDIER.........I AM a seasoned daughter in the Lord!!! And to some I may at times come across as a tiny bopper gang banger and probably some other things LOL......Thats okay.......I'm versatile BOO!!! That just comes from me being REAL, well traveled, multifaceted and well adjusted!!!.....If you have a problem with the use of my grammar, and slang and have drawn your conclusions, then oh well!!! LOL.....I will continue to be myself, express my thoughts, ideas, and keep MY sense of humor.....and most of all, I will REMAIN FREE AND SECURE!!!!! some may be offended, some may be blessed!!!!........THE LORD DELIVERED ME, WHY SHOULD I BE BOUND!!!!! BY ANYTHING OR ANYONE!!!!!!LOVE YOU BOO!!!! AKA SUGAR MAMA!!!!!LOL MAY THE BLESSINGS OF THE LORD BE UPON YOU, I BLESS YOU IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!!!!
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Stephanie
2005-11-24 20:40:41
Hello, wisdom long time Ms Lady, I see you're still popping. Luv ya Happy thanksgiving, I gain about 20lbs. today on my own cooking, now it's diet time. Ya right! bless you
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wisdom
2005-11-24 20:52:42
Hi Stephanie, Happy Thanksgiving to you too!...I've stuffed myself today also!!! LOL My cooking, and everybody elses!!!....I'll start think about a diet around the new year!!! You know get Christmas out of the way!!!LOL Luv Ya back!!!
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2005-11-24 21:05:18
What about Clarence MC Clendon and him fathering children in his Church,rolls Royce and lie in the wealthiest area in los angeles.Dating Black whitle marrying white.Is it true now he preaches out of a tent, Is God whipping his butt?//
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2005-11-24 21:46:42
Bishop Clarence McClendon is reaping what he has sown. He is one of the preacher who demands a contract before he comes to minister. I know this for a fact because he made the demand of my Pastor. My Pastor although he disagrees to contracts, Bishop McClendon did come, but was not anointed this night. I was there. He is a fine man of God, but misguided in some areas. Yes, God does whip His children. LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-24 21:48:18
Isn't it wonderful to know we are "ACCEPTED" in the "beloved"!! Ephesians 1:6.......and our heavenly Father has told us, we can come BOLDLY unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in the time of need.....Hebrews 4:16 These are TRULY some things to be THANKFUL for this day!!!!
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2005-11-24 22:01:58
I don't know whether Bishop McClendon has fathered any children in his church. If I did, I would not repeat it, but I would pray for him. Personally, I don't believe that about him.
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2005-11-25 01:35:49
Isn't he one of Bishop Jones' running buddies?
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2005-11-25 06:03:10
Peace with God, leads to peace with self, and peace with self leads to peace with others. We must allow God to lead us in peace daily!
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2005-11-25 07:26:03
All of us would like to be remembered as people who left a lasting imprint for good on the lives of others. The problem is that we tend to be so self-centered that we often fail to deeply impact even our closest neighbors. How well we succeed in affecting others is usually determined by our character. And ultimately, it is our spiritual impact that our heavenly Father is concerned about. To illustrate how effective we should be in influencing others, Jesus used salt as an example of something that greatly alters anything it touches. (Matthew 5:13) He taught that salt must maintain its purity and integrity in order to have a lasting impact. In a similar way, we must maintain our purity by walking in newness of life and by not loving the things of this world. (1 John 2:15) Then, when people witness our transformed lives, they will be powerfully influenced. Never forget that you do have an influence on others—either for good or for bad. Salt makes a positive difference on whatever comes in contact with it. Let us flavor the lives of people around us so that they will be preserved from the rot and decay of evil. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-25 08:00:21
Mclendon does sleep around and has fathered children outside of his marriage,this needs to STOP! Why Preachers don't change is because we don't require it.!! I use to attend his Church and know women that he has dated there ,I don't want a woman who has alept around and I'm 39 years old. but neither doo I want a woman who's celibate because no one else wants her ,I want a liady that has give God control of her life and is saving herself for me,just as I have refrained at this stage in my walk with God until I meet my wife. If preachers taught this the members would get it. I think minsiters should ALL be happily married other wise how can they inspire others. I read another posting that maybe The Bishop 's first wife's only purpose was to mother his Children, I can relate my parents were married i5years and4 children later ,I must say with all due Respect to my mother. he has married his wife , they communicate. they laugh they share they are one in Christ, God has ifferent purposes for all of us .. see without my mother my Father would be childless because for whatever reason Children are not an option with his wife... praise be to God who knows what we need.
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DWCOM
2005-11-25 10:22:51
The issues involving Bishop Clarence McClendon are very old topics which have been in Charisma magazine and all over the internet for the past five to six years. I learned of the situations from Charisma in letter to the editor. It's old and has cobwebs on it. Why does it need to resurface? It isn't continuing, is it? If the brother isn't continuing in his sins and has repent TO GOD, God doesn't remember them anymore. He messed up and mad mistakes. How many of us haven't messed up and made mistakes? What I am about to say isn't going to be popular. If he gets it right with God, he can still be mightly used by him. God can still use him now and his own soul will just be lost. I just don't understand why the saints just can't forgive him?
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2005-11-25 10:36:10
WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN ????? DO WE PRETEND THAT THEY DON'T EXIST? AND IT'S ALLRIGHRT TO KEEP RE-HASHING OLD MESS ON BISHOP NOEL JONES , BUT NOT MCCLENDON,YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE DWCOM
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2005-11-25 10:42:13
This is exactly what you call gossip even if it's true. I never knew any of this. However, I know when the anointing is NOT on a person when they minister. God does not bless mess. God is going to pull the covers off of a lot more preachers. Pray for Bishop McClendon. None of us are angels. All of our righteous is as a filthy rag.
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DWCOM
2005-11-25 10:43:32
To the brother who says that he doesn't want a woman who has slept around, I don't understand what you mean when you say that you don't want a woman who's celibate because no one else wants her. It is true that one can be celibate and not give there life over to God, but how can a lady that has given God control of her life and saving herself for her husband not be celibate? It's your choice what your desires are, but are you speaking of a woman who has slept around prior to coming to Christ or after coming to Christ?
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2005-11-25 10:48:05
We shouldn't make excuses for any man's sins, that includes Bishop Noel Jones and all the other men and women of God. They are held to a higher standard. When they fall, the sheep are affected as well. The Lord sees what is done in the dark and it will be brought to the light. Judgment BEGINS at the house of God.
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2005-11-25 12:19:56
there were children between the past and now white wife right? from ladies in his congregation right ? Clarence McClendon needs to grow up, did he lose his Church? a tent
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2005-11-25 14:17:53
this claims can't be six years old if there's a baby less than a year old
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2005-11-25 14:38:33
It is up the governing Board of Bishops to hold these Bishops accountable for their actions. It is up to us individually to stop idolizing these men and women of God. There is only ONE on the throne. He is NOT going to permit any one in HIS PLACE. He said that NO FLESH would glory in His presence and that's exactly what He means!! It's time for all of us to take up our crosses and follow Him. I have a cross and you have a cross. It is time for ALL to get on the cross and DIE TO FLESH. Stop making excuses for this FLESH!!!
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2005-11-25 14:45:34
You REAP exactly what you SOW. What are you SOWING that you DON'T want to REAP tomorrow? Reality check!!
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2005-11-25 14:53:46
IF Bishop Clarence McClendon has fathered children out of wedlock, they are coming to him one day with questions. He has to be prepared to ANSWER them. God will be hearing what he has to say to them? He will be held accountable. No one gets by without being called in to question for our actions. There is RECORD KEEPING going on in heaven right now.
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2005-11-25 14:59:08
When there is not a first-hand account to witness in matters, we must take a Christian stance. Today, let us pray for all the innocent babies in the world whether they were born in or out of God’s perfect order. Surely, because they were not aborted or miscarried, God has a purpose for them also and only He can heal all wounds.
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2005-11-25 15:11:28
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. MATTHEW 7:1-2------Would any of you want this measured out to you again??
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2005-11-25 15:13:23
For anyone to think that the former First Lady Jones' only purpose for Bishop Noel Jones was to have children is just ludicrous. That is not only insulting to the her, but also the man of God. That all she had to offer for 20 years of marriage was just a WOMB.
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2005-11-25 15:50:33
In any human relationship, there are at least three factors working. Particularly in marriages, there is his side, her side and the truth. The truth always prevails, and since only God and the two people in a marriage know the truth, even when God is grieved by divorce, He is faithful to forgive. Marriage is a covenant relationship and although children are often included, birthing children is not the sole purpose of a union. Unfortunately, marriages are under attack and the divorce rate is even higher among Christians. It is clear, we must pray for strong Christian marriages that will glorify God.
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2005-11-25 16:29:58
Our influence on others should be purposeful rather than haphazard. We ought to ask ourselves which people we are impacting. Are we in fact making a difference in anyone’s life? We can get out of the rippling business and instead make powerful waves for God that affect wide circles of individuals. Consider the impact of prayer, for example. There is no end to its possibilities. Your influence can extend to the very ends of the earth when you are on your knees. Don’t ever underestimate the scope and circle of your influence when you are obedient to the Lord. By following Him, you are the light of the world. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-25 17:28:24
Between me and you .when they were married he did not seem Happy,back in the day I did not see any contribution that she made that was exceptional other than making him a father. one thing about The Bishop is when he's Happy it shows. So if she is making postings I'm sure they are some of the ones that are nasty and sneaky ,He's not a bad person and she should move on.Her purpose ,'whatever' it 'was' has been served ,and she should stop asking people about his life. what's your Purpose now ??/ cause him moer pain
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2005-11-25 18:01:25
Okay, she is older than him right??? So that would make her around 60ish??? Surely she isn't that shallow, immature and childish to be posting on this site!!!
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2005-11-25 18:36:37
AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING SHALLOW- AND SHE IS POSTING AND SNOOPING.
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2005-11-25 18:45:48
What are your thoughts on reincarnation?
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2005-11-25 18:46:06
What kind of evil is this? Why would you want to spread lies about Bishop Jones ex-wife here? Aren't there some demons somewhere you can go play with?
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2005-11-25 18:54:35
LOL Now that was funny!!! Some demons they can go play with! LOL
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2005-11-25 19:04:38
To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord. II Corinthians 5:8 So where does reincarnation fit in in the life of a believer?? If you are absent from your body (after death), then you don't come back as another being, because your Spirit is present with the Lord! As people of God (Christians), we have the resurrection to look forward to, not reincarnation.
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2005-11-25 19:06:45
If you are a professing christian and I don't know that you are or are not, we would prefer that you not use profanity in this room. I have stated my position regarding the former First Lady Jones and I think we should show some respect. We don't know what transpired in their marriage that caused it to fail, but I do not believe there were more bad days than good. That is MY PERCEPTION and I am NOT the ex First Lady Jones posting here. LOL
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2005-11-25 19:17:40
I do not believe the ex First Lady Jones is posting or snooping. Someone else may be doing this to enhance our discussions or stir up strife which is unecessary. You cannot place the blame on ONE PERSON when a marriage leads to divorce. In order to come to a fair and honest opinion of what may have happened in their marriage, we would have to have some first hand knowledge of what all took place. Now does anyone know factually why the marriage did not work? I don't think so. We only know what Bishop Jones has mentioned publicly or his ex wife may have mentioned publicly. It is water under the bridge now.
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2005-11-25 19:25:05
When a person dies, he or she will NOT BE reincarnated. The physical body will die and your soul and spirit will live on in eternity. Your permanent residence for your soul and spirit will either be heaven or hell. You will not be reincarnated and you will not be in pergatory because it does NOT exist.
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2005-11-25 19:34:19
Have you ever considered that the ex First Lady Jones may still love the Bishop? Would that be wrong of her? For a man that she was married to for 20 years, is it wrong of her to enquire how he is doing or feeling? I don't think so. The majority of us hold the Bishop in high esteem. Suppose she still regards him as we, should she be looked upon any differently if she shares our opinion of the man of God? Some of you have been unfairly critical of her.
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2005-11-25 19:55:48
Why are you talking about her at all? He is the public figure, not her. Leave her alone!
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2005-11-25 20:33:46
While you might think that the ex First Lady Jones should just crawl into a hole and go away, that is not reality. I didn't know that talking about her was so troublesome to YOU!! LOL
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2005-11-25 20:37:35
OH WELL........LOL
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2005-11-25 21:07:37
Are you afraid they may reconcile? LOL
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2005-11-25 22:27:43
Yes, that is why they are agitated so to speak because that is a possiblity.
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2005-11-25 22:45:37
He probably feels comfortable with Natalie Cole because they both share the fact that they are divorcees. She three times and he once. It doesn't mean anything other than friendship. How do I know that? It is just my perception. They are both financially stable, public figures, and attractive. I don't think we should draw conclusions based on that criteria.
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2005-11-25 22:53:48
HE IS ENGAGED AND NOT TO NATALIE COLE!
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2005-11-25 22:56:24
He does live in Los Angeles where people are escorted to the Grammys, Oscars, and other social functions. They usually get an escort of like quality. What would people speculate if they saw Bishop Jones with a not so well known female date on that same outing? They would draw all kinds of conclusions. Number one would probably be; who is she? where is she from; do you know her; I wonder if they are involved? So to avoid all this undue speculation he takes someone very famous who would not draw that kind of attention. It happens all the time I am sure in Hollywood.
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2005-11-25 22:58:11
HE ONLY USES HIS EX-WIFE WHEN HE IS MAKING A POINT ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS...HE CAN'T USE HIS FIANCEE...HE DOESN'T WANT HIS EX WIFE! HE IS ENGAGED! HE'LL BE MARRIED TO HER THIS SPRING.
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2005-11-25 23:03:38
Thank you, but we are not discussing engagements here. We are merely talking about casual dating. It happens all the time. The point I am making is that persons can date casually and there is no romantic involvement.
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2005-11-25 23:07:55
I think Natalie and the Bishop make a very attractive couple. Any comments?
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2005-11-25 23:10:07
How far back in the day are you speaking of? Two years five years prior to him going to California? How would you be in the position to know this? In your opinion what would be an exceptional contribution? Who says a pastor's wife has to make any contribution? How are you so sure she's asking around about him. Why would she need to ask other people about Bishop Jones' life when she could ask her children? Better yet, when she could ask him? She really doesn't have to ask anything, it comes to her.
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2005-11-25 23:14:58
Is anyone in the room a member of Bishop McClendon's church?
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2005-11-25 23:23:14
I know that Bishop Clarence McClendon is currently holding services in a tent. Does his congregation have plans anytime soon for a local building or church? I enjoy hearing him minister. He is a young man that is highly gifted of the Lord. He has a prophetic calling on his life. Anyone that has that type of anointing is going to be greatly attacked by the enemy.
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2005-11-25 23:35:26
I beg to differ with the comment about Bishop Jones only using his former wife when making a point in relationships. Wrong; Bishop has been a Pastor for years now and I am sure he has counseled many couples in his church. He would NOT have to refer to his former wife whatsoever. Subconsiously, he speaks concerning her. Have you ever been in LOVE and could NOT stop talking about that person. I have been there and done that. You talk about people you have feelings for. Now, I am not saying this is the case with Bishop Jones, but only pointing out this is a possibility.
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2005-11-25 23:37:51
HA HA. YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE ME. HE'LL NEVER WANT YOU! GET OVER IT!
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2005-11-25 23:38:28
Let the Bishop's exwife alone. It's a bunch of garbage coming from busy bodies with a bunch of twisted perspectives.
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2005-11-25 23:40:27
Resist the devil and he will FLEE from you.
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2005-11-25 23:42:26
Does anybody know what the ex looks like? just curious?
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2005-11-25 23:46:34
Submit yourself therefore to God and RESIST the devil and he WILL FLEE from YOU!!!
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2005-11-25 23:49:02
How many people on here attend his church? Don't yell all at once now!
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2005-11-25 23:50:44
No, I have never seen her in person.
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2005-11-25 23:52:08
Look at their children and you'll be able to tell what she looks like.
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2005-11-25 23:55:51
I see we have some very immature people on board tonight. Grow up!!
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2005-11-26 00:00:35
Sounds like Christian and the slang- using Wisdom. LOL
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2005-11-26 00:09:02
Well, what do the children look like?
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2005-11-26 00:16:38
Ha Ha sounds like another immature person. Grow up!!!
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2005-11-26 00:18:00
WHAT DOES HIS EX WIFE LOOK LIKE? REALLY, DO YOU HAVE A LIFE?
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2005-11-26 00:21:27
WHY DON'T Y'ALL START A GROUPIE FAN CLUB? MAYBE YOU CAN GET BISHOP JONES TO ATTEND A MEETING...MAYBE HE'LL BRING HIS EX-WIFE SO Y'ALL CAN GET A LOOK AT HER.
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2005-11-26 00:23:37
About as much as any of you have.
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2005-11-26 00:33:36
If Bishop Clarence McClendon has repented of his sin, he is to be forgiven and received back into fellowhip. However, and I don't know what transpired, there needs to be a period of time when he is NOT in the pulpit preaching, but sitting down and receiving Godly counsel. Some say it should be six months, some say even longer. To me it depends on the seriousness of what transpired. From what I understand, Bishop Paul Morton did not attend his wedding after his divorce was finalized and he remarried seven days later.
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2005-11-26 00:35:34
I came across this website as I was doing some research surfing the net on african american preachers with "Mega Churches". I consider this somewhat of a christian chatroom. Maybe I am wrong, but that's what it appears to be. The single sista works hard for her money as the song says. By jet setting, I meant I enjoy traveling. I didn't mean to infer I fly all over the world. The sista has to WORK for a living. I don't work a 9 to 5. I stand on my feet 7 hours out of a 8 hour shift. I sit when I can.
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2005-11-26 00:38:33
There is no place for sarcasm in the room. Let us respect their right to ask questions. No one is obligated to answer anyone, but you do not have to be coy.
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2005-11-26 00:44:21
What's your point?
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2005-11-26 00:44:54
I guess I was just trying to fit in with you all. I am not a STREET person. Those days are LONG gone. These are the good old days now. I am just blessed and highly favored. Someone said a few posts ago, If I stood on my feet eight hours, it's only seven, that I was not favored. I must admit when I was standing and was tired at work one day, I thought about what they said.
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2005-11-26 00:48:32
Why would we need a groupie fan club? Grow up!!!
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2005-11-26 00:53:08
Again, what is your point with the last two postings?
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2005-11-26 00:58:48
What difference does it make what Bishop Jones' ex wife looks like? Are you going to compare yourself with her if you are female? Suppose she is a very attractive woman? Are you afraid Bishop still finds her attractive maybe?
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2005-11-26 01:08:54
No I am not afraid that they will reconcile.
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2005-11-26 01:12:47
This single sista grew up in the projects. I lived in the projects for a number of years. The Lord has blessed me. The same ghetto rats that are in the projects are running across the walks of the rich and famous. LOL LOL
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2005-11-26 01:13:30
YOU WOMEN ARE SICK. WHETHER HE RECONCILES WITH HIS EX OR NOT...HE DOESN'T WANT YOU!
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2005-11-26 01:22:01
I am a single sista who enjoys being SINGLE. I don't need a man to make me whole. I travel all over this country by myself most of the time. I am not afraid. I love it. I think I am too selfish right now to marry. Don't get me wrong, I am a generous person, but not willing to share my life with anyone now. I don't know a lot about cooking and am not in a hurry to cook for any man regardless of how much LOVE I might have for him. I am not ready to wash anyone's unddies but mine right now. I am not the sit at home type. I don't want any man around me 24 x 7. I would want my space. I consider myself a jet setter. I love glamour. I am not high maintenace, but I do LOVE St. John. Sista's just enjoy life. When your God sent husband comes, it will more than make up for any regrets, etc. I have a good paying job, no children and I am happy. LOL LOL
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2005-11-26 01:59:55
PATHETIC
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2005-11-26 02:09:00
Now why would you hang around us for this length of time if we are all sick? Does that make you sick too? LOL PATHETIC!!
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2005-11-26 02:13:51
I LIKE A GOOD FREAK SHOW
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2005-11-26 02:31:05
BYE
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2005-11-26 05:59:17
If ever you have been asked to give your testimony, you probably have responded by telling others what the Lord has done for you. While we are commanded to share our faith with others, this action alone does not fully comprise our testimony. Our testimony is three-fold. It includes our character (who we are), our conduct (what we do), and our conversation (what we say). All are very important, and when one element of the trio does not match the others, it clouds our testimony. The base of our testimony is our character. It is unseen and unheard but produces fruit that is seen and heard. Whatever is inside a person will overflow to his or her actions and communication. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-26 06:58:55
Nothing really on TV now, so I just drop in. Single Sista is just that a single sister. I use ebonics on here, but in reality, I don't talk that way. I started talking like others in this room when I came in here. I don't call my brothers or sisters in Christ, brotha, sista, that's not how I speak. I do consider myself intelligent. LOL
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2005-11-26 07:14:51
I KNEW that Bishop PaulS> Morton married quickly after his divorce but I didn't know it was seven days,,you said he didnt attend his wedding ,wasn't he the groom . As for the EX MRS JONES THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE ',I'M NOT A WOMEN BUT DIVORCED MAN ANS SOME IMES YOU USE THE MOTHER OF YOUR CHILDREN IN EXAMPLE.AND THAT'S ALL IT IS,AS FOR AS HIM BEING SEEM IN PUBLIC WITH SOMEONE THAT'S HIS CHOICE, PRESIDENT CLINTON IS A MARRIED PUBLIC PERSON AND HE'S BEEN SEEN RECENTLY WITH WHAT IS SURELY A DATE, AND HE DOES NOT ADDRES IT BECAUSE IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS, I THINK WHEN BISHOP JONES MEETS THE WOMAN THAT HE'S PRAYING ABOUT, THEN HE WILL GIVE HER A RING ,SHOW HER IN PUBLIC AND MARRY HER..AND THEY COULD CARE LESS WHAT YOU THINK , AND YOU PEOPLE CAN ALL REST ,I'M NEVER GOING TO VISIT THIS SITE AAGAIN. GROW UP CHRISTIANS
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2005-11-26 07:42:45
A bunch of Ghetto lonely Alley Rats!!!
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2005-11-26 08:00:58
Single Sista what's your point????
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 09:14:22
To the person who keeps posting that Bishop Jones is secretly engaged and that they are getting married in the Spring, I agree nobody believes it. He's not going to hid her, he has to get to know her, so people would see him with her. If he's in LA, people would see him there with her. If she's in New York, people would see him there with her. Someone said that he mentioned at church that he doesn't date. Since he doesn't date in the casual sense, he would be investing in his future by taking her to dinner, movies and events. Let's be real about it! Let's post things that are true!
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2005-11-26 09:49:08
He has ex girlfriends...how do you get ex girlfiends (and fiancees) if you don't date?
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 11:02:51
Hum, here we go. The keyword I used was CASUAL. Let me if I can make it plain for you by talking about me. Casual, is when John asks and takes me out to a nice dinner on Friday night, spends $60 to $80 on dinner for two, a movie $20 for two. On Saturday, Fred takes me out to a nice dinner and a concert. On Sunday, Jim takes me out to dinner and a play. I'm getting to know each of them. I'm investing my time, but no money! LOL! I don't do this anymore! LOL! I have to talk to you for a while before I spend my time with you and because I'm older now I can usually tell if I want to be bothered with you after two to three conversations. Now, if I were a man taking a different woman each night, it can become very costly. I doesn't make sense to invest in something that's casual.
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 11:09:48
I'm a little interested in knowing how you would know if he has ex girlfriends? Would you happened to be one of them and how would you define girlfriend? The above example is to imply that if you have an ex fiancee, its dating, but not casual dating.
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wisdom
2005-11-26 11:22:09
First of all in response to any comment made on last evening that may have referenced "wisdom" LOL LOL .....Isn't it wonderful to know we are "ACCEPTED" in the "beloved"!! Ephesians 1:6.....What is going on??? Single Sista are you back?? Hello long time no "dialogue"!!!LOL.....DWCOM, I agree, that is what you call "casual dating"......LOL LOL
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2005-11-26 11:33:46
There are demon spirits among us. Let us NOT entertain them. RESIST the devil and he will FLEE. Do not give him place by commenting. This is what he wants to stir up STRIFE among believers. Do not give in to him my brothers and sisters. Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
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wisdom
2005-11-26 11:50:10
Thank you Single Sista, for saying that you "use ebonics on here", because some have issues with pop culture phrases or "slang" if you will. At least I know, someone else uses ebonics on here too! LOL LOL LOL
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2005-11-26 11:54:15
If you are indeed a born again believer, your profession should be Christ like. We are to come out from among them and be separate. We are not to be like them in speech and or in our actions. Our words are to be seasoned with grace. We are to study to be quiet and to be of a meek (not weak) spirit. Forgiving one another in love. How do we know we are HIS DISCIPLES (disciplined)? We love one another.
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2005-11-26 11:58:22
Little children LOVE ONE ANOTHER!!!
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2005-11-26 11:58:30
I gave my life to Jesus, because I'm too clever for the devil!!!lol lol
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2005-11-26 12:02:11
I will expose and uncover him (the devil) every time!!! LOL LOL
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2005-11-26 12:06:39
Someone mentioned erroneously that is was Bishop Paul Morton that married seven days after a recent divorce. It was Bishop Clarence McClendon who married seven days after a divorce. He got married in Malibu, CA, and Bishop Morton did not attend the ceremony. Read the information in Charisma Magazine Archives.
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2005-11-26 12:07:56
Single Sista, Is the use of ebonics not Christ-like???
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 12:09:12
Wisdom, I don't think it's Single Sista? Something doesn't seem quite right with the posts. If it is Single Sista, good to hear from you. Gird up everybody!
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2005-11-26 12:12:23
Why is it that we often hurt the ones we love, the ones that have come to our defense and have meant us well, and have been on our side all along??
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2005-11-26 12:17:29
The person with the expression of HA HA is not a female. You are a MAN. Your words are deceptive in nature.
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2005-11-26 12:20:01
Especially, the people of God!!! We all have the same enemy!!! SATAN!! So why can't we just encourage one another and accept each others differences and love each other as little children of God? We all need Jesus, thats why He came! Instead of tearing down, shouldn't we seek to build up one another, learn from one another and help each other to the "finishing line"? You know "PRIDE" and "SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS" are so very destructive!! Father in the Name of Jesus, Give us how to love one another, and give us to know that without your love, grace and mercy....None of us would make it and we need YOU and each other daily to make it!!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 12:21:34
This is true and I agree!! I see that I'm not by myself in thinking something!!!! LOL! LOL!
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2005-11-26 12:26:20
There is a MAN among us who writes posts as though HE were FEMALE. HE is the same one who wrote the post: that Bishop Jones was on TV now getting married. HE is the same one who comes in the room every now and again who states Bishop Jones is engaged. HE is the same one who shows comtempt for Bishop Jones' ex wife. I am the person who submitted a post and told someone else they were not FEMALE, but MALE. They wrote back and said they were a divorced MAN who is the same one who stated Bishop Jones' ex wife's ONLY purpose was to give him children. This MALE whoever you are has a deceiving spirit working in him. BEWARE!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 12:28:38
Come on in the room Saints!! LOL! LOL!! LOL!!!
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2005-11-26 12:38:29
You know, as I get older I'm learning that we all have the same basic needs in life. The need for Love and the feeling of acceptance. Let's not try to fence each other in, or place one another in our little boxes of life. Let's not impose our "personal boundaries" that we have set, for us as individuals on others. Why can't we just appreciate each others diversity and individuality, instead of launching childish and unrighteous attacks. I learn to appreciate differences in life, and differences on this webpage. Everybody has their own methods of expression...Not all of God's children are "cookie cutter" copies if you will! LOL LOL We are ALL very different, because our ministries are different, and we were sent to minister and reach diverse groups of people. Just because someone might not "fit your standards of holiness", doesn't mean they are not holy, sanctified, blood washed,a and accepted in the Beloved!
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2005-11-26 12:48:13
I don't have a personal standard of holiness, but holiness as defined in the Word of God. Just because we lower the standard, doesn't mean that God is not desirous of us being like HIM. There are a lot of churches who have lowered the standards for the sake of membership and money. A user friendly atmosphere were we all just get along. Where the Gospel is no longer preached in it's entirety, but meant to just pacify until the next service. That is not my expression of holiness. Holiness is a standard set by God. We all are expected to live a life that PLEASES HIM whether in this room or outside the confines of this room.
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 12:50:23
Correct me if I didn't understand you correctly. We do minister to diverse groups of people; however, using profanity doesn't fits in ANY standard of holiness.
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2005-11-26 12:56:08
When we are confronted with a challenge, that does not mean we are being attacked. It simply is an exhortation for you to grow. If we never experienced growing pains, what good is the growth process. If we did not grow at all, we would be deemed a dwarf, or however you care to define stunted growth. Do you want to stay where you are now?
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wisdom
2005-11-26 12:59:27
Well as long as we hold each other to the STANDARDS THAT ARE SET BY GOD, not standards set by US or OUR pastors and teachers!!!! Will a sense of humor, the use of ebonics and the use of clean "slang" words send you to hell?? OR make you not be HOLY??? Cause I have a sense of humor and sometimes my expressions are "flavorful"LOL.....But I am determined to hold up THAT BLOOD STAINED BANNER!!!! I SHINE FOR HIM!!!! BECAUSE HE SHINES FOR ME!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-26 13:05:13
DWCOM, by no means should profanity be used as a witnessing tool!!! LOL Even at the night club and pool hall!!!! LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-26 13:12:17
DWCOM, I was talking about ebonics and slang! LOL Thats just the way some of us express ourselves. But anyway, I've talked about, prayed about it and NOW I'm gonna leave it alone!!! Because I am ACCEPTED IN THE BELOVED! lol
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2005-11-26 13:16:48
When Jesus engaged in conversation with the woman at the well, He simply asked her for a some water. That is how He engaged her. Not with any non pertinent information. Straight to the point and a matter of fact. Just give me some water!!! No hand gestures, flavorful words if you will. LOL Just practical and loving kindness shown towards the Samaritan woman. She was very aware that He was a Prophet; she had no doubt. He told her what was in her heart.
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wisdom
2005-11-26 13:16:53
No, I think you misunderstood!!! That is just part of my personality! I don't change to "fit in" like someone said earlier. You know someone mentioned early this week about a "God given" personality??? Even though I'm called to minister to the youth and the wayward!!! Thats just part of my personality!! It's just part of my JOYFUL spirit!
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wisdom
2005-11-26 13:25:41
You know I came in here this morning with a question in my mind, I kinda knew the answer, but I wasn't quite sure. You know how you're just not 100% sure?....... well I'm 100% sure now!!!! The Lord will uncover, WHO you can't discover!!! LOL LOL LOL
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2005-11-26 13:26:02
Trust me there is no misunderstanding. I have no doubt that is your personality that has been formed from quite some time ago.
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 13:29:22
Wisdom, Okay, I understand and it's all GOOD! People have been through enough hell in their lives and showing the LOVE of JESUS CHRIST is the ONLY WAY!
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2005-11-26 13:32:19
Environment has a lot to do with shaping one's personality. The persons with whom you had close relationships with. I did not grow up in a home where profanity was used. I was not a swearer. I grew up in a christian household. Your peers are the ones who help shape your personality. We try to identify with them. There are however exceptions. I accept people as they are, but I don't allow people to negatively influence me.
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wisdom
2005-11-26 13:35:37
AMEN AMEN DWCOM!!!! and you know a lot of us would be further in life, our careers, businesses, marriages, ministries and every aspect of life, if we would put the time in changing OURSELVES, that we put in trying to change OTHERS!!! We could get off our feet and sit down!!! We create "unnessary struggles", because of OUR OWN spirits!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-26 13:39:09
Did I missed something??? Who used profanity??
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2005-11-26 13:40:33
I also grew up in a christian household where profanity wasn't used, but I heard it used from some church members, at school and athletic games. If you're not careful, what goes into the eye gate will come out of the mouth without you even thinking about it. A good example is a two or three year old. All they have to do is hear it one time (and it doesn't have to be at home) and they recite it.
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2005-11-26 13:40:56
SIN is what would cause a person to go to hell. The use of ebonics, clean slang;(whatever that is), humor, and flavoragle expressions may not cause you to go to hell. How close to the EDGE to you want to live?
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2005-11-26 13:48:05
The Bible says that the righteous are SCARCELY going to make in IN. Why would you be willing to live so close to the edge and miss heaven. Is there ANYTHING worth having that would possibly cause you to miss your reward? I don't want to live a life and lay down at night with the burden of am I ready to meet the Lord if I shoud die before I wake.
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DWCOM
2005-11-26 13:49:27
Wisdom, recheck the posts from yesterday. I've have a paper due tomorrow, so I'll e-ya'll later.
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wisdom
2005-11-26 13:50:30
Okay, I'm glad we cleared that HELL issue up!!!! LOL LOL......Actually, I think I'm VERY FAR from the edge!!! LOL LOL My heart is clear and pure!!! I don't have a critical spirit or anything. LOL But thank God, he is the JUDGE!!! LOL and as far as for my surrondings, I grew up in the house with the elder and missionary, so I wonder where I got this sense of humor and language!!!!! from da streets????? LOL LOL
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2005-11-26 13:53:59
If I put on a mini skirt and a halter top with my breasts showing and go down to Hollywood and Vine with a Bible in my hand, are they going to be inclined to listen to me? Or will they think I am just scamming. Perhaps they will think I am just turning tricks. What kind of witness would that be?
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wisdom
2005-11-26 13:57:15
My vocabulary cannot be compared to your secret fantansies!!!!! LOL
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2005-11-26 14:02:27
How about if we go along with a few more soldiers if you will and we all look like gang bangers with our COLORS on. We decide to go where the Crips and Bloods hang out. Do you think they would notice firstly the Bibles we are carrying if any. No, they are going to identify you by what you wear. Your intent is to witness to them. They have to first get past your garb. God forbid you have on the wrong colors, but you are trying to win them. You could die in the process!!! My point is who are you identifying with.
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wisdom
2005-11-26 14:10:44
See how WONDERFUL my sense of humor can be??? Anyway, I understand what YOU are saying. I'm going to lunch now!!! Talk to ya later, love you BOO!!!
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2005-11-26 15:47:14
Wisdom, are any of us using the language that the disciples used? Where in the bible does it say something is wrong with slang or pop culture language? Didn't the Bible say let no corrupt communication come from your mouth, but only that which edifies?? So if communication is not profane, corrupt or defames someones character, then its each person's discretion how they communicate? Don't sweat the small stuff.
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2005-11-26 16:11:55
I WONDER,, IF YOU GONE PUT THAT MINI SKIRT AND HALTER TOP ON TONIGHT WITH YO BREAST SHOWING11. YOU MIGHT GET SOME ATTENTION!~! THEN YOU WANT BE SO TENSED UP!! HAVE A LITTLE FUN, LIVE A LITTLE!!! lol
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2005-11-26 17:39:35
Grow Up
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2005-11-26 17:50:57
You never answered the question that was asked of you. How do you know this? Do you know them personally? Perhaps there are other ways to identify them. LOL
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2005-11-26 18:45:02
YES,GROW UP AND BE MISERABLE! lol
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2005-11-26 20:36:51
fellow poers? huh?????
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2005-11-26 20:44:26
I heard someone say that Bishop Jones used to live in the hood. Somebody else said he lives across the street from the LA Lakers coach. Where does he live?
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2005-11-26 20:50:29
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHERE HE LIVES? WHEREVER IT IS YOU WILL NEVER LIVE THERE WITH HIM CAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT YOU!
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2005-11-26 20:50:41
I thought Bishop Jones said that he doesn't date. How could he at one time been engaged without dating anyone. Sounds like rumors floating around. Nobody seems to know who he is romantically linked to. That to me is strange. It has got to be more to his life than just pastoring and preaching.
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2005-11-26 20:55:25
Why be mean to me without justification?
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2005-11-26 21:01:09
Are there any nice persons in this room that can answer my questions.
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2005-11-26 21:02:38
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW! lol
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2005-11-26 21:04:58
How can you be so sure that I will never live there?
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2005-11-26 21:08:20
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? lol
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2005-11-26 21:10:52
this room is a junk closet filled with nonsense ,grow and get a life.he does not care about any of this clowns
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2005-11-26 21:13:37
I am very careful about what I sow. Are you? You are not the only female who is curious about the Bishop? There is room for all of us to ask questions. That does not mean we are sewing negativity. I am not out to hurt the Bishop in any way.
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2005-11-26 21:34:28
How do you know that I will not live there one day?
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2005-11-26 21:44:51
Like I said Forgive me if I have ever come across rude to anyone. I don't believe that I have. It is just bad taste to call persons those kinds of names. Could it be that maybe sometimes we misread what the person intends. I know there are females in this room who admire Bishop Jones. There is nothing wrong with that.
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2005-11-26 22:22:59
WISDOM AND SINTA SINGLE ARE YOU FRIENDS YOU SEEM TO APPLAUD HER BEHAVIOR AND THINKS GHE/HE DOESN'T DO ANY WTHING WRONG ARE YOU TWO PARTNERS ?
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2005-11-26 22:38:20
God has been so gracious to give us 24 hours in this day. How can we thank Him for the gift of life and opportunity for eternal life? By being good stewards of the time given to us now and seeking the LORD daily, we learn of His righteousness which is no match for our own. The Bible says, “Sow for yourselves righteousness, reap the fruit of unfailing love, and break up your unplowed ground; for it is time to seek the LORD, until he comes and showers righteousness on you”. (Hosea 10:12). It is time to seek the LORD. Please remember, “for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. (1 Thessalonians 5:2). In order to be ready, we must be good stewards of our time here on earth.
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2005-11-27 01:52:50
FEMALES FANTASIZING AND LUSTING AFTER BISHOP JONES IS NOT ADMIRING HIM. FEMALES GOSSIPING ABOUT HIS EX WIFE IS NOT ADMIRING HIM. FEMALES GETTING UPSET BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS HE'S ENGAGED IS NOT ADMIRING HIM.
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2005-11-27 02:01:58
Single Sista and Wisdom have some type of clique going on? Single Sista was the one that said Wisdom is a slang talking, tiny booper, gang banger. Go back and follow the dialogue from the day before Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving day and yesterday. Single Sista was the one that said Christian and Wisdom need to grow up, because they want to use names or symbols on this page!Wisdom, I hope you noticed this right? Remember she said after your response, "Wisdom you know who I am and you don't need a name to address me. Speak now or for ever hold your peace. LOL If you just got to have a name for me, call me tell like it is." "Tell it like it is", that sounds like Single Sista to me. Cloaked in her self righteousness, critical, miserable spirit. And there IS a MALE pretending to be a FEMALE, with RUDE comments, other than Mr. LA! lol
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2005-11-27 02:07:16
And Single Sista is not pretending to be a man. She sounds a lot like a Single Sista going through menopause.
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2005-11-27 07:34:27
Bishop McClendon has only been accused of fathering children. it has not been proven and he can drive any car he wants.
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2005-11-27 15:07:34
I am the one that posted that said I do not believe Bishop McClendon has fathered children out of wedlock. I believe I heard someone say that a Rolls Royce had been given to the Bishop. Why shouldn't he drive it?
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2005-11-27 15:13:14
Do you think the Bishop would not want a woman who is menopausal? LOL Or would he want some young light skinned small waist and cute face?
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2005-11-27 15:17:30
Sarah was menopausal when she had Isaac?
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2005-11-27 16:04:47
You are a very rude person. Do you know that? Why?
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2005-11-27 16:09:10
I hope the Lord makes you eat your words? LOL
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2005-11-27 16:14:25
Have you yourself experienced menopause. If not, be careful if you are a younger lady because your day is coming. You don't have to be an older lady to experience menopause. I know much younger women have experienced. It's nothing to be made fun of!!
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2005-11-27 16:21:23
OH SOME ONE OFFENDED BY MY COMMENTS?? SOUND LIKE I STRUCK A NERVE!!! DID YOU ASK WHY?? OR K-Y!!! LOL DON'T NOBODY WANT NOTHING DRY BUT SOME WOOD!!! lol
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2005-11-27 16:21:33
If you are the same person who wrote the nasty post about menopause, that is NOT me. You don't have a clue. LOL
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2005-11-27 16:24:44
STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!!
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2005-11-27 16:27:02
MENTAL-PAUSE!! MEANIN YO MIND IS TEMPORARILY GONE!!!LOL
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2005-11-27 16:32:18
Why are sowing discord? Can't you find it in your heart to be kind to people. At least somebody in this room. You don't have anything pleasant to say to anyone. You are mean.
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2005-11-27 16:37:20
Did you attend church today somewhere? LOL
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2005-11-27 16:39:31
IM NOT SOWING DISCORD!! YOU ASK A QUESTION,,AND YOU DON'T LIKE MY ASWER!! SEE MENTAL PAUSE MAKE YA SENSITIVE TOO! LOL IF YOU AINT GOING THROU IT,, THEN YOU ALMOST THERE! LOL DON'T BE SO SENSITIVE!! lol
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2005-11-27 16:41:24
DID YOU GO BY THE DRUGSTORE TODAY!!LOL K-Y GETTIN LO!! LOL
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2005-11-27 16:49:27
Will you help me?
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2005-11-27 16:53:11
One day you are going to learn to love me. I love you even though you are mean to me. I am going to keep pouring on the HONEY!!!!!!!!!
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2005-11-27 16:59:52
HONEY IS NOT WHAT YOU NEED HONEY!!lol (ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT WORK LOL),,BUT WHAT YOU NEED IS K-Y AND BE REAL WITH YO SELF!!LOL IM NOT BEING MEAN,,BUT REAL! LOL
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2005-11-27 17:14:41
ALL GO OIL UP! LOL THERE YOU GO WITH ALL YOU NAME CALLING!! JUST MISERABLE, LONELY, IRRATABLE,,INSECURE!! LOL YOU THE ONE INTERESTED IN BISHOP JONES!! GET YOU SOME DRIED UP OLD MAN LIKE YOU!!LOL
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2005-11-27 17:26:37
WHO PUT YOU IN CHARGE OF THIS ANYWAY!~! HOW YOU GON RUN SOMEBODY OUT!!,,MENTAL PAUSE~~THINK YOU RUNNIN EVERY THNAG TOO!!LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-27 18:08:29
NBC Nightly News is doing a story on "micro-churches", thats the alternative to "mega-churches". I caught a little of the story....Anyway this is where smaller groups of believers (no more than 24) go from house to house (like the New Testament Disciples did) on every Sunday and worship in smaller groups. They say they not only worship together, but they just share in life experience general. They say this concept was thought of, because of people that became frustrated with the enormous size of mega churches, and the lack of close fellowship. They say it is a growing trend in America....The churches themselves don't grow, but the concept is growing all over.....Anyway I thought it was an interesting story, and thought I would share it. Check it out, (may be a good topic for discussion)......if you miss it they will probably re-air on MSNBC or log on to the NBC website.....As far as the "madness" on this site,!!! I don't have time to address any of those "interesting" post this evening!!! LOL But if someone is going through menopause, look at it this way, you either got to grow old, or die young....which do you prefer!!! LOL...I prefer growing old myself!! LOL
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Christian
2005-11-27 18:24:40
Hi Wisdom. I am on the west coast so I may be able to catch it here in about an hour. I got my Essence magazine in the mail yesterday and it has an article on Creflo Dollar's ministry with a lot of commentary on mega churches. It's the December issue with Monique on the cover with her fiance.
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Christian
2005-11-27 20:05:48
Wisdom I watched the NBC piece on micro-churches. I don't think it will become a major movement because people can just go to regular sized churches. Why is this alternative necessary when one can just down-size to a smaller church from a mega-church?
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wisdom
2005-11-27 20:28:47
Hi Christian, thanks for the info about the December issue of Essence. On the NBC story, from what I gathered, they not only wanted a smaller group, but where changing their whole order and style of worship....You know, a more relaxed, intimate, family type atmoshpere....The footage I caught showed them in a "family den" type setting. With refreshments served during/after the worship.....They were sitting, praying, reading the word and singing songs like a large natural family..... I had the same question as you, why not just join a smaller congregation???...But, maybe they felt it wasn't likely to find a congregation that would remain at 24 members and with a relaxed atmosphere....Anyway, I thought it was an interesting piece, because we have often dialogued about mega churches.
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Christian
2005-11-27 20:51:47
I do not have a church home right now. I attend Bishop Jones' church when I do go to church. Although his congregation is technically "mega-church" size, it has a more intimate feel. I am sure it has a lot to do with his personality which is very warm. Bishop Blake's Church also feels intimate to me for the same reason. I think who the pastor is has a lot to do with enjoying the fellowship of a mega-church.
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2005-11-27 20:57:36
I would rather grow old than to die young. Praise the Lord for KY and menopause. LOL I am going to grow old gracefully.
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2005-11-27 21:02:04
Have you thought about joining Bishop Jones' church? Did you go today? What was the sermon about if you did?
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wisdom
2005-11-27 21:12:51
Christian you're right....I think if the pastor is warm, friendly and inviting, then it will spill on to the congregation, no matter what the size......After all the head usually controls the body....But, some people have different needs, and may want that smaller fellowship....
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Christian
2005-11-27 21:21:17
I no longer respond to anonymous posts. I prefer to know who I am communicating with. I am not being rude. This is just my preference.
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2005-11-27 21:35:08
And I respect your preference.
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2005-11-27 22:03:22
I heard the same thing, but I don't know where the church is. I'll ask and get back to you.
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2005-11-28 05:17:40
Insecurity may not sound as explosive as the landmines of pride or jealousy, but it, too, is very dangerous. A great deal of damage can result in the life a person who habitually feels insecure. Such feelings can develop from many different situations. We may experience tragedy like the loss of a parent in our early life, or we may grow up in an environment that throws us off balance. Sometimes we feel insecure because of major failures we have experienced. Whatever the root causes for insecurity, the effects are often similar. We may be indecisive because our fear of making the wrong choice leads us to avoid decisions altogether. Sometimes we have a difficult time establishing lasting relationships because we believe we will not be a good friend. Or we might keep our distance out of a fear of rejection—people will frequently perceive this as pride or snobbery. Sooner or later, we may become critical of others. When we are hurting, we often want other people to feel bad too. At the same time, we unfortunately can fall into the trap of believing that success is based on approval and acceptance by others. The truth is that God has a special path for your life, where success cannot be measured by human praise. - INTOUCH
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2005-11-28 07:41:28
HONEY PLEASE WHERE IS YOUR SCREEN NAME? WHATS HEALTHY ABOUT YOUR POST? LOL! SO YOU ARE POSTING ABOUT THE SAME THING THAT YOU DO. THATS SATAN AT HIS BEST! LOL! LOL! PRACTICE WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT! LOL!
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wisdom
2005-11-28 09:10:21
And like I said once before, "we don't have to mount the pulpit with a microphone to impact lives"....We impact lives on these keyboards too! Now I can understand if it is Satan, but I feel some Saints participating in this foolishness too! Let's check our motives and make sure they are pure!
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2005-11-28 09:24:47
These are NOT saints, but aints that are sowing discord. The person or persons you think are NOT the ones doing it. It is the PERSON to whom you frequently engaged in discussions who called some true saints by profane names. Nothing I have said or you to them has challenged them to change because their motives are impure. They may not change. It's going to take a few more whippings from the Lord. LOL I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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wisdom
2005-11-28 09:32:36
See that's the kinda stuff I'm talking about!!! Even if they are not saints but "aints" or wannabees, lets not do the name calling thing. They will no we are Christians by OUR love!!! not our criticism!! In our personal prayer time, maybe we should pray that God make their motives pure, thru this webpage!
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2005-11-28 09:33:07
RESIST the devil and he will flee from you. True men and women of God are always under attack from satan. The greater the anointing, the greater the attack. Even Jesus was accused of having a devil. He did NO WRONG. The very expression of LOVE. I myself have been persecuted by some of you who are christians. Shame on you because you do not know me and are guilty of persecuting me.
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2005-11-28 09:42:26
you have been name calling yourself wisdom.
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2005-11-28 10:01:20
it is not up to God to make any one's heart pure. you present your body a living sacrifice. you have to lay sin aside
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2005-11-28 10:07:40
when you enter your prayer closet pray that the lord will anoint your eyes to see as he sees and anoint your ears to hear what his spirit says then you won't be guilty of condemnation and name calling
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wisdom
2005-11-28 10:15:18
what name calling did I do?? When I said Boo and Sugar Mama!!! LOL oh those are terms of endearment!!!! Just showing my love!!! LOL and sense of humor!! LOL
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2005-11-28 10:16:12
WWJD???????
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wisdom
2005-11-28 10:35:20
I don't mean any harm with MY words or comments. I think Jesus used the language of HIS day. I don't use words to offend or with malicious intent. If I offended someone with my words, I'm sorry, I repent. Can I just be "me"!!! LOL We are all from different walks, age groups, possibly cultures. We are just different!
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wisdom
2005-11-28 11:10:12
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. SANCTIFY them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. John 17:15-20....So instead of us asking God to "purify" hearts, we should instead ask Him to "sanctify" them through HIS truth: His word is truth!
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DWCOM
2005-11-28 11:13:01
Amen Wisdom!
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2005-11-28 11:58:59
I forgive you wisdom. LOL
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2005-11-28 12:04:27
oh but you do call persons some very nasty things yes you do i know who you are and i have known for quite some time that it is one person mostly although not entirely keeping up mess
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wisdom
2005-11-28 12:08:39
Thank you, even though I don't know who is forgiving me, its still good to know that someone does! LOL And Mr. LA, I'm not blind!!! LOL We know who's working some dirt, but obviously they need us, because they came back to us, so lets all be "friendly". LOL
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2005-11-28 12:14:28
you have a very good sense of humor and a delightful personality stop all the profanity and be the christian you say you are that is not asking to much repent and don't be offensive any longer be nice i heard a bishop say a long time ago it's nice to be nice you be nice
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2005-11-28 12:21:38
you are blind because the very person you are communicating with is the person who has called me some very nasty names so yes you are blind if you don't know who they are you are spiritually blind the one you call Mr LA is the one keeping up dirt as you call it i call it sowing discord
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wisdom
2005-11-28 12:23:20
You know, I'm okay if persons would rather not put name by their post. But, when you address someone specifically, could you use their name?? That way we will know who you are addressing. That may clear up some of the confusion?
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wisdom
2005-11-28 12:25:07
You know, My daddy says you can throw a rock into a pack of dogs, and won't nobody holler, but the one that gets hit!!!LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-28 12:26:51
I just threw a rock out there, and the first responder must be guilty?? LOL
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2005-11-28 12:30:06
you know who i am Mr LA knows who i am respect who i am i prefer that you not call me any nasty names anymore other persons may not know who you are talking to but i know and the Lord knows
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2005-11-28 12:36:34
you are not confused however you are spiritually blind to you Mr. LA another person didn't know what KY is but i know because i have medical training like you a nurse would use terms like menopause of surrogates and the like i have a health background so i am not blind to the terms as others would be as a matter of fact i am perimenopausal LOL so i don't have a need for KY yet
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wisdom
2005-11-28 12:44:41
Well, since you think I know who you are, then you know I am for peace..... and have come to your defense time after time. So I'm not going to "corrupt my spirit" with you and Mr. LA's "personal vendetta". I'm for peace, I love both of you, regardless of your character flaws and differences.
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2005-11-28 12:50:04
anybody that didn't write a nasty post wouldn't be confused however they will be able to determine who did i am not nameless to you wisdom or mr la
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2005-11-28 12:54:47
and you have no charater flaw right? none unno well i do and i am working on them night and day and day and night
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wisdom
2005-11-28 13:13:43
I didn't say anyone was a dog, I only used the illustration that my father used. LOL Go back and read please!!!
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2005-11-28 13:30:58
i am not in this room to change anybody but have been persecuted because i do live a lifestyle that some have regarded as selfrighteous and ill say this again you don't know me i am not critical person with a chip on my shoulder i do not believe however there is anything wrong with constructive critism if you regard it as destructive then that is your choice again you don't know me
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2005-11-28 13:42:00
if this room has been a blessing to anyone and it has to me there is no reason for anyone to feel they have to go anywhere or post their name or leave this room but we need to respect each others differences and be the children of God we say we are our character if reflected by the words we share do not leave the room let's clean it up
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wisdom
2005-11-28 13:55:06
I think if we will Exalt God's word and lift up the Risen Savior...Then people will change!!! No by our off color comments!
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2005-11-28 14:05:21
m/l yes i do believe there has been a great change in your life whether you believe me or not i have given you the benefit of the doubt i know you have been helped in this room as i have we all find strenth from each other's testimonies that comes out of all the tests and trials we must go through it is going to take endurance to run this race every day i wake up i am more determined to press my way through the good bad and ugly there is only one righteous judge and he is not sitting in heaven with an ugly stick to hit us every time we make a mistake or fall but we have to keep getting up and going forward time is too short to look back none of us can afford to look back
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2005-11-28 14:12:29
wisdom if you are referring to me as having made off color comments and i do not know that it is me but sometimes i may be guilty of saying something offensive and not know it you can help me by telling me what you feel was most recently an off color comment i really don't see it
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2005-11-28 14:20:28
if must confess that some of the postings i have read has caused me to act out of character for myself but i went back and read all of my post and it was never my intent to harm anyone including the men of God no one i have been unjustly persecuted for taking a stance on what i believe not finger pointing at anyone not anyting that i have ever said has called for treating me the way some have in this room that's why i promised not to come back did i lie? of course not i was upset at the time i wrote i wanted to come back and i did eventually and the same persons started attacking me all over again for no reason at all
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wisdom
2005-11-28 14:21:17
And you know, I'm gonna rest better tonight, now that I have gotten all that off my chest!!!! LOL Because I try, to be pure, genuine and sincere. And I earnestly seek peace with everyone!! Even if I might seem like a tiny bopper gang banger!!! LOL
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wisdom
2005-11-28 14:27:10
And you know, sometimes its not so much as what we say, but the spirit in which we say it. Yes, even on a website, you can discern spirits!! So lets just approach each other in the spirit of love. I am open for critism, but its the spirit in which it is given. I'm not perfect, by any means. I'm still learning.
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2005-11-28 14:30:26
i don't see you as a gangbanger at all and this is what you mean by an off color comment now i get it no more not from these lips i am sorry i can tell from your words that you are seasoned person in your walk with God
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DWCOM
2005-11-28 14:34:27
Wisdom, many are called, but few are chosen. You are truly anointed today! All I can say is Thank you!
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2005-11-28 14:40:54
i think it is better for me spiritually to just read the posts i'll listen to the rest of you and i am not lurking is there anything wrong with coming back every now and again and just read? i think that will be best for the rest of you because there are things i can't discuss like some of you because i don't know about your subject matter when it comes to the different ministers and their churches i am not a conference goer so i am limited in what i can add other than the word persons want to discuss the bishop and they do not want a bible study here
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wisdom
2005-11-28 14:45:44
DWCOM, I am trying to bring peace, and get rid of the madness!!
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wisdom
2005-11-28 14:55:16
You don't have to shut down and not dialogue. I don't go to the conferences either, I don't know alot about the dialogue sometimes. But, when the door is opened I offer my input. Don't stop dialoging, just ask yourself before you hit "submit". Is this dialogue, edifying or will it minister grace to the hearers?? Because you can even offer criticism and it will "minister grace". It is the spirit in which it is given. The letter killeth, but the spirit gives life!!! Laws and legalism creates snares, but the TRUTH spoken in God's Love creates change!!! and people will be Blessed!
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2005-11-28 15:01:32
since i am going to do more reading than posting i would hope that persons will refrain from the attack on my character i have asked to be forgiven and i have apologized to all i have offended
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wisdom
2005-11-28 15:05:38
I forgive you, we all make mistakes.
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2005-11-28 15:11:41
it has been the constant attack on my character that has caused me to become critical toward others which is wrong and has been pointed out to me but it also affected by ability to want to dialogue i don't have the same desire any more since i know a little about the word i can share it and i shall try to do it in love but i just don't feel the same way anymore even the church mother attacked my character by saying i have a dark cloud over my head nothing could be further from the truth now do you understand why i don't want to comment any longer i went through every posts to see who i probably offended or wounded and nothing i said in my posts justified all the wrong things that have been targeted toward me nothing!
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2005-11-28 15:17:11
i grew up in holiness and i know about legalism because i have dealt with it myself it has probably been that strict upbringing that has caused me to sound that way but i do not believe in legalism it is most damaging
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wisdom
2005-11-28 15:40:59
I will admit there were some that attacked you unjustly in the beginning. But YOU began to fight back and attack too! And I understand. But the weapons of warfare aren't carnal, and we can't always attack back with words...I'm learning this too! we gonna make it!!! be encouraged!!! I learning that sometime I gotta suffer wrong in order to maintain the peace!
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wisdom
2005-11-28 15:48:19
Sister, if you grew up any more strict than ME, you were a NUN!!! LOL I grew up in holiness too!! But, some of the principles and concepts they taught me. I left them at the altar too, along with my other burdens! LOL I wanted to show mercy and the Love of Christ, you know why, because I NEEDED MERCY AND THE LOVE OF CHRIST!!! For the most part, people realize and know when they are wrong, they need a way out, not correction!
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2005-11-28 19:01:20
HOW CAN SOMEONE BE UNFAIR TO YOU ,WHO ARE YOU NUT CASE ?
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2005-11-28 19:19:52
EXACTLY...WHO ARE YOU?
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2005-11-28 19:37:54
i am a child of god a daughter of the most high who are you?
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2005-11-28 19:42:52
what do you want to talk about?
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2005-11-28 19:44:00
When you refer to God, please capitalize the "G".
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S/S
2005-11-28 20:33:35
that is who i am i am again a daughter of the most high God
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S/S
2005-11-28 20:46:55
to you that asked the question who are you i know exactly who you are no doubt whatsoever
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wisdom
2005-11-28 20:52:48
And I don't think anyone should refer to you with any of those demeaning names anymore, because you are a daughter of the Most High God and you deserve the highest honour, just like the rest of the Children of the Most High God on this website!!! Praise the Lord!
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S/S
2005-11-28 20:55:40
if you go back and read my posts i have alway capitalized the letter G for God i however am now using all lower case letters but i shall be mindful of those capitals when speaking of the Lord it wasn't intentional nor did i do it out of disrespect for Him
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S/S
2005-11-28 21:02:39
thanks wisdom if you are noticing i am using lower case letters. i shall not be posting often, but when i do you will see my screen name S/S. if there is no S/S, it is not me talking i don't like the confusion. i am going to be signing off very shortly
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S/S
2005-11-28 21:11:13
it has aggravated me to be referred to in the manner in which i have. it's called persecution. no longer am i going to get drawn into attacking back. the battle doesn't belong to me. God is my Father and He will defend me. i shall hold my peace and let Him fight for me. good night
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Christian
2005-11-28 21:30:30
S/S why don't you get some counseling? This page is not the place for you to work out your issues. We are not your therapists. Get over yourself. It's not about you. This page is about Bishop Noel Jones. Don't you have some real friends you can talk to about your paranoia? Too much space has been taken up on this page with your mess. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. No one here is out to get you. It's all in your paranoid mind. You attack people then start crying when people strike back. If you can't take it, stop doling it out! If you are pleasant to people, they will be pleasant to you.
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DWCOM
2005-11-28 22:15:36
You know, I disagree with what Christian says. I happen to think that because we are all Christian and the the Love of God is working through us that we may never know what we may say that could help someone. Although this page is about Bishop Noel Jones, I believe that at the sametime it stand for what the Bishop stands for especially in the area of caring about and for people and about people. Sometimes what we say can push people over the edge. Christian, I think if you are not willing to deal with her that maybe there is someone else on this site who is anointed at the time to deal with it.
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Christian
2005-11-28 22:32:04
DWCOM I am not required to take abuse from anyone at any time. S/S has been abusive. That is why the room clears whenever she appears. Now, if you and Wisdom want to counsel her here on line, great. I do not know your backround or Wisdom's. Maybe the two of you have training in dealing with people with psychological and psychiatric problems, which she clearly has. I hope the two of you can help her. But I am going to "shake the dust off my feet"...I do not care to discuss her anymore. That is part of her problem, she needs to be the center of attention. You all can give her all the attention she can stand, which I imagine is quite a bit.
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DWCOM
2005-11-28 22:53:17
Somethings are better left unsaid. Somethings are better handled by turning it over to the Lord. God knows better than any of us. I don't know how many people view this site, but I know God always has someone who is anointed to handle the situation if you let them. This is really sad. I certainly hope that we can all grow from this. I know I am.
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2005-11-29 04:19:18
My friend who is engaged to The Bishop Says that they will be getting married soon. out of the country,he has given her the ring but she wears it on her right hand for now, the mariage won't last because she is allready gossiping about the other women in the Church thinking she's all of that,she could lose 50 pounds ,she will not make a good first lady ,but it going to take a lot of prayer she's pushy. as you people say Pray for the Bishop
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wisdom
2005-11-29 06:00:25
Christian, every time I have a need God is there to minister to my need. Either directly or indirectly through some person that He has divinely placed in my path. Even the things that may be ever so simple. He saved us, not just to be blessed, but to be a blessing. As yielded vessels, He uses us in the Earth to minister to the needs of His people. We are God's instruments of righteousness. Whereas God is Spirit, He uses our "natural" capacities to touch the hearts of others, to bring healing and encouragement. "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32.......Because God has been so merciful to us and mindful of our needs, we could never repay Him, so the least we can do, is to give to one another in His Name!........How much I owe for love divine, How much I owe, since Christ is mine. And what HE IS to me I know, I cannot tell How much I OWE! Have a Blessed Day!
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2005-11-29 06:33:41
God looks beyond our Faults, and sees our Needs!
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2005-11-29 09:04:39
Girl we don't want to hear nothing about yourfriend BIG O STANK CAUSE WE ALLREADY KNOW SHE IS NOT HIS WIFE SENT BY GOD SO KEEP DREAMING AND STOP THE MADNESS,YOU JUST SEEM TO WANT TO GET SOME ATTENTION TO THIS. TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE PRAYED FOR THIS MAN OF GOD FOR HIM TO SEND SOMETHING LIKE THAT .,,BEGONE
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wisdom
2005-11-29 09:25:28
Good to hear from you SOUL WRITER! Don't be a stranger, we need you too!!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-29 09:41:53
Today, I truly hope someone is lifted and not hurt by the things we say about them! God Bless everyone!
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Mother Shepard
2005-11-29 10:06:44
The Bishop is in his Season.Pray for him and The Bishop's New wife,weknow the the prayers of the righteous availeth much and God only prvides for his BEST his Best. Lift Him up
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SOUL WRITER
2005-11-29 12:18:00
Hi Wisdom. Thanks and I'll check back with you all from time to time.
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2005-11-29 14:53:09
CRAZY LADIES DON'T THINK THAT YOU WILL BE AWARE OF WHO OR WHEN THE BISHOP WILL MARRY WUTIL AFTER THE CEREMONY,HE'S NOT A NOVICE SO BE SURE WHEN YOU NUTS MEET HER THEY WILL BE MARRIED.. AND THEN YOU CAN ALL RELAX AND JUST WATCH OPRAH. HE HAS SECURITY FOR A REASON.
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Christian
2005-11-29 15:32:53
S/S thank you for the apology. Of course I forgive you. Would you consider also apologizing to Mr. LA? (Mr. LA if she does please accept it so we can all start all over and move on from the unpleasantness)
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2005-11-29 17:29:52
Life is so much sweeter when the heart is tender and not tainted. - INTOUCH
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Stephanie
2005-11-29 19:18:25
There is really LOVE in this room and don't let anyone tell us differently. Pray for the Bishop so he will continue to save souls as he was annioted to do. We will all know when GOD sents his WIFE and it will be all Good. I send love and many blessing to each and everyone of you, In Jesus name!
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2005-11-29 21:57:01
Did anyone see Star Jones, Courtney Vance and "Salt" from Salt and Pepper on TBN? Star Jones has a new book out called "Shine" A Physical, Emotional, and Spiritual Journey to Finding Love. AR Bernard was the host...I just love him. He's another ANOINTED man of God, very intellectual and will make you THINK! He's in New York. Courtney Vance accepted the Lord into his life right before filming "The Preacher's Wife". Cheryl (Salt) said that coming to his church she experienced LOVE and that the congregation allowed her to go through what she needed to go there to change. if you get a chance buy his message on "The Art of Asking and The Law of Ability" AWESOME!!!!!
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wisdom
2005-11-30 05:05:02
I missed it, but you can view it again on the TBN website, so hopefully I can catch it today.
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2005-11-30 15:03:53
Subject: FW: People Who Sit in the Front Row of Your Life. . . . Shortand good read... Everyone Can't Be in Your Front Row... Life is a theater - invite your audience carefully. Not everyone is holy enough and healthy enough to have a front row seat in our lives. There are some people in your life that need to be loved from a distance. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you let go, or at least minimize your time with draining, negative, incompatible, not-going-anywhere relationships, friendships, fellowships! Observe the relationships around you. Pay attention to: which ones lift and which ones lean? Which ones encourage and which ones discourage? Which ones are on a path of growth up hill and which ones are going down hill? When you leave certain people, do you feel better or feel worse? Which ones always have drama or don't really understand, know and appreciate you and the gift that lies within you? The more you seek God and the things of God-the more you seek quality, the more you seek not just the hand of God but the face of God, the more you seek things honorable-the more you seek growth, peace of mind, love and truth around you, the easier it will become for you to decide who gets to sit in the FRONT ROW and who should be moved to the balcony of your life. You cannot change the people around you...but you can change the people you are around! Ask God for wisdom and discernment and choose wisely the people who sit in the front row of your life. Positive Thinking Leads To Peaceful Living
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2005-11-30 16:23:46
Kirk Franklin did a wonderful after show staing the advice T.d Jakes gave to him and other minister's about cheating on their spouse ,,, he said it's not even a thoyght for him. because God gaave him a wonderful smart understanding mate and there is nothing any woman can offer him that would cause him to put his wife his Church his family and reputation on line and he makes it plan to women . Kirk says he listen and follows T.D JAKES advice and honors his wife ,he said I fear if I don';t God would punish me in a Bad way so it's not somethig I even think about doing
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2005-11-30 18:30:27
I think Kirk Franklin on Oprah was very honest, He said before he married hee was a ho .. and God sent him a Good Christian woman, and he had to admit to her his fault for looking at prono..and ahe said let's prayy and preachers that he talkede to for counseling said it would away ,he called himself a hypocrite because he was tearing up churches with his praise yet reading prono but God delivered him.. whatever your problems that you are battling talk them over with your spoues,,his wife tol she was not going to have this mess in their marriage ,,so strong womem and prayers changre things .be hoest always.talk talk tal no secrets..they destroy
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wisdom
2005-11-30 20:02:30
I guess so Christian, cause I didn't have a clue!!LOL
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DWCOM
2005-11-30 20:31:40
I missed Kirk, but I will read the transcript online. Over the past year, his ministry has gone up another level in God! It takes a lot to put your business out there in order to help other people. I must commend Kirk Franklin for his willingness to share his testimony. Girl, yep Courtney is married Angela. He was so excited!!! They both attend Bishop Blake's church in LA. He probably attends AR Bernard's church while he's filming the television series. I have never been disappointed in listening to a message by God through Pastor AR Bernard. Sometimes he has a dry sense of humor, but always has the Word for you!!!! The two decisions alone determining your destiny?? Marriage is the closest thing to heaven or hell for that matter. Those of us who aren't married be careful in your selection. Make sure you have the peace of God before you say I do!!!!
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DWCOM
2005-11-30 21:00:00
On TBN TONIGHT!!!!!Kirk & Tammy Franklin host Jamal Harrison Bryant, Bishop Joseph Walker, Da Truth, John Gray, Myron Butler & Levi, Tamela Mann, Fred Hammond, Dorinda Clark-Cole and the Kirk Franklin Singers in Dallas, TX.
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2005-12-01 05:27:03
Solving problems should begin with seeking the Lord before there is a crisis. In times of peace, we will experience the joy and contentedness that comes from worshiping God, reading His Word, and communicating with Him. When we set our hearts toward the Lord, our faith is strengthened, and we develop godly habits that sustain us through trials. We will awaken each morning, thinking about God and talking to Him. We will ask God throughout the day about His plans for us and will act accordingly. Prayer will become our customary response. Then, whenever we face any kind of problem, our first thought will be “Father.” In that one word, we acknowledge our relationship with Him, our awareness of His presence, and our dependence upon Him. God loves to hear His name on our lips, and He promises to respond to the prayer that follows. - INTOUCH
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2005-12-01 08:10:42
In Bible Study last night The Bishop mention an ex- girl friend that loved him to death but he didn't marry her because she was a snake. any opinion as to the meaning.and I wondered what his feelings were since it takes two. he seem to be struggling with somethng ast night ,he was not focused.
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2005-12-01 09:19:12
The Question you asked about is Ex-grlfriend shows that The Bishop has a problem with trust and the mention of hs ex anything is evident that he's still dealing with the past , until he ets go of past problems he will repet it or just not go toward ,everyday is a new day every person is a new person. Pray for him That God wil open all door that need to be opened and close all doors that need to be closed, LIFT UP THE BISHOP IN PRAYER!!!!!
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 09:42:13
What's in a person that attracts a certain type of person? If the husband is insecure, you can bet the wife is even more insecure than he is. I said this a while back....in God, "you have to BE THE ONE to GET the ONE"!
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 09:44:27
Christian, did you go to Bishop Noel Jones church last night? Did you hear the same thing? If so, how did he use the example and what point was he making?
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2005-12-01 09:46:21
Now just because the woman was a snake, doesn't mean he has trust issues! If he couldn't trust her, then what? Just pretend the deception doesn't exist? Now you know we can't trust every body! You know I think the Bishop needs some friends he can talk too! He reveal too much of his business to strangers! LOL Now, I know he uses his life experiences for examples but, perhaps some stuff should be left unsaid?..What do you all think?
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2005-12-01 10:08:36
He has really bad judgment if he let a snake get close enough to him to fall in love with him. Discernment?
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wisdom
2005-12-01 10:50:47
I disagree! It happened to me. You can't control how a person feels about YOU, or grows to love you. Its not that you aren't discerning, you may spend time with the individual so you can get to know them. In the process, they begin to love you, and you may even love them, but after awhile you start to see where they are sneaky and deceitful! And sometimes because they are sneaky and deceiful, they don't really trust YOU either!
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 10:55:32
Wisdom, said with much authority!!! LOL!
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minster\'s wife
2005-12-01 10:59:50
Good point's ,The Bishop does need someone to talk and he should start with the lady in his life. after listening to Kirk Franklin wo soght counsel from another minister ,I'm not sure that another minister could help especially another Superstar Preacher,they sometimes put each other on Pedestals. Kirk Franklin and his wife worked out their own prolems .they may have had some professional help but they did not say, Maybe The Bishop coud seek hep in another Town under an Alias. I agree if she got close enough to fall in LOVE with him an he did not see some signs then he's remised. sometimes when t are fighting a certain thing or have FEARS we create reason not to committ. Ministers have insercurities too!!! I still think couples should talk and put all expectations and insercurities on The Line.. Kirk Wife is AGOD SENT !!! she's in his corner 100% and together they are committed to battling their problems.. It sounds like The Bishop needs much Prayer and God has Much SUPERNATURAL POWER to help him overcome.. he and his future wife has a work to do.. he needs to submitt to God and let go because in the human eye he's making decision that are not of God... Continue to Pray for him but he hs a preconcieved idea of what his next chapter will be likewhat she looks like , where she lives , how she loves him. how much money she has . and that may not be in accordance with God he needs to let go ! Strangely a lot of sucessful men are insercure and when they feel inadequate or maybe they cant impress you enough then they withdraw... but remember God is in control and he did promised to supply our NEEDS not our Wants.. Lift Him Up in Prayer !
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2005-12-01 11:01:46
What happened to you and Bishop Jones wasn't love. Love is not a snake.
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wisdom
2005-12-01 11:06:31
Just because you're sneaky, doesn't mean you can't love. You are still capable of loving, even with character flaws. Case in point, we all should love Jesus, and most of us do....but we got issues too!!! Doesn't mean its not love, just love with mixed with drama!!!LOL
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wisdom
2005-12-01 11:09:57
You know I think, certain personality traits don't show up until certain situations arise....Am I wrong for thinking this??
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 11:23:14
No, love isn't a snake, but you sure can love some people with snakest ways and or manipulative ways. You can't help who falls in love with you. However, you can help who you fall in love with. LOL!
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 11:25:42
Is there a difference between being a snake and being manipulative? Can you have one without the other?
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wisdom
2005-12-01 11:41:07
Okay, DWCOM, you feel me!! to me a snake is deceptive, a manipulator is controlling! I think you can one without the other.
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wisdom
2005-12-01 12:04:58
When people get divorced, does it mean that one party, or both were not "discerning" enough in the beginning?? Is this why divorce happens??
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 12:10:33
Wisdom, I don't think you can be deceptive without being being controlling. I think it's a very fine line that one exist without the other.
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2005-12-01 12:14:58
I was a Bilbe study last nite,he was ittle off but most of the men were in to him.he said his sister was in town and she called him and left her cell phone number ,he said he refused to call her back and spend the money calling London when she was here ,,,, sometimes it's just a normal number to leave or she may have been ay a place where she could not give out the parties number or if she was in hotel maybe she was moving around and wanted to make sure he did not miss her..He seems to be set in his ways an it may be best that he stays alone
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wisdom
2005-12-01 12:15:48
Well DWCOM, you may be right. There are some people that "deceive" in order to "manipulate" and "control" you. LOL
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wisdom
2005-12-01 12:27:37
Am I misunderstanding?? He was making an issue out of calling her cell phone that is London based? What was wrong with just making one call and then asking her where she was staying?
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 12:53:49
LOL! I'm not following. Please put it all together for me. What does the incident with his sister and his ex girlfriend being a snake go together? What was the topic of the sermon? When he give examples they do coincide with his sermon. You are not clear and it's painting a wrong image him and the whole sermon.
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2005-12-01 13:08:06
There was no serman last nigt,, he skipped around, he refused to call her on a cell phone that had a London number,while she was in Beverly Hills,he refused to pay the money,,I think it was because he thought ,she was intentionally not letting him no where exactly she was.. it's all about control .. HE does not trust .I think maybe someone gave him a reason.I think that in odrer to protect his Church purity. TheBishop has been dating some women unsaved outside of the Church and he no longer trust women .because of his choices ,he is a wonderful man but I think he and other ministers are misled ,, and these people are counseling others.. You can't find a christian woman if you're looking in the wrong places.. I'll eep praying for him because he does a lot of good and ny family has been blessed by his ministries
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 13:21:33
I find it hard to believe that he just rant, raved and skipped around all night knowing that people came to hear a Word from the Lord. I'm not saying that it isn't possible. He gets off track, but he pulls everything in together at the end. I'll have to call the ministry and request the CD because it isn't making any sense. I don't blame him, I wouldn't have spent the money to call her back in London when she was right there in Beverly Hills. It's crazy, even does have the money. At least this shows me he is a good steward over what God has given him. Since you put somethings out there, I would like to ask some questions. 1. What do you mean protect his Church purity? 2. How do you know he has been dating unsaved women? 3. What is your whole point? To let us know he's dating women who aren't saved? Just curious.
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2005-12-01 13:57:58
No I don't know who he dates, but I know that he has a problem trusting and I would hate to beliece that these types of women all come from the Church. I said purity as not to taint the Church ,if he was dating at the Church surey so Cat fights would have broken out by now,, He needs A lot of Prayer ihat's my whole point. My whole family wants to see him blessed and happy no negative intent at all we hold him in the highest esteem.but he still needs prayer,, we all do / Don't try and make a mountain out of a mole hill,
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 14:09:39
Not doing that, I just asked for clarity on somethings you mentioned that I didn't understand and still don't understand. I'll just let it go. Love Ya!
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MOTHER SHEPARD
2005-12-01 15:06:39
PRAY FOR THE BISHOP ,HE H A GREAT WORK TO DO TO HIS WIFE IS CONNECTED YO HIS PURPOSE,GOD IS TOO GREAT TO MAKE A MISTAKE , WHEN THE TIME IS RGHT ,GOD WILLPRESENT HER TO HIM AND HE WILL KNOW,IN THE MEANTIME PRAY FOR THEM.
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2005-12-01 15:34:03
The reason Bishop has difficulty committing in these relationships is because he knows it is not the will of God. God knows how to trouble your spirit to get you back on track where He wants you. I'll say it again, the Bishop is desirous of companionship, but not necessarily a wife right now. In his heart, he knows the type of woman he disires.
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Christian
2005-12-01 15:43:59
We have prayed and continue to pray for Bishop Jones but he has free will. He can only make changes in his life if he wants to. Maybe once he gets miserable enough, he'll make the changes. I cannot imagine letting a snake fall in love with me. I wasn't there last night. Did he say he was in love with the snake? If so, that's very troubling.
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2005-12-01 16:16:03
Our prayers for the Bishop should be for wisdom, strength, and direction. God knows that he is in need of a helpmate. God knows that it is not good for man to be alone. Bishop has God given friends to confide in. Bishop Jakes is a very good friend to Bishop Jones and vice versa. What he probably needs more than anything else right now is REST. To get away from it all for a few weeks.
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2005-12-01 16:55:16
It's obvious it's a weakness of his.
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DWCOM
2005-12-01 17:23:55
The thing with his sister sounds very much that brother and sister stuff. I don't make too much out of that.
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2005-12-01 18:02:44
Grace is in Beverly Hills partying with friends. Bishop has more important things to do besides trying to track his sister anywhere she might be in town. Grace is WILD!!!
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Christian
2005-12-01 18:17:21
He is not being caution if he fell in love with a snake.
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2005-12-01 18:30:13
AMEN ! Christian ..I think he's greedy and enjoy the candy sore like atmosphere,,, so maybe he will grow old alone and since he hs a certain amount of free-will that may be how he wants it.,maybe he should get out and party a little
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Christian
2005-12-01 18:38:07
Marriage isn't for everyone. I am beginning to think Bishop Jones is just not suited to married life, which is fine. There is nothing wrong with him remaining single. Based on what we know of his track record, he should just remain celibate and single.
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2005-12-01 18:51:45
Someone said the "snake" fell in love with him. He broke it off didn't he? He didn't marry the "snake". Bishop likes his freedom.
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2005-12-01 19:13:42
IF he likes his freedom then he should Stop the Madness!!! Stop praying and aking for Prayer for him a wife ...I hear he had the mothers in the church surround him yesterday in a circle for pray concerning him finding a mate, which tears down the rumor that he's engaged.
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minister\'s wife
2005-12-01 19:51:33
I agree if The Bishop likes his Freedom then it's unfair to have people continue to lift him up in prayer for his mate. But I know God has a plan for his life that includes his mate and if God said it so it is,,, I keep saying The winds and the waves obey God's will and so will Bishop Jones when God is ready for him too,,
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2005-12-01 20:02:23
There are seers (prophets) in the kingdom. My perception is that the Bishop is not and was not recently engaged.
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2005-12-01 20:09:21
It's good to know that others are in agreement. Praise the Lord!! The Lord has a way in the windstorm. Amen
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2005-12-01 20:34:27
Bishop Jones has charisma and he knows how to work it. He is just gifted that way, but I hope this doesn't cause him to be lifted up in himself. Naturally, he attracts women in the church because of that and he does have a flare about himself. He is somewhat of a ladies man. I don't at all mean that in a negative way.
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Christian
2005-12-02 01:52:29
I don't believe he had the church mothers praying for a wife for him yesterday. Maybe they got together on their own and did it, but I don't believe he would have had them form a circle to do it. That doesn't sound like something he would do.
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2005-12-02 05:19:42
It does sound like the truth to me either about the church mothers praying for a wife in a circle for the Bishop. It doesn't sound like something he would do.
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2005-12-02 07:00:07
THE Prayer cirle was not exclusive to him receiving his mate the it has a lot to do with his health .IT DID happen!!! . Isiah said I will trust .I will not be afraid
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2005-12-02 08:32:59
Here we go again....
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2005-12-02 09:33:23
A follower I'v thought about some of the things too ,I think if we follow his life and teaching none of us will ever marry or date his views are definetely negative on the subject ,and he does guy talk about women istead of to love and cherish, he says things like you better watch em brothers , they come on like they want to know you but what they really want is to destroy. now I heard him say that ,what kind of message is that to send out.heis angry..and whoever said here we go again ,I think we should always go there.. when we look at testimonies like kirk who's been faking for or pimpingjesus..until we reconize and air The Church will continue to suffer/
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wisdom
2005-12-02 09:55:46
And you know the more I think about it, someone said that the Bishop said he is "devious". Well, you know we usually attract people that are similiar to "ourselves". So if you want someone holy, sanctified, pure-hearted, righteous, that doesn't play games, then you better become the same thing!!! I'm beginning to understand what DWCOM has been saying all along. "You gotta be the right one, in order to get the right one".........Now I'm telling the truth, cause that what God's love!!! Whether it be the Bishop or any of us. We better be holy and righteous so we can somebody holy and righteous!! Because God is not going to let you play games with His little ones. They are too precious and special in His sight!!! Clean up your life, before you try to add somebody to it!!!
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2005-12-02 10:02:05
I'm A MAN!!!! ALL MAN but he sends us The BEWARE signal You are what you attract
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2005-12-02 10:05:42
what??? Who sends that signal God or the Bishop??? You were not clear??
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DWCOM
2005-12-02 10:06:49
In referece to the gentleman who responded, I agree. Ladies this goes back to YOU'VE GOT TO BE THE ONE TO GET THE ONE! LOL! LOL! LOL!
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wisdom
2005-12-02 10:25:29
Okay, maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded like they were saying that the Bishop has become leary and kinda negative of women, because of past experiences! is this what they were saying??
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Christian
2005-12-02 10:41:38
Bishop Jones' comments on marriage are very negative. After sitting under him, I have become anti-marriage (read my previous posts). He describes marriage as being "trapped" and "locked in"....who wants that?
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wisdom
2005-12-02 10:45:16
DWCOM, I understand, I agree with you. Just because two people love the Lord doesn't mean they are a "match" for each other. But however, some are making it sound like, the Bishop has been so "scarred", that even if somebody good came along, he would be too suspicious to even get to know them, based on his past experiences!!!
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wisdom
2005-12-02 10:48:21
Christian, Its okay to be trapped and locked in with the right person!! LOL
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Christian
2005-12-02 10:55:06
Yes Wisdom, but like you just said, he is so scared, he won't even let the right one in. I think he believes that women only want him for his money and status. He doesn't think anyone can truly love him. He's wrong, but as long as he looks at women as only out to get his stuff, he will be alone.
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DWCOM
2005-12-02 10:56:26
You are trapped and you are locked in with the person you are married to. It's a coveant, the bible says it. I know quite a few people who don't have good marriages. I know quite a few people who are divorced and had bitter divorces, but none of that is stopping me. However, I look at and have taken heed at the mistakes they've made along with what I know the BIBLE says about marriage. Correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds like you are saying that you made a quality decision to become anti-marriage after sitting under him?? I submit to you, the quality decision to become anti-marriage was already there and really had nothing do with Bishop Noel Jones comments on it. If this was the case, two out of three of his children wouldn't be married would they?
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wisdom
2005-12-02 11:02:47
Sisters got money too!!! He can get somebody that doesn't want his money!!! Gone get married and get a prenup if thats the hold up!!! LOL LOL LOL Does he have low self esteem??? Somebody might want him just for him!!! Is that hard to believe???
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Christian
2005-12-02 11:07:33
All three of his children were raised by their mother while he was on the road. He was not their example for marriage, thank goodness.
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DWCOM
2005-12-02 11:07:42
Wisdom, girl, you are something else! LOL! LOL! I know that's right I feel you though! LOL! LOL! LOL!
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Christian
2005-12-02 11:10:49
DWCOM, yes I was probably leaning against marriage, he just helped me confirm that, like him, I don't want to be "trapped" or locked in". Like I said, he should just remain single. He would make his second wife as miserable as he made the first one.
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DWCOM
2005-12-02 11:11:48
He had to be talking something to them because they all were out there prior to getting married. That says a lot!
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wisdom
2005-12-02 11:24:16
In marriage you are trapped and locked in. But its just like anything else in life. You may have obligations but you also enjoy the benefits and rewards!!! Just like a 9 to 5. You may have to be there all day five days a week, but you enjoy your salary and benefits!!!! So to me, marriage is trapped, with benefits!!! LOL Y'all make it sound like, he thinks marriage is being "held hostage"!!! LOL
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DWCOM
2005-12-02 12:01:46
Christian, LOL! Well, I wasn't in their marriage so I don't know who made who miserable. It could have been they both made each other miserable. At any rate, I think because I have been single and independent for quite sometime, that I would be difficult to live with for a man who feels that he needs his wife everywhere he is. I wouldn't work with me. I need air to breathe. LOL!
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wisdom
2005-12-02 12:12:36
I agree DWCOM, I told someone one time that I didn't want them to "smother me" and there response was "why not"!!! LOL so that is an issue to be discussed before marriage. Because once you're use to being independent, its kinda hard to make the transition.
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2005-12-02 13:25:03
DWCOM he also tells women in Bible Study not to talk to men who make less money or don ot drive a car as good as theirs.. he says 'Brother what makes you think that a sister in an Expense car wants you ; I tell she does not, Well my female doctor is married to a man that when she met him he was waiting tables had a eating.. They met at church EASt coast La.is strange . they dated and married hehas since gone back to school and makes her very happy and she does the same for him.10 years into it... Nobody especially Black people are trying to look down on each other, just give love a chance Look at what Dr. George Washington Carver did with the peanut, I think that the advice that he gave to his son was horrtible !!! He was saying stay single and let's go in and o party, forget the Christian women waiting to be your wife and make you Happy ..ONce again I've spent a lot of Money and I want to have a good time.. why not say son this a special day for you we have prayed ,continue to pray and I know that God will see you and you fiancee tthrough whatever comes up,,, yes he is anti romance and marriage and it can influence people who are considering a future together ,, he does not stick to general he always personalize things
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2005-12-02 13:35:38
I think the message he's trying to send to women about not talking to men